THIS is why I've always hated Adobe

In article ,
Savageduck wrote:

| Once
| again, up at 1 AM trying to sort out computer problems. Thank you,
| Adobe.

Maybe you should try installing Flash Player instead.
I find I can usually get that done in less than two
hours.

why would anyone willingly install flash?

it's no longer needed and hasn't been for several years.

Adobe has even removed the Flash slideshows from this Lightroom CC/LR6 release.

yep. flash is dead, and none too soon.

On 2015-04-22 16:07:33 +0000, nospam said:

In article ,
Savageduck wrote:

| Once
| again, up at 1 AM trying to sort out computer problems. Thank you,
| Adobe.

Maybe you should try installing Flash Player instead.
I find I can usually get that done in less than two
hours.

why would anyone willingly install flash?

it's no longer needed and hasn't been for several years.

Adobe has even removed the Flash slideshows from this Lightroom CC/LR6 release.

yep. flash is dead, and none too soon.

I just checked Lightroom CC and all the Flash templates are gone. They
have added a wide-screen template, and a "Pan & Zoom" function. I guess
the caught up with Apple on that "Burns Effect".
I just made a quick SS to see how it worked.
https://db.tt/yQk7ahwk

--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-04-22 13:24:19 +0000, Sandman said:

Savageduck:
I can't relate to your experience as it does not
mirror mine. I have yet to find a Satanic bent in any of my
Adobe stuff. I installed the CC app when I first subscribed
and all has gone smoothly. Surprisingly so, as have all the
subsequent updates. It is also possible that the Adobe servers
were choking on the traffic. The Kelby severs and the On1
servers had traffic issues with their introductory
features/tutorial webcasts. I suggest taking a deep breath and
try again after a good night's rest.

Bill W:
It just gets worse. LR 6 installed. I clicked on it. Nothing. I
tried every possible way to open it. Nothing. So I uninstalled
LR5. Still nothing. I uninstalled LR6, and now I'm downloading
it again. There were no messages, no warnings, nothing. It just
wouldn't open. It's like Adobe has no error handling written
into their software. Once again, up at 1 AM trying to sort out
computer problems. Thank you, Adobe.

Sandman:
Same happened to me on Mac, the splash screen blinked superfast
and then nothing. Nothing in the syslog, nothing anywhere.
Googled, solution was to sign out of CC and then sign back in.
Now it works. Really stupid of Adobe to not check this before
launch.

As I responded yesterday, that is sort of what I did when I quit CC
and then restarted it, no Google needed. Installed without issues.

Well, great, but restarting CC doesn't log you out of it. I restarted it several
times, but I had to go into preferences and press the "log out" button and then
login again, which fixed the problem.

Of course, there might have been something on my system not on yours that led to
this problem for me and not you. After all, I usually have a developer seed of
OSX installed, so it's not like I'm all upset about it

--
Sandman

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:06:19 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-04-22 06:33:26 +0000, Bill W said:

So I decide to download the free CC trial of LR and PS. I realized
that I was getting LR5, but figured I could just update later (the
next day, in fact).

Anyway, to get things going, you have to first download & install the
Creative Cloud Desktop app. But as always, the klutzy Adobe software
takes over. First everything disappears, then dialogue boxes start
popping up telling me to close this or that, and when I close what I
was told to close, everything goes away, and I have to start all over
again. And then after the app is installed, I double click it, and
nothing happens. I discover, though, that if I right click and then
choose "run as administrator", it will open. I finally get LR and PS
installed and running, but now every time I open either one, the CC
app opens and tells me I have 30 days left on my trial. So I click
"continue trial", and the app freezes. Every ****ing time. So now the
Windows message comes up telling me that CC app has stopped
responding, and I tell it to close the program. Thankfully, it closes,
and PS and LR will run properly. But now I want LR 6, and as I should
have expected, it's the same ridiculous crap. I click "check for
updates", and a box pops up telling me there is an update available.
So I click "download", and it takes me to a web page with one sentence
on it that tells me to close LR, launch the CC app, and click
"install". But of course I can't do that, because all the CC app shows
is LR5, and that's already installed. So now I go to Adobe's site, and
find the download link for LR6. And here we go again around in the
same circle telling me to download the installer etc., around and
around and around.

*This* is why I swore I would never use their software again. I'm
calling their support line tomorrow, and they had better have a fix
for this. I'm' sure they will tell me to spend a couple of hours
uninstalling and reinstalling every last bit of their software.

One of the main reasons I wanted LR6 is so I could try the HDR merge.
But noooooo...
---
Okay, after I finished typing this rant, I figure why not try
rebooting the computer before I send this. I do that, and everything
is fixed, and I'm downloading the new LR right now. This is all great,
but it still goes back to Adobe's klutzy software. Why didn't it tell
me to reboot? I install *lots* of software, and the ones that need
rebooting have installers that tell you that you must reboot. Always.
Adobe told me no such thing. I know that there was a time when it was
good policy to always reboot after any changes, but we've moved on
from there long ago. This ain't Windows 3.1 anymore.

Adobe is evil. I swear they are run by Satan himself.

I can't relate to your experience as it does not mirror mine. I have
yet to find a Satanic bent in any of my Adobe stuff.
I installed the CC app when I first subscribed and all has gone
smoothly. Surprisingly so, as have all the subsequent updates.
It is also possible that the Adobe servers were choking on the traffic.
The Kelby severs and the On1 servers had traffic issues with their
introductory features/tutorial webcasts.
I suggest taking a deep breath and try again after a good night's rest.

Okay. Uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting, signing out and in, none
of those worked. I Googled this mess, and found a Mac user with the
same issue. The fix involved deleting some files. I found a folder
with a similar name (I have Win 8), and deleted all of the files with
a date of the last few days. That seems to have fixed LR6. I'm now
again downloading PS, and maybe that will work, too.

I found the HDR process, but I see that it doesn't have a single shot
option. That's easy enough to work around, but I'd still rather not
have to. I noticed that it also has de-ghosting. Have you tried that
yet, and compared to HDR Express? You had mentioned that you were
really impressed with their implementation.

Anyway, no one should have to go through all this crap just to install
someone's software. I want to give them money, and they just keep
tripping me up.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:33:53 -0700, John McWilliams
wrote:

On 4/21/15 PDT 11:33 PM, Bill W wrote:

Okay, after I finished typing this rant, I figure why not try
rebooting the computer before I send this. I do that, and everything
is fixed, and I'm downloading the new LR right now. This is all great,
but it still goes back to Adobe's klutzy software. Why didn't it tell
me to reboot? I install *lots* of software, and the ones that need
rebooting have installers that tell you that you must reboot. Always.
Adobe told me no such thing. I know that there was a time when it was
good policy to always reboot after any changes, but we've moved on
from there long ago. This ain't Windows 3.1 anymore.

Adobe is evil. I swear they are run by Satan himself.

Perhaps it's your O/S that's lacking?

I beg your pardon, sir. My OS is produced by Microsoft, and it is
therefore flawless.

On 2015-04-22 18:53:57 +0000, Bill W said:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:06:19 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Major Snip

I suggest taking a deep breath and try again after a good night's rest.

Okay. Uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting, signing out and in, none
of those worked. I Googled this mess, and found a Mac user with the
same issue. The fix involved deleting some files. I found a folder
with a similar name (I have Win 8), and deleted all of the files with
a date of the last few days. That seems to have fixed LR6. I'm now
again downloading PS, and maybe that will work, too.

OK! At least you have it installed and running.

I found the HDR process, but I see that it doesn't have a single shot
option.

No. I guess the idea is, if you are shooting RAW you should have enough
adjustment headroom in the Develop Module *Basic* panel.

That's easy enough to work around, but I'd still rather not
have to. I noticed that it also has de-ghosting. Have you tried that
yet, and compared to HDR Express?

Yes!

You had mentioned that you were
really impressed with their implementation.

....and I am also impressed with the Lightroom CC/LR6 implementation of
32-bit merge to HDR.

I took the same ghost problem exposure bracket set which impressed me
with *HDR Express* and ran them through the LR CC/6 process.
Here is the HDR Merge Preview set for Medium deghost amount, with "Show
Deghost Overlay" checked showing the areas where correctable ghosting
has been detected:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_121.jpg

....and this is the Preview with deghost set for high.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_122.jpg

and the final result(exported as JPEG) which, since it is processed
fully within Lightroom is produced as a DNG and is fully LR/ACR
adjustable with a massive DR.
https://db.tt/u1RstnpT

Anyway, no one should have to go through all this crap just to install
someone's software. I want to give them money, and they just keep
tripping me up.

The modern man's burden.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-04-22 18:55:13 +0000, Bill W said:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:33:53 -0700, John McWilliams
wrote:

On 4/21/15 PDT 11:33 PM, Bill W wrote:

Okay, after I finished typing this rant, I figure why not try
rebooting the computer before I send this. I do that, and everything
is fixed, and I'm downloading the new LR right now. This is all great,
but it still goes back to Adobe's klutzy software. Why didn't it tell
me to reboot? I install *lots* of software, and the ones that need
rebooting have installers that tell you that you must reboot. Always.
Adobe told me no such thing. I know that there was a time when it was
good policy to always reboot after any changes, but we've moved on
from there long ago. This ain't Windows 3.1 anymore.

Adobe is evil. I swear they are run by Satan himself.

Perhaps it's your O/S that's lacking?

I beg your pardon, sir. My OS is produced by Microsoft, and it is
therefore flawless.

Happily I didn't have any liquid beverage in my mouth to spew over my
keyboard & display at that response. ;-)

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-04-22 20:55:41 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2015-04-22 18:53:57 +0000, Bill W said:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:06:19 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Major Snip

I suggest taking a deep breath and try again after a good night's rest.

Okay. Uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting, signing out and in, none
of those worked. I Googled this mess, and found a Mac user with the
same issue. The fix involved deleting some files. I found a folder
with a similar name (I have Win 8), and deleted all of the files with
a date of the last few days. That seems to have fixed LR6. I'm now
again downloading PS, and maybe that will work, too.

OK! At least you have it installed and running.

I found the HDR process, but I see that it doesn't have a single shot
option.

No. I guess the idea is, if you are shooting RAW you should have enough
adjustment headroom in the Develop Module *Basic* panel.

That's easy enough to work around, but I'd still rather not
have to. I noticed that it also has de-ghosting. Have you tried that
yet, and compared to HDR Express?

Yes!

You had mentioned that you were
really impressed with their implementation.

...and I am also impressed with the Lightroom CC/LR6 implementation of
32-bit merge to HDR.

I took the same ghost problem exposure bracket set which impressed me
with *HDR Express* and ran them through the LR CC/6 process.
Here is the HDR Merge Preview set for Medium deghost amount, with "Show
Deghost Overlay" checked showing the areas where correctable ghosting
has been detected:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_121.jpg

...and this is the Preview with deghost set for high.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_122.jpg

and the final result(exported as JPEG) which, since it is processed
fully within Lightroom is produced as a DNG and is fully LR/ACR
adjustable with a massive DR.
https://db.tt/u1RstnpT

...and just to make sure it is consistent, here is another:
https://db.tt/UFEfg4Ot

Now I am wondering why I spent that money on HDR Express. Oh well...

Anyway, no one should have to go through all this crap just to install
someone's software. I want to give them money, and they just keep
tripping me up.

The modern man's burden.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:32:49 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-04-22 20:55:41 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2015-04-22 18:53:57 +0000, Bill W said:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:06:19 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Major Snip

I suggest taking a deep breath and try again after a good night's rest.

Okay. Uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting, signing out and in, none
of those worked. I Googled this mess, and found a Mac user with the
same issue. The fix involved deleting some files. I found a folder
with a similar name (I have Win 8), and deleted all of the files with
a date of the last few days. That seems to have fixed LR6. I'm now
again downloading PS, and maybe that will work, too.

OK! At least you have it installed and running.

I found the HDR process, but I see that it doesn't have a single shot
option.

No. I guess the idea is, if you are shooting RAW you should have enough
adjustment headroom in the Develop Module *Basic* panel.

That's easy enough to work around, but I'd still rather not
have to. I noticed that it also has de-ghosting. Have you tried that
yet, and compared to HDR Express?

Yes!

You had mentioned that you were
really impressed with their implementation.

...and I am also impressed with the Lightroom CC/LR6 implementation of
32-bit merge to HDR.

I took the same ghost problem exposure bracket set which impressed me
with *HDR Express* and ran them through the LR CC/6 process.
Here is the HDR Merge Preview set for Medium deghost amount, with "Show
Deghost Overlay" checked showing the areas where correctable ghosting
has been detected:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_121.jpg

...and this is the Preview with deghost set for high.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_122.jpg

and the final result(exported as JPEG) which, since it is processed
fully within Lightroom is produced as a DNG and is fully LR/ACR
adjustable with a massive DR.
https://db.tt/u1RstnpT

..and just to make sure it is consistent, here is another:
https://db.tt/UFEfg4Ot

Now I am wondering why I spent that money on HDR Express. Oh well...

I like both examples - neither looks at all HDR-ish. Subtle is good.

HDR Express is still replying to me, but their last response is that
engineering is looking into the problem. They have no idea what is
causing it right now. But that means I haven't paid for it yet, and
might not. And I'm going to assume that some LR update will include
one-shot HDR, just to save me some time. And $80 = 8 months of CC.

On 2015-04-22 22:35:28 +0000, Bill W said:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:32:49 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-04-22 20:55:41 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2015-04-22 18:53:57 +0000, Bill W said:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:06:19 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Major Snip

I suggest taking a deep breath and try again after a good night's rest.

Okay. Uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting, signing out and in, none
of those worked. I Googled this mess, and found a Mac user with the
same issue. The fix involved deleting some files. I found a folder
with a similar name (I have Win 8), and deleted all of the files with
a date of the last few days. That seems to have fixed LR6. I'm now
again downloading PS, and maybe that will work, too.

OK! At least you have it installed and running.

I found the HDR process, but I see that it doesn't have a single shot
option.

No. I guess the idea is, if you are shooting RAW you should have enough
adjustment headroom in the Develop Module *Basic* panel.

That's easy enough to work around, but I'd still rather not
have to. I noticed that it also has de-ghosting. Have you tried that
yet, and compared to HDR Express?

Yes!

You had mentioned that you were
really impressed with their implementation.

...and I am also impressed with the Lightroom CC/LR6 implementation of
32-bit merge to HDR.

I took the same ghost problem exposure bracket set which impressed me
with *HDR Express* and ran them through the LR CC/6 process.
Here is the HDR Merge Preview set for Medium deghost amount, with "Show
Deghost Overlay" checked showing the areas where correctable ghosting
has been detected:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_121.jpg

...and this is the Preview with deghost set for high.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_122.jpg

and the final result(exported as JPEG) which, since it is processed
fully within Lightroom is produced as a DNG and is fully LR/ACR
adjustable with a massive DR.
https://db.tt/u1RstnpT

..and just to make sure it is consistent, here is another:
https://db.tt/UFEfg4Ot

Now I am wondering why I spent that money on HDR Express. Oh well...

I like both examples - neither looks at all HDR-ish. Subtle is good.

HDR Express is still replying to me, but their last response is that
engineering is looking into the problem. They have no idea what is
causing it right now. But that means I haven't paid for it yet, and
might not. And I'm going to assume that some LR update will include
one-shot HDR, just to save me some time. And $80 = 8 months of CC.

There you go.

....and to think I have already spent both cash allocations. :-(

--
Regards,

Savageduck