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Tony Cooper:
He *encourages* them to use real cameras... That betrays your smug, dogmatic, and prejudicial mindset. I googled "award-winning movies iphone" and got 10 million results. I didn't go through all of them, but many are impressive. Like Malik Bendjelloul, who won an Oscar for his documentary "Searching for Sugar Man." He turned to his iPhone and a $2 Super 8 emulator app to complete the film as his money for buying Super 8 film was exhausted. Try to explain to him and the Academy how the iPhone is not a real camera. This is a settled issue outside of nose-in-the-air circles. In fact, it never was a question outside those circles. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On 7/23/2017 2:28 PM, Davoud wrote:
nospam: the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism... PeterN: Please explain what you mean by "widely used." I think that I can explain what that means, and in simple terms. In Washington, D.C., where lots of news stills and videos are shot in public places, one sees many journalists using iPhones. The advantages, they say, are all centered around economics. High-quality stills and video, delivered immediately to the newspaper office/TV studio, no expensive Sonys or cameramen needed. One still sees the three-person team occasionally--journalist, cameraman, sound man. But that's becoming rarer. I am well aware of the meaning of the term. Since it is not an absolute value, I wanted to know how nospam used it. In the past nospam has used a term and then said he meant something else, in an attempt to claim plausible ambiguity. Just look at some of his prior statements. "Nobody wants ....." When pressed a wiggle expression such as: "most people....," or "you're picking on words," or, it's irrelevant. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: nospam: the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism... PeterN: Please explain what you mean by "widely used." I think that I can explain what that means, and in simple terms. In Washington, D.C., where lots of news stills and videos are shot in public places, one sees many journalists using iPhones. The advantages, they say, are all centered around economics. High-quality stills and video, delivered immediately to the newspaper office/TV studio, no expensive Sonys or cameramen needed. One still sees the three-person team occasionally--journalist, cameraman, sound man. But that's becoming rarer. I am well aware of the meaning of the term. Since it is not an absolute value, I wanted to know how nospam used it. In the past nospam has used a term and then said he meant something else, in an attempt to claim plausible ambiguity. nope. Just look at some of his prior statements. "Nobody wants ....." When pressed a wiggle expression such as: "most people....," or "you're picking on words," or, it's irrelevant. english is clearly not your native language. might you be deported? |
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PeterN:
...I wanted to know how nospam used it. In the past nospam has used a term and then said he meant something else, in an attempt to claim plausible ambiguity. Just look at some of his prior statements. "Nobody wants ....." When pressed a wiggle expression such as: "most people....," or "you're picking on words," or, it's irrelevant. I wasn't speaking for nospam, who is in my kill-file. Maybe you are being a bit picky about words. There is nothing wrong with the hyperbolic words "Nobody" and "Everybody" when one means "relatively few" or "a lot of people." Nobody wants to have an automobile wreck." That's not true; some people wreck their cars intentionally. "Everybody watches Sunday night football." (It was #1 in 2016/17 per TV Guide.) (I don't watch football.) But they're still reasonable statements in the context of hyperbole. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: I don't understand why you feel it is objectionable to encourage 12 and 13 year-olds to learn to use a dslr. it's a skill they won't need in the future. |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: I don't understand why you feel it is objectionable to encourage 12 and 13 year-olds to learn to use a dslr. it's a skill they won't need in the future. And, evidently, a skill you didn't acquire in the past. you contribute nothing to the discussion other than insults. |
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On 7/23/2017 6:11 PM, Davoud wrote:
PeterN: ...I wanted to know how nospam used it. In the past nospam has used a term and then said he meant something else, in an attempt to claim plausible ambiguity. Just look at some of his prior statements. "Nobody wants ....." When pressed a wiggle expression such as: "most people....," or "you're picking on words," or, it's irrelevant. I wasn't speaking for nospam, who is in my kill-file. Maybe you are being a bit picky about words. There is nothing wrong with the hyperbolic words "Nobody" and "Everybody" when one means "relatively few" or "a lot of people." Nobody wants to have an automobile wreck." That's not true; some people wreck their cars intentionally. "Everybody watches Sunday night football." (It was #1 in 2016/17 per TV Guide.) (I don't watch football.) But they're still reasonable statements in the context of hyperbole. However, when speaking of this [yearbook or school news paper photographers] subset of the universe of all people who take photographs the hyperbolic "Nobody" and "Everybody" seems to be a stretch. I suspect very few people that self identify as photographers select their phone's camera as their primary tool of choice. [YMMV] -- == Later.... Ron C -- --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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In article , Ron C
wrote: I suspect very few people that self identify as photographers select their phone's camera as their primary tool of choice. it depends what they're shooting, but for most things, a phone is more than adequate and fits in a pocket, leaving an slr only for very specific situations. |
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Davoud:
There is nothing wrong with the hyperbolic words "Nobody" and "Everybody" when one means "relatively few" or "a lot of people." Ron C: I suspect very few people that self identify as photographers select their phone's camera as their primary tool of choice. Does one need to self-identify as a photographer to be a photographer? What does it mean to be a photographer? Just making photographs is not enough? Of all the people in the world who make photographs, the iPhone leads all other cameras. Ergo, IF people who make photographs are photographers, THEN it's not very few but very many. Indeed, with the advent of the iPhone, "everyone" is a photographer. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On 7/23/2017 8:08 PM, Davoud wrote:
Davoud: There is nothing wrong with the hyperbolic words "Nobody" and "Everybody" when one means "relatively few" or "a lot of people." Ron C: I suspect very few people that self identify as photographers select their phone's camera as their primary tool of choice. Does one need to self-identify as a photographer to be a photographer? What does it mean to be a photographer? Just making photographs is not enough? Of all the people in the world who make photographs, the iPhone leads all other cameras. Ergo, IF people who make photographs are photographers, THEN it's not very few but very many. Indeed, with the advent of the iPhone, "everyone" is a photographer. No, but establishes a rather broad subset that is smaller than the universe of all people who "snap" photos. Peter N suggested a different sub set that is also smaller than that universe. However, I submit there is a small probability that some people that self-identify as photographers have never taken a photograph. There are many ways to define subsets related to photography, and, yes, the subset I suggested is quite arbitrary. Pedantics vs set theory. [YMMV] --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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