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The slumdogs of New York
Bruce wrote:
Val Hallah wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089243/Slumdogs-New-York-The-remarkable-images-capturing-immigrant-families-unrecognisable-19th-century-New-York.html If you want America to look like this again ... "America" didn't look like that then. Only the poorest parts of some large cities did. And by the way most of those immigrants were damn glad to be here instead of back in their hometowns in Europe. In a generation or two with hard work and enterprise they were much better off than if they'd stayed on the other side of the pond. Note, Bruce, that a couple of readers in England said the pictures look a lot like LONDON in the same period. VOTE REPUBLICAN! ;-) It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, and it's our DEMOCRAT president who is driving us ever deeper in debt -- he's now demanding ANOTHER $1.2 TRILLION, and we are already so far over our heads in debt we will never be able to pay it except by printing more dollars, making them more worthless than they have are already. Would Republicans be "better"? Yes, in the sense that emphysema is better than lung cancer. Again: that's democracy for you. As soon as the people learn they can vote themselves the treasury, what follows is inevitable. |
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The slumdogs of New York
Ray Fischer wrote:
Neil Harrington wrote: It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, A bald-faced lie. It's the harsh truth, and all the Democrats' truckloads of bull**** cannot cover it over. DEMOCRAT Jimmy Carter (arguably our most inept president) gave us the Community Reinvestment Act, and DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton greatly expanded that (the law had been mostly ignored from 1977) to start coercing banks and other lending institutions to give mortgages to millions of poor people, especially minorities, who would never be able to make the payments on them. Even people on welfare with no other source of legitimate income were given loans to buy houses, often with no down payment at all. These were the so-called NINJA loans (no income, no job or assets). Predictably, this started the great housing boom and skyrocketing prices. As long as prices kept rising no one cared much if borrowers defaulted on their loans, since a house foreclosed on could always be resold at a still higher price. George W. Bush warned about the risks of this situation his first year in office, and John McCain along with several other senators (but NO DEMOCRATS) tried to get better regulation of these high-risk lending practices in 2003. They were blocked by the DEMOCRATS in Congress, especially Chris Dodd and Barney Frank (both of whom have now decided this is a good year to retire from Congress), who insisted there was nothing to worry about and Republicans were (in Frank's words) "making a mountain out of a molehill." Frank kept repeating that everything was fine, nothing to worry about -- Then the housing bubble burst, starting about 2006, and it all started to come apart. By 2007-08 the "subprime lending crisis" was in full swing. Because of the way so much of this bad debt had been repackaged and sold to investors everywhere, the damage was by no means limited to the housing market but had spread to every part of the economy. Banks began to fail. The largest ("too big to fail") lending institutions were theatened with failure and one of them, Lehman Bros., did fail. Others had to be saved by massive government bailouts. Jobs were lost by the thousands and finally by the millions. There is a domino effect: as fewer people are employed, spending is reduced and therefore businesses are badly hurt, leading to more people losing their jobs. The important thing to remember is that it all started with the massive amounts of high-risk subprime lending. ALL of it. If not for that, we would not be in the mess we are now, with actual unemployment about 18-20% (the official current figure of 8.5% is known to grossly understate the case, as it does not include the millions who have used up all their unemployment benefits and/or given up looking for work). |
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The slumdogs of New York
Neil Harrington wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, A bald-faced lie. It's the harsh truth, You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and left America in the worst recession in 80 years. Those are objective, irrefutable facts, fascist turd. -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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On 1/22/12 3:00 PM, in article , "Ray Fischer" wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: Ray Fischer wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, A bald-faced lie. It's the harsh truth, You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. As did you, FishHead Rot. That wasn't 'evidence', btw, just heresay. From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and left America in the worst recession in 80 years. So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of that time, you friggin' nutjob?!? Those are objective, irrefutable facts, fascist turd. "Bull****" is your middle name, FishRot. DEM's de facts! |
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The slumdogs of New York
George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: Ray Fischer wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, A bald-faced lie. It's the harsh truth, You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. As did you, None that you actually can show, fascist rightard. From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and left America in the worst recession in 80 years. So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of that time, Since you're a stupid rightard, you don't know how to find the facts by yourself, so here you go: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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On 1/22/12 5:16 PM, in article , "Ray Fischer" wrote: George Kerby wrote: "Ray Fischer" wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: Ray Fischer wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, A bald-faced lie. It's the harsh truth, You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. As did you, None that you actually can show, fascist rightard. From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and left America in the worst recession in 80 years. So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of that time, Since you're a stupid rightard, you don't know how to find the facts by yourself, so here you go: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm Answer my OUESTION, idiot. That URL did absolutely nothing. Much like your inability to address ther Atomic Clock issue: You got NOTHIN' FishRot! Try again, meathead... |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:34:37 -0600, George Kerby
wrote: : : : : On 1/22/12 5:16 PM, in article , "Ray : Fischer" wrote: : : George Kerby wrote: : "Ray Fischer" wrote: : Neil Harrington wrote: : Ray Fischer wrote: : Neil Harrington wrote: : It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS : who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the : rest of the world) are in today, : : A bald-faced lie. : : It's the harsh truth, : : You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all : of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. : : As did you, : : None that you actually can show, fascist rightard. : : From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED : the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and : left America in the worst recession in 80 years. : : So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of : that time, : : Since you're a stupid rightard, you don't know how to find the facts : by yourself, so here you go: : http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm : : Answer my OUESTION, idiot. That URL did absolutely nothing. : : Much like your inability to address ther Atomic Clock issue: You got NOTHIN' : FishRot! : : Try again, meathead... Can't you two ever conduct your "arguments" with at least a trace of civility or wit? The same puerile insults, endlessly repeated, are pretty monotonous. Or are the two of you actually just one person, reflexively trolling for attention every time a thread mentions U.S. politics? Bob |
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George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote: George Kerby wrote: "Ray Fischer" wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: Ray Fischer wrote: Neil Harrington wrote: It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the rest of the world) are in today, A bald-faced lie. It's the harsh truth, You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. As did you, None that you actually can show, fascist rightard. But fascist kerby never let's the truth get in the way of his hate. From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and left America in the worst recession in 80 years. So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of that time, Since you're a stupid rightard, you don't know how to find the facts by yourself, so here you go: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm Answer my OUESTION, Run along, rightard. You can't cope with the truth so you do your best to change the subject and obfuscate. Bigots like you always find some excuse to lie. -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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The slumdogs of New York
Robert Coe wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:34:37 -0600, George Kerby wrote: : : : : On 1/22/12 5:16 PM, in article , "Ray : Fischer" wrote: : : George Kerby wrote: : "Ray Fischer" wrote: : Neil Harrington wrote: : Ray Fischer wrote: : Neil Harrington wrote: : It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS : who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the : rest of the world) are in today, : : A bald-faced lie. : : It's the harsh truth, : : You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all : of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. : : As did you, : : None that you actually can show, fascist rightard. : : From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED : the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and : left America in the worst recession in 80 years. : : So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of : that time, : : Since you're a stupid rightard, you don't know how to find the facts : by yourself, so here you go: : http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm : : Answer my OUESTION, idiot. That URL did absolutely nothing. : : Much like your inability to address ther Atomic Clock issue: You got NOTHIN' : FishRot! : : Try again, meathead... Can't you two ever conduct your "arguments" with at least a trace of civility or wit? I am tired of right-wing bigots lying their asses off in order to justify fascism. Why aren't YOU offended at being lied to by the right wing? -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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On 1/22/2012 11:28 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:34:37 -0600, George wrote: : : : : On 1/22/12 5:16 PM, in article , "Ray : wrote: : : George wrote: : "Ray wrote: : Neil wrote: : Ray Fischer wrote: : Neil wrote: : It's one or the other; that's democracy for you. It's the DEMOCRATS : who are mostly responsible for the economic mess we (and part of the : rest of the world) are in today, : : A bald-faced lie. : : It's the harsh truth, : : You're a liar, fascist turd. And you know it because you omitted all : of the evidence I supplied showing that you're a liar. : : As did you, : : None that you actually can show, fascist rightard. : : From 2001 to 2009 the Republicans DOUBLED federal spending, DOUBLED : the national debt, created the biggest deficits in US history, and : left America in the worst recession in 80 years. : : So you're saying that Republicans controlled both houses during all of : that time, : : Since you're a stupid rightard, you don't know how to find the facts : by yourself, so here you go: : http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm : : Answer my OUESTION, idiot. That URL did absolutely nothing. : : Much like your inability to address ther Atomic Clock issue: You got NOTHIN' : FishRot! : : Try again, meathead... Can't you two ever conduct your "arguments" with at least a trace of civility or wit? The same puerile insults, endlessly repeated, are pretty monotonous. Or are the two of you actually just one person, reflexively trolling for attention every time a thread mentions U.S. politics? Bob You should be tolerant Bob. Linguistic ability is clearly limited in both cases. -- Peter |
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