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bob crownfield wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote: RW+/- wrote: There is no fear and why you have some I'll not understand. They are not an invited guest, they're interlopers who take and take, they don't give back. They are invited guest.. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me" right. and the procedure to coming legally is well documented. since they come illegally, they are lawbreakers. you are obviously a barking moonbat. The current restrictive procedures do not seem to express the idea of welcoming "poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed" I suspect that if our laws followed the intent of those words, we would not have this problem. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
RW+/- wrote: On Sat, 20 May 2006 01:40:00 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote: RW+/- wrote: .. But they are not doing honest work, In my experience they are doing honest work and more of it than many of the people complaining. You are going to just love this, especially if you have kids who ride the school bus. There is an interstate business run my an illegal who was a printer in Mexico, he specializes in false identity cards, drivers licenses, etc. A multi-million dollar business run right under the feds noses. Here is the fun part. The driver of your kids school bus may very well be one of these illegal's using false ID. Have a very nice day. I would guess that if a school bus driver does have a false ID, it is more likely to have been made by a US citizen. Why do you want to paint all undocumented workers as people who are doing harm? I don't know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember the things that were said about non-whites in the 50s and 60s. It is the same kind of misinformation that I am seeing here. Take as little truth and try to pass it on to all or THEM. Hitler did it to the Jews. It is a very hateful trick. I am sorry if you have not seen that before passing that kind of hate along. Some folks were raised with hateful as a major component of the atmosphere of their environment. They can't feel comfortable without breathing and spewing it, and since they are not actually unintelligent, they see the discrepancies between themselves and the other 97% of the population. That cancels out some of the comfort, so there is an urge to drag the rational majority into their misery. Fortunately they are outnumbered and outgunned by wholesome, reasonable people, and eventually either convert or stew in their own rancid juice. Among my numerous careers I've been able to associate with all kinds of folks. I am pleased to report that among the thousands of immigrants from Latin American origins I have met and worked with, beside and on, distribution of character traits (criminality, generosity, intelligence, dedication, hatefulness, ethicalness, cheerfulness, grumpiness, industry, sloth, deviousness, genuineness, and all others you may care to mention) is pretty much like you'll encounter in any other population of humans. So you can expect to see the Latino Two-Per-Centers popping up into public view, just as you see the Merkin, Yurrupean, Oriental, and African undesirables. The only essential differences are geographic, not behavioral or physical. It's true that some immigrants are illegal, and that they use less-than-aboveboard means to pursue a better life than the one they left (I know a guy who can put me in touch with the 'manufacturer' of those illigitimate documents, including holograms; he's a legal immigrant). But look again at the facilitators. My guess is they are better classified as 2%ers before any other subset becomes appropriate. Look at them that way. Crooks first, other descriptors second, and immigration status or place of origin quite a bit lower on the list. A fact of contemporary life is that Latin American immigrants are pushed from their home turf and pulled to the USofA by complex forces. Control of those forces is less likely every day. It will take severe and extensive reevaluation of what it means to be a 'citizen', what the use and future of 'lawful' shall be, and for me, anyway, a serious realignment of my thinking about how lawbreakers should be treated, for the needs of all components to be met, or just compromises achieved. Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy ride. -- Frank ess |
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l v wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote: l v wrote: Joseph Meehan wrote: l v wrote: ... As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear anything that is different? It's not Mexicans (or anyone else) coming here to work that's a threat. It's people coming here *ILLEGALLY* that's a threat. Why can't you be honest, and admit that it's *ILLEGAL* immigration that's being discussed? ... Sure, but I never did so in a way that broke the law, although I have broken the law as almost anyone has. So what is the real problem? Why are those who come into the US illegally in order to get a job more of a problem than someone who risks my life by breaking the speed limit or who cares so little about the rest of the world that they dump their trash on the city street? It's not as simplistic as you are trying to make it. 5-10 mph over the posted speed limit is not risking your life unless that speeder is driving reckless. I suggest you have the passenger in your car take a digital photo of that reckless driver (hey, just trying to tie it to purpose of this news group somehow). What is a speed limit anyway? Speed limits were set to a number to bring traffic deaths to an acceptable number. Say you drive north of Columbus Ohio into the state of Michigan, just because you crossed the state line you can now drive 70 mph vs 65. What made you a better and safer driver as you crossed the state line? But lets go back to the words above: "It's people coming here *ILLEGALLY* that's a threat. Why can't you be honest, and admit that it's *ILLEGAL* immigration that's being discussed?" You are the one that started this discussion with comparing illegal immigration to speeding and littering. I was simply following your correlation between speeding and illegal immigration -- albeit, an invalid one. How about addressing the question you quote and ignore below? I would agree that often the posted speed limit may not be the fastest safe speed for that section of the road. You are appear willing to suggest that speeding is different in what way? Speeding is illegal and being an illegal immigrant is illegal. You want to use the illegal tool for one and not the other? "So what is the real problem?" you ask? I *hate* having 40% of my pay going to people who do not have any right to my -- and your -- hard earned money. I *hate* paying more for services to make up for the free services that illegal immigrants think they deserve. I *hate* having laws passed for illegal immigrants lobbied by illegal immigrants. They have no rights in this country but seem to think they do. Become legal. It's too bad that the waiting list is 18 years behind - so I'm told. 40% of your pay??? And that all goes to illegal immigrants, or are you saying what? Does not much of that go to a little war we started in Iraq and education of the children of US citizens and prisons holding mostly US citizens and various services for US citizens. I think your not following the news close enough and I think you are using the wrong news group for your education. How about you illegally move into Mexico and see what rights you are entitled to. I think this makes it pretty clear. http://blahblahblog.wordpress.com/20...r-immigration/ Yea, now there is a real impartial source of unbiased news good old Rush. I guess that explains a lot about your views. You are making a big assumption. Since I assume you are not native American, what nationalities were your ancestors who came to this country and when did they come? They came from Lithuania and Germany in the late 1800's and did so legally. Were they required to meet the same requirements and a Mexican coming into the US today? Could they have meet those requirements? Cheers I hope you find the answers you are looking for as it is clear from the other posts under this thread, you will not fully understand the issues surrounding illegal immigration. Therefore I must end with *plonk* -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Cuz wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote: RW+/- wrote: On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote: wrote: Dear Fellow American, As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear anything that is different? To say something like this only shows you live in an area that you do not think is affected yet, even though you are paying more taxes today because of it. It has nothing to do with anything being different, it has everything to due with being illegal, or are you saying that laws are for fools? Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped a piece of paper on the sidewalk? Yes and I have paid the penalties for doing such just as 'lv' has and the illegal invaders should. Too bad you are so uninformed. Now would you build a fence around your city to prevent anyone who has committed such crimes from coming in? -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Ron Hunter wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote: wrote: Dear Fellow American, As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear anything that is different? Yes, they ARE a threat, mostly to the public (government) operation. When they come, they are legally entitled to services from many government agencies, such as county hospital, schools, and other government, and even private, agencies. This puts a strain on local economies. Worse, the extremely porous border means that some people who don't want to work, but to infiltrate the country, and work destruction can also come in without control. If you think 12 million extra people, mostly in the lower end of the economy is not harmful, I suggest you travel to any border community along the California, Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas borders with Mexico, and observe. While you are at it, check out the schools, and their performance relative to those 1000 miles from the border, and compare things like cost/student, dropout rates, and attendance figures. Yes, it IS a problem! Yes, it IS a threat to the security of the US. How is it a treat to the security of the US? -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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RW+/- wrote:
... How fair is it to all those that immigrated responsibly taking 8 or more years to go through the procedure, were medically inspected and can actually speak and read English? Why should it take eight or more years? Why should they be required to speak and read English. How do you like paying more for your house because of all the illegal aliens? Where did you come up with that hair brain idea? If anything they might be reducing the cost of a new home. BTW about 10 years ago they were finishing up the last few homes in my development. The framing crew on a home near mine was Mexican. I could not understand a word they spoke, but they did a far better job of framing than the good old boys who put mine together. They also cleaned up each night before they left and covered all decks with tarps to protect them from possible rain. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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In article , "Joseph Meehan" wrote:
bob crownfield wrote: Joseph Meehan wrote: RW+/- wrote: There is no fear and why you have some I'll not understand. They are not an invited guest, they're interlopers who take and take, they don't give back. They are invited guest.. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me" right. and the procedure to coming legally is well documented. since they come illegally, they are lawbreakers. you are obviously a barking moonbat. The current restrictive procedures do not seem to express the idea of welcoming "poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed" I suspect that if our laws followed the intent of those words, we would not have this problem. If the illegals would follow the intent of those words we wouldnt have a problem. Have them go back home, get in the freakin end of the line and do it legally. We are a nation of laws. |
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:40:52 GMT, GMAN wrote:
The current restrictive procedures do not seem to express the idea of welcoming "poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed" I suspect that if our laws followed the intent of those words, we would not have this problem. If the illegals would follow the intent of those words we wouldnt have a problem. Have them go back home, get in the freakin end of the line and do it legally. We are a nation of laws. Ja GMAN, we are a nation of laws, über alles. |
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