It ain't just the RGB, though.

OK now that I've been taught a little about the terms I'll come clean
with our problem.

We use an LS-4000 ED for slides and film strips. I don't do the
scanning, I just try to keep the thing running.

For the past year the strip feeder has been "broken" so my wife, the
primary user, digitized all the slides we have. I just cleaned up the
strip film feeder so she could use it again. The feeder works fine
but either we are doing something dreadfully wrong with Nikon Scan 4,
the software is trashed or the aliens have landed, who knows?

Anyway whenever ANY of the RGB options (Nikon Color Management
enabled) other than "scanner RGB" is selected in Nikon Scan, the
preview and scan comes out looking like the negative, only worse. For
instance, sRGB paints everything a yucky shade of magenta and the
others run the permutations from horrible to Monsters Inc. with the
exception of Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) which hangs the preview
display when selected. The thumbnails are OK since I suppose that
they use the native RGB of the scanner.

I can enable "scanner RGB" again and the previews and the scans are
what they should be. I can run slides and everything behaves except
Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) still hangs the preview display.

She was running negative film without a glitch before she started
going through slide carrousels. She is running Nikon Scan 4.0.0 on
top of Windows XP Pro SP1 on a new Compaq machine. The usual switches
have been set: color (negative) and calibrated RGB enabled along with
the Color Management RGB options previously described. She said she
upgraded the software in May or June.

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

Any better guesses?

From: The Kenosha Kid

either we are doing something dreadfully wrong with Nikon Scan 4,
the software is trashed or the aliens have landed, who knows?

Anyway whenever ANY of the RGB options (Nikon Color Management
enabled) other than "scanner RGB" is selected in Nikon Scan, the
preview and scan comes out looking like the negative, only worse.

Sounds like it's not finding the other profiles, maybe check that it's looking
in the right place?

I can enable "scanner RGB" again and the previews and the scans are
what they should be.

"scanner RGB" is what it ALWAYS scans in, then if you have a different profile
selected it will basically do a "convert to profile" for you before writing out
a tagged file. If you have Photoshop or other advanced software with color
management features you can work around this by simply scanning in 'scanner
RGB' and when you open the file you should get a "Missing Profile" or "Profile
Mismatch" dialog box (unless you turned these warnings off in your color
management setup). At that point you can convert to your chosen working
profile (likely AdobeRGB or sRGB if you've been reading the other posts).

Basically you are doing this step manually later in the flow instead of having
the Nikon software do it for you after it scans but before it writes out the
file. No big deal so long as it gets done somewhere.

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

I'd try re-installing the Nikon software, it sounds like it can't access the
profiles to me.

Bill

From: The Kenosha Kid

either we are doing something dreadfully wrong with Nikon Scan 4,
the software is trashed or the aliens have landed, who knows?

Anyway whenever ANY of the RGB options (Nikon Color Management
enabled) other than "scanner RGB" is selected in Nikon Scan, the
preview and scan comes out looking like the negative, only worse.

Sounds like it's not finding the other profiles, maybe check that it's looking
in the right place?

I can enable "scanner RGB" again and the previews and the scans are
what they should be.

"scanner RGB" is what it ALWAYS scans in, then if you have a different profile
selected it will basically do a "convert to profile" for you before writing out
a tagged file. If you have Photoshop or other advanced software with color
management features you can work around this by simply scanning in 'scanner
RGB' and when you open the file you should get a "Missing Profile" or "Profile
Mismatch" dialog box (unless you turned these warnings off in your color
management setup). At that point you can convert to your chosen working
profile (likely AdobeRGB or sRGB if you've been reading the other posts).

Basically you are doing this step manually later in the flow instead of having
the Nikon software do it for you after it scans but before it writes out the
file. No big deal so long as it gets done somewhere.

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

I'd try re-installing the Nikon software, it sounds like it can't access the
profiles to me.

Bill

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:56:33 GMT, The Kenosha Kid
wrote:

OK now that I've been taught a little about the terms I'll come clean
with our problem.

We use an LS-4000 ED for slides and film strips. I don't do the
scanning, I just try to keep the thing running.

For the past year the strip feeder has been "broken" so my wife, the
primary user, digitized all the slides we have. I just cleaned up the
strip film feeder so she could use it again. The feeder works fine
but either we are doing something dreadfully wrong with Nikon Scan 4,
the software is trashed or the aliens have landed, who knows?

Anyway whenever ANY of the RGB options (Nikon Color Management
enabled) other than "scanner RGB" is selected in Nikon Scan, the
preview and scan comes out looking like the negative, only worse. For
instance, sRGB paints everything a yucky shade of magenta and the
others run the permutations from horrible to Monsters Inc. with the
exception of Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) which hangs the preview
display when selected. The thumbnails are OK since I suppose that
they use the native RGB of the scanner.

I can enable "scanner RGB" again and the previews and the scans are
what they should be. I can run slides and everything behaves except
Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) still hangs the preview display.

She was running negative film without a glitch

OK.

before she started
going through slide carrousels. She is running Nikon Scan 4.0.0 on
top of Windows XP Pro SP1 on a new Compaq machine. The usual switches
have been set: color (negative)

Still "color (negative)" when you're now working with slides?

and calibrated RGB enabled along with
the Color Management RGB options previously described. She said she
upgraded the software in May or June.

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

Any better guesses?

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:56:33 GMT, The Kenosha Kid
wrote:

OK now that I've been taught a little about the terms I'll come clean
with our problem.

We use an LS-4000 ED for slides and film strips. I don't do the
scanning, I just try to keep the thing running.

For the past year the strip feeder has been "broken" so my wife, the
primary user, digitized all the slides we have. I just cleaned up the
strip film feeder so she could use it again. The feeder works fine
but either we are doing something dreadfully wrong with Nikon Scan 4,
the software is trashed or the aliens have landed, who knows?

Anyway whenever ANY of the RGB options (Nikon Color Management
enabled) other than "scanner RGB" is selected in Nikon Scan, the
preview and scan comes out looking like the negative, only worse. For
instance, sRGB paints everything a yucky shade of magenta and the
others run the permutations from horrible to Monsters Inc. with the
exception of Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) which hangs the preview
display when selected. The thumbnails are OK since I suppose that
they use the native RGB of the scanner.

I can enable "scanner RGB" again and the previews and the scans are
what they should be. I can run slides and everything behaves except
Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) still hangs the preview display.

She was running negative film without a glitch

OK.

before she started
going through slide carrousels. She is running Nikon Scan 4.0.0 on
top of Windows XP Pro SP1 on a new Compaq machine. The usual switches
have been set: color (negative)

Still "color (negative)" when you're now working with slides?

and calibrated RGB enabled along with
the Color Management RGB options previously described. She said she
upgraded the software in May or June.

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

Any better guesses?

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:07:48 GMT, wrote:

SNIPPPP

Still "color (negative)" when you're now working with slides?
SNIP

No. As soon as you slide the slide attachment into the scanner the
default changes to positive.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:07:48 GMT, wrote:

SNIPPPP

Still "color (negative)" when you're now working with slides?
SNIP

No. As soon as you slide the slide attachment into the scanner the
default changes to positive.

On 17 Sep 2004 21:58:12 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

From: The Kenosha Kid

SNIPPPPPP

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

I'd try re-installing the Nikon software, it sounds like it can't access the
profiles to me.

Bill

Thanks, I just tried that. I put the software on the workstation I'm
using for CAD and graphics and everything works as advertised.

She changed boxes during the past year. The machine is still a Compaq
but she says the video card is an Nvidia. Mine is dual Xeon with a
3DLabs Oxygen running on Windows 2000 Pro: Apples and oranges.

I had her uninstall the Nikon application, manually delete any of the
subdirectories and files left by the unistaller and then reinstall the
basic Nikon Scan 4.0 package and the 4.0.2 update. No change
whatsoever, the previews are the same yucky magenta, yet the results
on my machine are perfect.

Anyway thanks for the sound advice. I think it is narrowing down to
her machine. Maybe either the Nvidia or the MS XP is kryptonite.

On 17 Sep 2004 21:58:12 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

From: The Kenosha Kid

SNIPPPPPP

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

I'd try re-installing the Nikon software, it sounds like it can't access the
profiles to me.

Bill

Thanks, I just tried that. I put the software on the workstation I'm
using for CAD and graphics and everything works as advertised.

She changed boxes during the past year. The machine is still a Compaq
but she says the video card is an Nvidia. Mine is dual Xeon with a
3DLabs Oxygen running on Windows 2000 Pro: Apples and oranges.

I had her uninstall the Nikon application, manually delete any of the
subdirectories and files left by the unistaller and then reinstall the
basic Nikon Scan 4.0 package and the 4.0.2 update. No change
whatsoever, the previews are the same yucky magenta, yet the results
on my machine are perfect.

Anyway thanks for the sound advice. I think it is narrowing down to
her machine. Maybe either the Nvidia or the MS XP is kryptonite.

Turn off Nikon colour management - it is detremental.

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OK now that I've been taught a little about the terms I'll come clean
with our problem.

We use an LS-4000 ED for slides and film strips. I don't do the
scanning, I just try to keep the thing running.

For the past year the strip feeder has been "broken" so my wife, the
primary user, digitized all the slides we have. I just cleaned up the
strip film feeder so she could use it again. The feeder works fine
but either we are doing something dreadfully wrong with Nikon Scan 4,
the software is trashed or the aliens have landed, who knows?

Anyway whenever ANY of the RGB options (Nikon Color Management
enabled) other than "scanner RGB" is selected in Nikon Scan, the
preview and scan comes out looking like the negative, only worse. For
instance, sRGB paints everything a yucky shade of magenta and the
others run the permutations from horrible to Monsters Inc. with the
exception of Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) which hangs the preview
display when selected. The thumbnails are OK since I suppose that
they use the native RGB of the scanner.

I can enable "scanner RGB" again and the previews and the scans are
what they should be. I can run slides and everything behaves except
Wide Gamut RGB (compensated) still hangs the preview display.

She was running negative film without a glitch before she started
going through slide carrousels. She is running Nikon Scan 4.0.0 on
top of Windows XP Pro SP1 on a new Compaq machine. The usual switches
have been set: color (negative) and calibrated RGB enabled along with
the Color Management RGB options previously described. She said she
upgraded the software in May or June.

I am either missing something very fundamental or the software is
fried.

Any better guesses?