Finally, someone in DC with a set of balls!! No apology required!

"John A." wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:33:02 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Walter Banks wrote:

Bill Graham wrote:

A comparative question might be "what is the cost for an individual
for private insurance in the US with no deductible?" The Canadian
cost is 2.5% of earned income. This number has distortions in it
because some health costs are paid directly by various levels of
Government (as happens in the US as well) It is generally agreed
10% or so of GNP is the real cost of health care in most
industrialized countries except the US.

w.
.
Well, I pay $750 a month for three people, and my former employer
pays another $500. So, that is $1250 a month, divided by 3 is about
$420. Except that 2 of these people also have Medicare, which pays
some part of the doctors bill and other services. (but not drugs)
And our total income is around $6000 a month, so that is roughly 7%
per person, not counting whatever Medicare pays.....

Anyone else want to comment on health care costs. Most on this thread
probably have a similar socio-economic conditions. Broadly middle
class employed/retired self sufficient, have been so most of their
lives.


I'm currently paying ? 140 a month (in Europe).

But that means nothing to the usual ideologically blinded crowd...

I pay 160 a month in the US. Straight indemnity policy, high
deductible.
The idea is that it's for disasters, not for getting warts removed.

And I would love such a policy, but here, you have to buy the, "wart
removal
option". There must be some law that prevents one from buying just a,
"Major
operation" policy. Whenever I have to go to a hospital or clinic for some
emergency, I have to wait in line behind a hundred kids with the sniffles.
And, I know that that's where all my money is going. This is a central
part
of our society. It is what I saw when I was a kid, and all the housewives
got free local calling service from the telephone company. So they would
talk for an hour when they could see each other through their kitchen
windows across the street. I knew this was wrong then, and it is still
wrong
today. But I have had to live with it for my entire life.

You're in Oregon, right?

http://www.oregon-health-insurance.c...astrophic.html

Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five plans that
are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch between any of
those, but not outside them. This is because Stanford adds $500 a month to
the $750 that I pay, and this also covers a disabled son. You see, part of
the problem is the complexity of all the rules.....Interstate, government,
employer, and insurance company rules.

My daughter is a nurse. She has her own home health care business in
Wyoming. Her husband is not insured, and can't buy a policy because of his
vascular problems which constitute a pre-condition. For a while he worked
for UPS, and was insured under their health care insurance plan. But in the
recent depression, he lost his job, and he is uninsured again. He would have
continued his insurance, but the company that carried UPS's policies, didn't
allow it. In my case, the rules Stanford University forced on their
insurance carriers made them continue my policy into retirement as long as I
paid for it. Is this a difference between Wyoming and California? Or a
difference between educational institutions and non-educational
institutions? Is it a legal difference, or just some "company policy"
difference? And how the hell would I go about finding out? - I can't even
get a copy of my insurance policy.

Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five plans that
are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch between any of
those, but not outside them. This is because Stanford adds $500 a month to
the $750 that I pay, and this also covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing. Doubtless he has that rightard's ability to
ignore any fact which conflicts with his cult's ideology. If privtae
insurance is so great then he has t ignore that he gets public health
care AND heavily subsidized private insurance.

--
Ray Fischer

Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five plans that
are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch between any of
those, but not outside them. This is because Stanford adds $500 a month to
the $750 that I pay, and this also covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing. Doubtless he has that rightard's ability to
ignore any fact which conflicts with his cult's ideology. If privtae
insurance is so great then he has t ignore that he gets public health
care AND heavily subsidized private insurance.


And that a son-in-law can't get insurance through no fault of his own.

Is this the great system Bill seems to be willing to advocating the use
violence for (certainly verbal, possibly physical) to keep?

In a previous post he even complained about having to wait hours behind
snivelling kids in order to see a doctor. Then he goes off in hysterics
if anyone proposes bringing the U.S. health system up to industrialized
World standards.

Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five
plans that are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch
between any of those, but not outside them. This is because
Stanford adds $500 a month to the $750 that I pay, and this also
covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing. Doubtless he has that rightard's ability
to ignore any fact which conflicts with his cult's ideology. If
privtae insurance is so great then he has t ignore that he gets
public health care AND heavily subsidized private insurance.


And that a son-in-law can't get insurance through no fault of his own.

Is this the great system Bill seems to be willing to advocating the
use violence for (certainly verbal, possibly physical) to keep?

In a previous post he even complained about having to wait hours
behind snivelling kids in order to see a doctor. Then he goes off in
hysterics if anyone proposes bringing the U.S. health system up to
industrialized World standards.

What would you change about the "health system"?

You are confusing treatment and payment. Nobody wants to change the quality
of treatment, just the means of payment.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five
plans that are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch
between any of those, but not outside them. This is because
Stanford adds $500 a month to the $750 that I pay, and this also
covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing. Doubtless he has that rightard's ability
to ignore any fact which conflicts with his cult's ideology. If
privtae insurance is so great then he has t ignore that he gets
public health care AND heavily subsidized private insurance.


And that a son-in-law can't get insurance through no fault of his own.

Is this the great system Bill seems to be willing to advocating the
use violence for (certainly verbal, possibly physical) to keep?

In a previous post he even complained about having to wait hours
behind snivelling kids in order to see a doctor. Then he goes off in
hysterics if anyone proposes bringing the U.S. health system up to
industrialized World standards.

What would you change about the "health system"?

You are confusing treatment and payment. Nobody wants to change the
quality
of treatment, just the means of payment.

J., it's easy for a few here to ridicule another's opinions or thoughts, not
having the balls to put forth their own.

"Rol_Lei Nut" wrote in message
...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five plans
that are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch between
any of those, but not outside them. This is because Stanford adds $500 a
month to the $750 that I pay, and this also covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing. Doubtless he has that rightard's ability to
ignore any fact which conflicts with his cult's ideology. If privtae
insurance is so great then he has t ignore that he gets public health
care AND heavily subsidized private insurance.


And that a son-in-law can't get insurance through no fault of his own.

Is this the great system Bill seems to be willing to advocating the use
violence for (certainly verbal, possibly physical) to keep?

In a previous post he even complained about having to wait hours behind
snivelling kids in order to see a doctor. Then he goes off in hysterics if
anyone proposes bringing the U.S. health system up to industrialized World
standards.

And your plan is?

"mikey4" wrote in message
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five
plans that are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch
between any of those, but not outside them. This is because
Stanford adds $500 a month to the $750 that I pay, and this also
covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing.

The story has never changed. I have told everyone what my circumstances were
from the beginning. I began getting Medicare upon my reaching the age of 65.
I believe this is the case for everyone on social security. I certainly
didn't ask for it.....It was simply a fact of life.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five
plans that are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch
between any of those, but not outside them. This is because
Stanford adds $500 a month to the $750 that I pay, and this also
covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing. Doubtless he has that rightard's ability
to ignore any fact which conflicts with his cult's ideology. If
privtae insurance is so great then he has t ignore that he gets
public health care AND heavily subsidized private insurance.


And that a son-in-law can't get insurance through no fault of his own.

Is this the great system Bill seems to be willing to advocating the
use violence for (certainly verbal, possibly physical) to keep?

In a previous post he even complained about having to wait hours
behind snivelling kids in order to see a doctor. Then he goes off in
hysterics if anyone proposes bringing the U.S. health system up to
industrialized World standards.

I never said that I liked the present health care system. I only have said
that it is screwed up because it isn't a free enterprise system now.....It
is already half socialized. And, I don't see how finishing the job of
socializing it will help matters any.

"John A." wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:31:42 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"John A." wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:33:02 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Walter Banks wrote:

Bill Graham wrote:

A comparative question might be "what is the cost for an
individual
for private insurance in the US with no deductible?" The Canadian
cost is 2.5% of earned income. This number has distortions in it
because some health costs are paid directly by various levels of
Government (as happens in the US as well) It is generally agreed
10% or so of GNP is the real cost of health care in most
industrialized countries except the US.

w.
.
Well, I pay $750 a month for three people, and my former employer
pays another $500. So, that is $1250 a month, divided by 3 is about
$420. Except that 2 of these people also have Medicare, which pays
some part of the doctors bill and other services. (but not drugs)
And our total income is around $6000 a month, so that is roughly 7%
per person, not counting whatever Medicare pays.....

Anyone else want to comment on health care costs. Most on this
thread
probably have a similar socio-economic conditions. Broadly middle
class employed/retired self sufficient, have been so most of their
lives.


I'm currently paying ? 140 a month (in Europe).

But that means nothing to the usual ideologically blinded crowd...

I pay 160 a month in the US. Straight indemnity policy, high
deductible.
The idea is that it's for disasters, not for getting warts removed.

And I would love such a policy, but here, you have to buy the, "wart
removal
option". There must be some law that prevents one from buying just a,
"Major
operation" policy. Whenever I have to go to a hospital or clinic for
some
emergency, I have to wait in line behind a hundred kids with the
sniffles.
And, I know that that's where all my money is going. This is a central
part
of our society. It is what I saw when I was a kid, and all the
housewives
got free local calling service from the telephone company. So they would
talk for an hour when they could see each other through their kitchen
windows across the street. I knew this was wrong then, and it is still
wrong
today. But I have had to live with it for my entire life.

You're in Oregon, right?

http://www.oregon-health-insurance.c...astrophic.html

Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five plans
that
are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch between any of
those, but not outside them. This is because Stanford adds $500 a month to
the $750 that I pay, and this also covers a disabled son. You see, part of
the problem is the complexity of all the rules.....Interstate, government,
employer, and insurance company rules.

My daughter is a nurse. She has her own home health care business in
Wyoming. Her husband is not insured, and can't buy a policy because of his
vascular problems which constitute a pre-condition. For a while he worked
for UPS, and was insured under their health care insurance plan. But in
the
recent depression, he lost his job, and he is uninsured again. He would
have
continued his insurance, but the company that carried UPS's policies,
didn't
allow it.

COBRA.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/health-plans/cobra.htm

According to the FAQ page the company would be required by law to
"allow" it, unless he was guilty of gross misconduct.

So either you're misstating the case to us, or he misstated it to you.
I hope it's the former.

Well, I will forward the information to my daughter, and see what she says
about it.....It's possible that she might have been able to reinstate his
coverage.

Bill Graham wrote:

"mikey4" wrote in message
...

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
Thanks for the link. But I have to be in one of the four or five
plans that are OK'd by Stanford University every year. I can switch
between any of those, but not outside them. This is because
Stanford adds $500 a month to the $750 that I pay, and this also
covers a disabled son.

LOL!

Graham claims that he pays $750/ month fgor health insurance.

Then it turns out that he also gets Medicare.

Then it turns out that Stanford adds $500/month.

The story keeps changing.

The story has never changed. I have told everyone what my circumstances were
from the beginning.

He didn't.

I began getting Medicare upon my reaching the age of 65.

Which you didn't mention at first.

I believe this is the case for everyone on social security.

Your poasting name doesn't convey information abotu your age.

I certainly
didn't ask for it.....It was simply a fact of life.

And ike most good rightards, your attitude it that you've got your
benefits and other people should die rather than inconvenience you.

--
Ray Fischer