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  #81  
Old September 28th 18, 11:31 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
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On Friday, 28 September 2018 01:08:09 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 05:34:35 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 12:07:39 UTC+1, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

I mean he could have been talking about the Senova D70 but most people here I
would think would think oh he means the Nikon D70 unless of course there's a
canon or any other D70.

canon and nikon made a d60.

do they I thought they were D60 not d.

canon and sigma made an sd10 (not that anyone cares about the latter).
there are others.

both SD10 too.

In my world the case can be important you have m or M m is for milli, M is for Meg. only about 1,000 million apart

I remmeber the first digital camera I used was a ricoh 300,000 pixels was the advert.


And a friend of mine was interested in slrs at school but was never allowed under UK law to buy them. He was shocked when I said I'd brought an slr.
He thought I'd brought a self loading rifle.
in my job TTL is Transistor to Transistor logic in the camera world it was Through the lens metering.

What about TTFN?


What that was, mostly a war time experssion tatarfornow was what my mum would say I think she got it from the Goons show, but she'd also say lol was lots of love.


Nope: Tommy Handley. ITMA.

I normaly have to look up things I'm not sure of as we use a lot of such things.
Typically surface mount chip sizes which I have to order.
TQFN is one I rememeber not to order, SOIC check the studetn knows what they are ordering SSOP TSOP again Q the student, FPGA , SIP, DIP, TO18, TO3, PLCC, CMOS, PMOS. N & P channels aren't TV stations.

And as they say, There are 10 types of people those that understand binary and those that don't.


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Old September 28th 18, 11:32 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:53:57 -0400, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.


Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.


focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.


Don't wriggle. Whether or not a lens is long is a value judgement.
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  #83  
Old September 28th 18, 11:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:01:58 -0400, nospam
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In article , -hh
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could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.


Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use
context.


use context does not matter.


It sure as hell does to the user.

a long lens does not become not long because someone uses it in a
different manner.

the definition is clear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.


The Wiki gives two sources. You are welcome to use 'long' in that
sense if you want but you weren't the person who first used the term
in that sense. It was Tony Cooper. It is up to Tony to define what he
meant by 'long' in this discussion.
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  #84  
Old September 28th 18, 11:39 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:11:39 -0400, Tony Cooper
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT), -hh
wrote:

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.



Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use context.

You have to wonder how nospam mind works. He's been around a
photography group for yonks. He knows - you know he does - what
people mean when they refer to a "long lens". He knows - he couldn't
help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens. He must have picked up that one
person's long lens is not necessarily some other person's long lens,
but both have a long lens in their bag. He surely must know that the
choice of what long lens to buy is largely based on what you intend to
photograph. And, of course, cost.

He must know that no one will agree with him, that he's not informing
anyone of anything, and that there's no point to his comment...but he
persists.

How desperate for attention must he be?


You should see what nospam posts in the Windows 10 news group!
Prolific is an understatement.
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Eric Stevens
  #85  
Old September 28th 18, 11:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:39:17 -0400, nospam
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens.

it's not relative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.

you are once again moving the goalposts and arguing against what was
never said.


Nope. The discussion is about the term "long lens", not "long-focus
lens".


nope. they are equivalent terms.


If you try Googling 'long lens' you find:

"a lens with a long focal length, especially as a camera attachment
for taking photographs from a great distance."

It also leads you to:

https://www.apogeephoto.com/lenses-t...d-short-of-it/
"When photographers use the words “long” and “short” to describe a
lens, they’re talking about the magnification the lens provides. A
longer lens provides more subject magnification–so you can stand
farther from your subject and not have the subject appear too small
in the picture."

long lenses are also called telephoto lenses, although that actually
has a specific meaning.

You have tried to divert it to this, but is isn't working.


if anyone is trying to divert it, it would be you.


He is trying (quite successfully) to stick with his original subject.
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  #86  
Old September 28th 18, 11:46 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
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On Friday, 28 September 2018 02:31:02 UTC+1, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:




Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use context.


I still use inches.... as a rule ;-P



Oh sorry we're talking about lenes are we ....

But nice to kn ow the USA is joining teh rest of the planet with metric sizes.
This time next mellenuim they might express their weight in kg rather than lbs .


.... or speed in km/hr?
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  #87  
Old September 28th 18, 01:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ken Hart[_4_]
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On 09/28/2018 05:40 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 28 September 2018 02:31:02 UTC+1, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:




Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use context.


I still use inches.... as a rule ;-P



Oh sorry we're talking about lenes are we ....

But nice to kn ow the USA is joining teh rest of the planet with metric sizes.
This time next mellenuim they might express their weight in kg rather than lbs .


More likely in stones (14 pounds or 6.3505 Kg).

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Old September 28th 18, 02:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ken Hart[_4_]
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On 09/27/2018 10:11 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT), -hh
wrote:

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.



Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use context.

You have to wonder how nospam mind works. He's been around a
photography group for yonks. He knows - you know he does - what
people mean when they refer to a "long lens". He knows - he couldn't
help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens. He must have picked up that one
person's long lens is not necessarily some other person's long lens,
but both have a long lens in their bag. He surely must know that the
choice of what long lens to buy is largely based on what you intend to
photograph. And, of course, cost.

He must know that no one will agree with him, that he's not informing
anyone of anything, and that there's no point to his comment...but he
persists.

How desperate for attention must he be?

He also hangs out in the Linux groups. A poster there one time posted
that it was unfortunate: nospam is quite knowledgeable about Linux, but
his attitude and demeanor turn people off so quickly and completely that
they stop listening to him.

I have a theory about nospam:
He is not a person, but an AI experiment (probably Google or Wikipedia
sponsored). 'His' programming calls for him to pick out a word or
phrase, take a contrary or narrow meaning, and support it with clips
from searches. Note that 'he' has no original content, and frequently
uses catch-phrases.

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  #89  
Old September 28th 18, 02:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.


focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.


Don't wriggle. Whether or not a lens is long is a value judgement.


false.
  #90  
Old September 28th 18, 02:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens.

it's not relative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.

you are once again moving the goalposts and arguing against what was
never said.

Nope. The discussion is about the term "long lens", not "long-focus
lens".


nope. they are equivalent terms.


If you try Googling 'long lens' you find:


the above definition as the first hit.

"a lens with a long focal length, especially as a camera attachment
for taking photographs from a great distance."

It also leads you to:

https://www.apogeephoto.com/lenses-t...d-short-of-it/
"When photographers use the words long and short to describe a
lens, theyre talking about the magnification the lens provides. A
longer lens provides more subject magnification*so you can stand
farther from your subject and not have the subject appear too small
in the picture."


magnification is a function of focal length.

in other words, they're equivalent terms.

long lenses are also called telephoto lenses, although that actually
has a specific meaning.

You have tried to divert it to this, but is isn't working.


if anyone is trying to divert it, it would be you.


He is trying (quite successfully) to stick with his original subject.


nope. he doesn't understand basic photographic terms and only wants to
argue, as do you, since your own reference proves him wrong yet you
claim he's correct.
 




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