is it a forgone conclusion...

jjs wrote:
"Steven Kefford" ""keff.antispam\"@ f2s.com" wrote in message
...


If businesses are going to "force the issue", I would call that a little
bit more than business economics.


It's an unfortunate expression. Perhaps it is better to say that the
marketplace determines the outcome, and the outcome will be digital.



Yes, the business economics aside, why do you think that there is a
"the" outcome? Why can't digital and film coexist? There seams to ba a
lot of assumptions made that there can only be one. Why?

Steve

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Steven Kefford ""keff.antispam\"@ f2s.com" wrote:

Yes, the business economics aside, why do you think that there is a
"the" outcome? Why can't digital and film coexist? There seams to ba a
lot of assumptions made that there can only be one. Why?

Steve

What it boils down to is wether photographers choose film. If one
supplies ones work digitally it is a different non related issue.
But relevant only when film is no longer available or when work turn
around is the key consideration no quality issues are required to see
the differences (although they are important).


I think film and digital capture can certainly coexist, however that
remains to be seen as to how long,.... aside from the knee jerk sky is
falling mentality some people seem to subscribe to.

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Steven Kefford wrote:
jjs wrote:

Yes, the business economics aside, why do you think that there is a
"the" outcome? Why can't digital and film coexist? There seams to ba a
lot of assumptions made that there can only be one. Why?


There is no reason besides economics.

My prediction is the transition will go fairly quickly, like DVD. Thom
predicts Nikon and Canon will both have discontinued *all* 35mm cameras
by the end of the year. If consumers aren't buying film cameras, and
professionals have largely abandoned them, that leaves only the
relatively low volume of the serious amateur.

Will you still be able to get it? Sure. Just like BetaMax tapes. Sony
only discontinued production of BetaMax recording gear a year or so ago,
but in most people's minds Beta was "dead" around 1980.

Bob

Steven Kefford wrote:
jjs wrote:

Yes, the business economics aside, why do you think that there is a
"the" outcome? Why can't digital and film coexist? There seams to ba a
lot of assumptions made that there can only be one. Why?


There is no reason besides economics.

My prediction is the transition will go fairly quickly, like DVD. Thom
predicts Nikon and Canon will both have discontinued *all* 35mm cameras
by the end of the year. If consumers aren't buying film cameras, and
professionals have largely abandoned them, that leaves only the
relatively low volume of the serious amateur.

Will you still be able to get it? Sure. Just like BetaMax tapes. Sony
only discontinued production of BetaMax recording gear a year or so ago,
but in most people's minds Beta was "dead" around 1980.

Bob

bob wrote:
Steven Kefford wrote:
jjs wrote:

Yes, the business economics aside, why do you think that there is a
"the" outcome? Why can't digital and film coexist? There seams to ba a
lot of assumptions made that there can only be one. Why?


There is no reason besides economics.

My prediction is the transition will go fairly quickly, like DVD. Thom
predicts Nikon and Canon will both have discontinued *all* 35mm cameras
by the end of the year. If consumers aren't buying film cameras, and
professionals have largely abandoned them, that leaves only the
relatively low volume of the serious amateur.


And yet late last year Canon refused to stop making APS cameras claiming
they're making too much money on them. At the same time we keep hearing wide
ranging complaints from digital camera makers about losses,margin squeezes
and falling average selling prices. Lets be honest. Camera companies are
spending no R&D dollars on film cameras. They sure aren't spending any ad
money either. Shutting down those production lines won't do them any good.

I'd also like to point out that nobody was really buying 35mm cameras
10 years ago either. The world has been flooded with cameras for a long time.


Nick

"bob" wrote

Just like BetaMax tapes. Sony only discontinued production of
BetaMax recording gear a year or so ago, but in most people's
minds Beta was "dead" around 1980.

I thought there was a 'professional' version of Beta still
kicking around.

It takes an embarrassingly long time for a technology to die out.

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"bob" wrote

Just like BetaMax tapes. Sony only discontinued production of
BetaMax recording gear a year or so ago, but in most people's
minds Beta was "dead" around 1980.

I thought there was a 'professional' version of Beta still
kicking around.

It takes an embarrassingly long time for a technology to die out.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"bob" wrote


Just like BetaMax tapes. Sony only discontinued production of
BetaMax recording gear a year or so ago, but in most people's
minds Beta was "dead" around 1980.


I thought there was a 'professional' version of Beta still
kicking around.

It takes an embarrassingly long time for a technology to die out.


That's the gear that Sony recently discontinued. Tapes are still
available, but once the supply chain is clear of the gear, there will be
no more.

Bob

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"bob" wrote


Just like BetaMax tapes. Sony only discontinued production of
BetaMax recording gear a year or so ago, but in most people's
minds Beta was "dead" around 1980.


I thought there was a 'professional' version of Beta still
kicking around.

It takes an embarrassingly long time for a technology to die out.


That's the gear that Sony recently discontinued. Tapes are still
available, but once the supply chain is clear of the gear, there will be
no more.

Bob

Nick Zentena wrote:

Lets be honest. Camera companies are
spending no R&D dollars on film cameras.

Far as I can tell, film makers aren't spending much on R&D either.
When's the last time a new B&W (non c-41) film was released? P3200?

What's the most recent development in color film? The last thing I can
recall is Kodak MAX, but I honestly have never paid much attention to
color film. There are developments in disposable cameras, and they will
probably be popular until digital is cheap enough to replace them ($3
pricepoint)

They sure aren't spending any ad
money either. Shutting down those production
lines won't do them any good.

Shutting down the lines will free up capital (both money and people)
that they can use for other (read digital) purposes.

Bob