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Old May 22nd 06, 09:29 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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bob crownfield wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
RW+/- wrote:


There is no fear and why you have some I'll not understand. They are
not an invited guest, they're interlopers who take and take, they
don't give back.


They are invited guest.. "Give me your tired, your poor, your
huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse
of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to
me"


right. and the procedure to coming legally is well documented.

since they come illegally, they are lawbreakers.

you are obviously a barking moonbat.


The current restrictive procedures do not seem to express the idea of
welcoming "poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The
wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest
tossed"

I suspect that if our laws followed the intent of those words, we would
not have this problem.

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Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


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Old May 22nd 06, 10:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
RW+/- wrote:
On Sat, 20 May 2006 01:40:00 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:

RW+/- wrote:
..

But they are not doing honest work,

In my experience they are doing honest work and more of it
than
many of the people complaining.


You are going to just love this, especially if you have kids who
ride
the school bus.

There is an interstate business run my an illegal who was a printer
in Mexico, he specializes in false identity cards, drivers
licenses,
etc. A multi-million dollar business run right under the feds
noses.

Here is the fun part.

The driver of your kids school bus may very well be one of these
illegal's using false ID. Have a very nice day.


I would guess that if a school bus driver does have a false ID,
it
is more likely to have been made by a US citizen.

Why do you want to paint all undocumented workers as people who
are
doing harm?

I don't know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember the
things that were said about non-whites in the 50s and 60s. It is
the
same kind of misinformation that I am seeing here. Take as little
truth and try to pass it on to all or THEM. Hitler did it to the
Jews. It is a very hateful trick. I am sorry if you have not seen
that before passing that kind of hate along.


Some folks were raised with hateful as a major component of the
atmosphere of their environment. They can't feel comfortable without
breathing and spewing it, and since they are not actually
unintelligent, they see the discrepancies between themselves and the
other 97% of the population. That cancels out some of the comfort, so
there is an urge to drag the rational majority into their misery.
Fortunately they are outnumbered and outgunned by wholesome,
reasonable people, and eventually either convert or stew in their own
rancid juice.

Among my numerous careers I've been able to associate with all kinds
of folks. I am pleased to report that among the thousands of
immigrants from Latin American origins I have met and worked with,
beside and on, distribution of character traits (criminality,
generosity, intelligence, dedication, hatefulness, ethicalness,
cheerfulness, grumpiness, industry, sloth, deviousness, genuineness,
and all others you may care to mention) is pretty much like you'll
encounter in any other population of humans.

So you can expect to see the Latino Two-Per-Centers popping up into
public view, just as you see the Merkin, Yurrupean, Oriental, and
African undesirables. The only essential differences are geographic,
not behavioral or physical.

It's true that some immigrants are illegal, and that they use
less-than-aboveboard means to pursue a better life than the one they
left (I know a guy who can put me in touch with the 'manufacturer' of
those illigitimate documents, including holograms; he's a legal
immigrant). But look again at the facilitators. My guess is they are
better classified as 2%ers before any other subset becomes
appropriate. Look at them that way. Crooks first, other descriptors
second, and immigration status or place of origin quite a bit lower on
the list.

A fact of contemporary life is that Latin American immigrants are
pushed from their home turf and pulled to the USofA by complex forces.
Control of those forces is less likely every day. It will take severe
and extensive reevaluation of what it means to be a 'citizen', what
the use and future of 'lawful' shall be, and for me, anyway, a serious
realignment of my thinking about how lawbreakers should be treated,
for the needs of all components to be met, or just compromises
achieved.

Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

--
Frank ess

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Old May 22nd 06, 11:29 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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l v wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
l v wrote:

Joseph Meehan wrote:

l v wrote:


...

As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming
to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear
anything that is different?

It's not Mexicans (or anyone else) coming here to work that's a
threat.
It's people coming here *ILLEGALLY* that's a threat.
Why can't you be honest, and admit that it's *ILLEGAL*
immigration that's being discussed?


...


Sure, but I never did so in a way that broke the law, although I
have broken the law as almost anyone has. So what is the real
problem? Why are those who come into the US illegally in order to
get a job more of a problem than someone who risks my life by
breaking the speed limit or who cares so little about the rest of
the world that they dump their trash on the city street?


It's not as simplistic as you are trying to make it. 5-10 mph over
the posted speed limit is not risking your life unless that speeder
is driving reckless. I suggest you have the passenger in your car
take a digital photo of that reckless driver (hey, just trying to
tie it to purpose of this news group somehow). What is a speed
limit anyway? Speed limits were set to a number to bring traffic
deaths to an acceptable number. Say you drive north of Columbus
Ohio into the state of Michigan, just because you crossed the state
line you can now drive 70 mph vs 65. What made you a better and
safer driver as you crossed the state line?




But lets go back to the words above:

"It's people coming here *ILLEGALLY* that's a threat. Why can't you
be honest, and admit that it's *ILLEGAL* immigration that's being
discussed?"


You are the one that started this discussion with comparing illegal
immigration to speeding and littering. I was simply following your
correlation between speeding and illegal immigration -- albeit, an
invalid one.


How about addressing the question you quote and ignore below?



I would agree that often the posted speed limit may not be the
fastest safe speed for that section of the road. You are appear
willing to suggest that speeding is different in what way? Speeding
is illegal and being an illegal immigrant is illegal. You want to
use the illegal tool for one and not the other?



"So what is the real problem?" you ask? I *hate* having 40% of my
pay going to people who do not have any right to my -- and your --
hard earned money. I *hate* paying more for services to make up
for the free services that illegal immigrants think they deserve. I
*hate* having laws passed for illegal immigrants lobbied by
illegal immigrants. They have no rights in this country but seem
to think they do. Become legal. It's too bad that the waiting list
is 18 years behind - so I'm told.



40% of your pay??? And that all goes to illegal immigrants, or
are you saying what? Does not much of that go to a little war we
started in Iraq and education of the children of US citizens and
prisons holding mostly US citizens and various services for US
citizens.
I think your not following the news close enough and I think you are
using the wrong news group for your education. How about you
illegally move into Mexico and see what rights you are entitled to.

I think this makes it pretty clear.
http://blahblahblog.wordpress.com/20...r-immigration/



Yea, now there is a real impartial source of unbiased news good
old Rush. I guess that explains a lot about your views.

You are making a big assumption.

Since I assume you are not native American, what nationalities
were your ancestors who came to this country and when did they come?

They came from Lithuania and Germany in the late 1800's and did so
legally.


Were they required to meet the same requirements and a Mexican coming
into the US today? Could they have meet those requirements?





Cheers





I hope you find the answers you are looking for as it is clear from
the other posts under this thread, you will not fully understand the
issues surrounding illegal immigration. Therefore I must end with
*plonk*


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


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Old May 23rd 06, 01:58 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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RW+/- wrote:
...

How fair is it to all those that immigrated responsibly taking 8 or
more years to go through the procedure, were medically inspected and
can actually speak and read English?


Why should it take eight or more years? Why should they be required to
speak and read English.


How do you like paying more for your house because of all the illegal
aliens?


Where did you come up with that hair brain idea? If anything they might
be reducing the cost of a new home.

BTW about 10 years ago they were finishing up the last few homes in my
development. The framing crew on a home near mine was Mexican. I could not
understand a word they spoke, but they did a far better job of framing than
the good old boys who put mine together. They also cleaned up each night
before they left and covered all decks with tarps to protect them from
possible rain.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


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Old June 2nd 06, 04:40 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , "Joseph Meehan" wrote:
bob crownfield wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
RW+/- wrote:


There is no fear and why you have some I'll not understand. They are
not an invited guest, they're interlopers who take and take, they
don't give back.

They are invited guest.. "Give me your tired, your poor, your
huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse
of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to
me"


right. and the procedure to coming legally is well documented.

since they come illegally, they are lawbreakers.

you are obviously a barking moonbat.


The current restrictive procedures do not seem to express the idea of
welcoming "poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The
wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest
tossed"

I suspect that if our laws followed the intent of those words, we would
not have this problem.

If the illegals would follow the intent of those words we wouldnt have a
problem. Have them go back home, get in the freakin end of the line and do it
legally. We are a nation of laws.
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Old June 2nd 06, 05:54 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:40:52 GMT, GMAN wrote:

The current restrictive procedures do not seem to express the idea of
welcoming "poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The
wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless,
tempest tossed"

I suspect that if our laws followed the intent of those words, we would
not have this problem.


If the illegals would follow the intent of those words we wouldnt
have a problem. Have them go back home, get in the freakin end of
the line and do it legally. We are a nation of laws.


Ja GMAN, we are a nation of laws, über alles.

 




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