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Old July 23rd 17, 04:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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The "teacher" does not teach photography, and I did not say he teaches
photography.


then he shouldn't be telling students what cameras to use *at* *all*.

Nor did I say he forces them to use dedicated cameras. A
teacher of any subject at a middle school is assigned to oversee the
yearbook and newspaper, but it's not a subject that is taught.


i didn't say he forced anyone. if he truly wanted to help the kids, he
should help them take photos, not which camera to use.

He *encourages* them to use real cameras, but not because it results
in better photographs. He thinks it makes the student feel he or she
is on assignment for the yearbook or newspaper and not just doing
social media stuff. He also thinks the subjects react differently
when they see a real camera. They are more cooperative to the student
"reporter".


he's very misinformed.

the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism,
including some rather major newspapers and whether someone cooperates
with a reporter is not defined by what type of camera they use either,
but rather their skill as a reporter.
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Old July 23rd 17, 04:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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nospam:
what rubbish.


Tony Cooper:
As usual, you are mouthing off


Sheesh!

I only stated the obvious, that the overwhelming majority of kids today
prefer to make photos with iPhones. That's part of the reason it's the
world's most widely used camera.

My experience with one school is different from Mr. Cooper's. I offered
a Sony Alpha kit, very complete, condition as new, to a school. They
said they appreciated the offer, and turned it down. Too complicated,
nobody available to teach it, students and teachers alike use iPhones.

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Old July 23rd 17, 05:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Davoud
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I only stated the obvious, that the overwhelming majority of kids today
prefer to make photos with iPhones. That's part of the reason it's the
world's most widely used camera.


yep, and not just still photos, but videos too.

My experience with one school is different from Mr. Cooper's. I offered
a Sony Alpha kit, very complete, condition as new, to a school. They
said they appreciated the offer, and turned it down. Too complicated,
nobody available to teach it, students and teachers alike use iPhones.


not surprising at all.
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Old July 23rd 17, 05:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

He *encourages* them to use real cameras, but not because it results
in better photographs. He thinks it makes the student feel he or she
is on assignment for the yearbook or newspaper and not just doing
social media stuff. He also thinks the subjects react differently
when they see a real camera. They are more cooperative to the student
"reporter".


he's very misinformed.


No, you are. His program is working.


there's no way to know that until the kids are older.

technology changes at a rapid pace and teaching kids yesterday's
technology does not work. it's doing a disservice to them.

You are just bitching without
knowing the circumstances.


that would be you.

the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism,
including some rather major newspapers and whether someone cooperates
with a reporter is not defined by what type of camera they use either,
but rather their skill as a reporter.


These are middle-school students, not photojournalists.


if they're taking photos for a newspaper, regardless of who publishes
it, then they are photojournalists.

What
photojournalists do and use has nothing to do with this.


of course it does.

And, they
are middle-schoolers interacting with their peers. Twelve and
thirteen year-olds.


exactly, and they all want to use what their peers are using, not what
gramps wants them to use,
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Old July 23rd 17, 06:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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As usual, you've added nothing of value or interest.


more of your insults.
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Old July 23rd 17, 06:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 7/23/2017 11:30 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

The "teacher" does not teach photography, and I did not say he teaches
photography.


then he shouldn't be telling students what cameras to use *at* *all*.

Nor did I say he forces them to use dedicated cameras. A
teacher of any subject at a middle school is assigned to oversee the
yearbook and newspaper, but it's not a subject that is taught.


i didn't say he forced anyone. if he truly wanted to help the kids, he
should help them take photos, not which camera to use.


Good point, coming from someone who tells posters what machines to use
for post processing, and what cameras to use for teaching photography.
Heal thyself.





He *encourages* them to use real cameras, but not because it results
in better photographs. He thinks it makes the student feel he or she
is on assignment for the yearbook or newspaper and not just doing
social media stuff. He also thinks the subjects react differently
when they see a real camera. They are more cooperative to the student
"reporter".


he's very misinformed.

the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism,
including some rather major newspapers and whether someone cooperates
with a reporter is not defined by what type of camera they use either,
but rather their skill as a reporter.


Please explain what you mean by "widely used."

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Old July 23rd 17, 07:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

The "teacher" does not teach photography, and I did not say he teaches
photography.


then he shouldn't be telling students what cameras to use *at* *all*.

Nor did I say he forces them to use dedicated cameras. A
teacher of any subject at a middle school is assigned to oversee the
yearbook and newspaper, but it's not a subject that is taught.


i didn't say he forced anyone. if he truly wanted to help the kids, he
should help them take photos, not which camera to use.


Good point, coming from someone who tells posters what machines to use
for post processing, and what cameras to use for teaching photography.


i don't tell anyone what systems or apps to use.




the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism,
including some rather major newspapers and whether someone cooperates
with a reporter is not defined by what type of camera they use either,
but rather their skill as a reporter.


Please explain what you mean by "widely used."


i didn't realize english was not your native language.
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Old July 23rd 17, 07:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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As usual, you've added nothing of value or interest.


more of your insults.


The truth is an insult?


it's not the truth. all you do is insult. you are incapable of a
rational discussion.

both davoud and i added quite a bit, it just disagrees with your
narrow-minded outdated view of the world.
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Old July 23rd 17, 07:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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nospam:
the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism...


PeterN:
Please explain what you mean by "widely used."


I think that I can explain what that means, and in simple terms. In
Washington, D.C., where lots of news stills and videos are shot in
public places, one sees many journalists using iPhones. The advantages,
they say, are all centered around economics. High-quality stills and
video, delivered immediately to the newspaper office/TV studio, no
expensive Sonys or cameramen needed. One still sees the three-person
team occasionally--journalist, cameraman, sound man. But that's
becoming rarer.

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you will say in your entire life.

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Old July 23rd 17, 07:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Davoud
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nospam:
the reality is that smartphones are widely used in photojournalism...


PeterN:
Please explain what you mean by "widely used."


I think that I can explain what that means, and in simple terms. In
Washington, D.C., where lots of news stills and videos are shot in
public places, one sees many journalists using iPhones. The advantages,
they say, are all centered around economics. High-quality stills and
video, delivered immediately to the newspaper office/TV studio, no
expensive Sonys or cameramen needed. One still sees the three-person
team occasionally--journalist, cameraman, sound man. But that's
becoming rarer.


yep.
 




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