All-in-One PCs

On 2016-01-31 11:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2016-01-30 23:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2016-01-30, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2016-01-30 11:31, Lewis wrote:

Sure. Dell installed a fraudulant root certificate that allowed them to
see everything you did on your machine, even the things you though were
protected by SSL.

And if you removed it, they put it back.

Next?

Cite (up to date mind you).

Pshhhh... Anyone who wasn't living under a rock remembers this well. Do
your own research.

What is the state now?

Irrelevant to the point that your beloved "general spec" doesn't cover
everything of value.

Ridiculous. If Dell and Lenovo have tidied up their act wrt to spyware,
then the value is as I've pointed out. Not to mention many other vendors.


--
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with ****ty luck."
..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

In article , nospam wrote:

Tony Cooper:
If the PC is purchased for $500, and sold for $1.00, the
loss is $499. If the Mac is purchased for $1,500, and sold
for $800, the loss is $700. You are not well ahead. The PC
cost has to be over $800 to be ahead at all.

nospam:
as for your bogus math, a $500 pc that is later sold for $1 has
lost 99.8% of its value, while a $1500 mac that is later sold
for $800 has lost only 46.7% of its value.

Tony Cooper:
Talk about bogus! I didn't do any math that was presented as a
percentage. I used dollars, and did so accurately.

what matters is the percentage. the person who spent $500 spent less
and lost more.

Is this seriously your claim? Your understanding of math and economy seems to
be on par with your understanding of graph scales.

In Tony's example, the PC owner is $499 out of pocket at the end of both
transactions. The Mac owner is $700 out of pocket at the same time.

$700 $499

Percentages have exactly nothing to do with it.

--
Sandman

On 2016-01-31 11:14, PeterN wrote:
On 1/31/2016 9:16 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

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Right ... so why are so many other connections not soldered? The sole
reason Apple do this is to reduce cost and possibly to reduce volume.


Not sure about that being the sole reason for soldering memory. Could
another reason be to make it difficult for a user to upgrade memory?

No. It's just part count reduction and in the case of laptops some
volume savings to help make the laptops thinner by some amount.

--
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with ****ty luck."
..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

On 2016-01-31 11:34, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Right ... so why are so many other connections not soldered? The sole
reason Apple do this is to reduce cost and possibly to reduce volume.


Not sure about that being the sole reason for soldering memory. Could
another reason be to make it difficult for a user to upgrade memory?

nonsense.

nobody sits around apple and says "lets make it difficult to upgrade".

the reality is that not that many users upgrade memory after purchase
and that soldering memory is more reliable and reduces cost (no need
for sockets or inserting memory).

Reliability is the least reason to do it. Otherwise they would do it on
the 21.5" iMac too (it has very difficult to access memory slots).

Further, if it were for reliability then they would solder a lot more
other connections as well.

It's cost reduction. Period.


--
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with ****ty luck."
..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

In article ,
Sandman wrote:

Tony Cooper:
If the PC is purchased for $500, and sold for $1.00, the
loss is $499. If the Mac is purchased for $1,500, and sold
for $800, the loss is $700. You are not well ahead. The PC
cost has to be over $800 to be ahead at all.

nospam:
as for your bogus math, a $500 pc that is later sold for $1 has
lost 99.8% of its value, while a $1500 mac that is later sold
for $800 has lost only 46.7% of its value.

Tony Cooper:
Talk about bogus! I didn't do any math that was presented as a
percentage. I used dollars, and did so accurately.

what matters is the percentage. the person who spent $500 spent less
and lost more.

Is this seriously your claim? Your understanding of math and economy seems to
be on par with your understanding of graph scales.

once you start with the insults, it's clear you have nothing to refute.

In Tony's example, the PC owner is $499 out of pocket at the end of both
transactions. The Mac owner is $700 out of pocket at the same time.

$700 $499

$1500 $500

Percentages have exactly nothing to do with it.

it has everything to do with it.

the pc lost almost all of its value while the mac lost roughly half its
value.

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

Right ... so why are so many other connections not soldered? The sole
reason Apple do this is to reduce cost and possibly to reduce volume.

Not sure about that being the sole reason for soldering memory. Could
another reason be to make it difficult for a user to upgrade memory?

No. It's just part count reduction

it's also reliability.

and in the case of laptops some
volume savings to help make the laptops thinner by some amount.

which is more desirable to users than socketed memory.

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:


Right ... so why are so many other connections not soldered? The sole
reason Apple do this is to reduce cost and possibly to reduce volume.


Not sure about that being the sole reason for soldering memory. Could
another reason be to make it difficult for a user to upgrade memory?

nonsense.

nobody sits around apple and says "lets make it difficult to upgrade".

the reality is that not that many users upgrade memory after purchase
and that soldering memory is more reliable and reduces cost (no need
for sockets or inserting memory).

Reliability is the least reason to do it.

nonsense. it's one of the main reasons.

Otherwise they would do it on
the 21.5" iMac too (it has very difficult to access memory slots).

maybe they will in the next revision.

Further, if it were for reliability then they would solder a lot more
other connections as well.

some don't need to be soldered, such as interconnects.

It's cost reduction. Period.

cost reduction is part of it, not all of it.

On 2016-01-31 18:59, Tony Cooper wrote:

Neither loses any value until it is sold. At that time, the value is
what you can get for it. What you paid for it is immaterial.

Having done the exercise, the most I ever got for a 5+ year old PC in
running condition was a WiFi router saving me from buying a new one
(call it $60 at the time).

For an iMac that I paid about $2200 for I got a little less than $1000
at a little under 6 years later.

That not quite $1000 went "to" the new iMac (which I had purchased about
1 or 2 months earlier).

As to value until it's sold, I agree that nobody knows the value of
something until someone else pays for it. Thing is Macs get pretty good
value at 5 years down the pike and PC machines do not.

--
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with ****ty luck."
..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

....

You just aren't smart enough to understand this.

another insult. it's all you do when shown to be wrong.

Don't be too smug about this, think of the usual absolute nothing you
do when shown to be wrong. Where does all this hubris and pride come
from?

--
dorayme

On 1/31/2016 4:36 PM, Your Name wrote:

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Unfortunately most people are incredibly stupid and fell for the "throw
away" mentality con-trick by manufacturers. That's why they do
unnecessarily buy a new computer every couple of years, and new car
every few years, a new mobile phone every other year, a new TV to get
the latest useless gimmick, etc. when the one they've got is still
perfectly fine.


Our main TV is a Sony XBR. It was a floor model I bought, I think in
1989. The CRT is starting to degrade, but is still usable. As for cars,
I have a 2006 station car. The other car gets replaced about every three
years. I like the features on the new cars, and am willing and able to
pay for them. Yes, it's a perceived need. So is going out for a lobster
or steak dinner. When my wife and I fly, we fly first class. I guess
that too puts me in the asshole category,
It is ridiculously judgmental for anyone, other than my wife to tell me
how to spend my money. I earned it, and how to enjoy it is non of
anyone's business. I do not preach my lifestyle to others, and will lash
back when others try to tell me how to live.

--
PeterN