Printing w/o easel

Steven Woody wrote:
On Feb 16, 2:03 pm, mike odonoghue wrote:

Steven Woody wrote:

hi,

on a thread of photo.net, i saw an article which instroduced a method
of printing w/o easel, it seems interesting to me, but i believe i am
not well understood what she said. can anyone please unfold the
details to me? thanks.

"I have a easel, but I don't use it since I read somewhere about this
solution that I found very good: With an adesive spray and a piece of
plane wood. Spraying one side of the wood, You get an adesive easel.
You put paper in the adesive side of the piece of wood, expose, and
gentle remove the paper. I found this very practical."

-
woody

Just go out and get an adjustable easel. Forget about sticky stuff and
wet paper under the enlarger light. There are also some quite nice fixed
format easels that are perfectly squared. Why make things complicated?



reason 1: good quality easels are too expensive to afford.
reason 2: i in most time use 120 film, hence the print is exactly
square to which there is no quick easel will fit.

-
woody

1. ebay might be the answer to affordable easels.
2. 120 film — won't fit most paper formats. Print a white border and
trim later.

REavid Nebenzahl wrote:

Simple. I know this works, by the way, because I once
built a similar device to hold film in a process camera.
I drilled holes about 1/8" in diameter on a grid spaced
1/2". It worked great.


Sticky Back was the term used for the film holding
material used in the Process camera work I was employed
at many years ago. I recall those and other sheet films
as being flat and flexible.
I'd be more interested in using a Sticky Easel if DW
FB paper were as flat and flexible as film. I envisage
difficulties in just placing dry warped DW FB paper on
a sticky or vacuumed surface. That's why wet.
Saunders has a line of Single Size easels with narrow
drop-down likely steel frames; 5x7 through 20x24 IIRC.
Have any used those? Dan

wrote

Saunders has a line of Single Size easels with narrow
drop-down likely steel frames; 5x7 through 20x24 IIRC.
Have any used those? Dan

Yes. Work great, though I have only used the 5x7 and 8x10.
Don't know they went larger than 11x14, and TTTT a 20x24"
might be unwieldy. I don't think they are made anymore.
Pretty indestructible so used ones should be no problem

The Ganz Speed-Ezel [?] came in 20x24, along with useful
odd sizes like 3.5 x 5.

Both work equally well in my opinion.

For 20x24 I tape the paper in place with "drafting tape" -
a masking tape with a weak Post-It type adhesive.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

On 17 Feb 2007 03:41:17 -0800,
wrote:

Gregory Blank wrote:

wrote:
Wet paper will lie flat
of it's own accord.

Who wants to work with wet Paper?
--

Not a matter of wanting to work with wet paper.
If paper came out of the box or envelope FLAT that
would be fine. A well dampened sheet will lie FLAT
with NO assistance. Think pancake.
Processing single-tray means no additional are
are needed. After a soak of a couple of minutes
sponge dry and place on the pre-positioned
support. Dan



February 19, 2007, from Lloyd Erlick,

Is the pre-positioned support a flat piece of
something like plastic that can simply be
lifted to carry the sheet to the processing
tray, support and all ... ?? Or is it the
tray itself, with the wet sheet placed on the
bottom of the empty tray? Does the face of
the sheet have to be wet (and hence sponged
off, with all the grit for scratches and
contaminants in the sponge and left-behind
droplets to distort the image) or is it easy
to wet the tray or support just enough to
grab the back of the print with no wetness on
the face?

Well, that's not a well written paragraph but
you get the idea.

regards,
--le
________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website: www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email:
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Lloyd Erlick Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com wrote:

Is the pre-positioned support a flat piece
of something like plastic that can simply be
lifted to carry the sheet to the processing
tray, support and all ... ??


A method I've developed calls for pre-wetting the paper in
the processing tray. Remember, I process single tray. The
drained paper is placed on counter and sponged front back
front. Then it is lifted and set upon the prepositioned support.
The support has a back and or side rail; actually at this time
a Saunders borderless 8x10 with the adjustable end guides
removed. I have thought of using a support which
incorporates a wetable surface.


... to wet the ...support just enough to
grab the back of the print with no wetness
on the face?


I'd say no. The paper needs to be completely relaxed.
But a moistened support may be a good idea. That or a left
wet paper side. Just last night I noticed while re-wetting some
prints for corrugated stack drying using hydrophobic separator
sheets that some very little lifting at the edges of a sheet can
remain even if the paper has been soaked for a few minutes.
Perhaps the manufacture of the paper leaves some
internal areas of stress?

BTW, I've been conducting press weighting experiments.
That is, how many books or whatever are needed to produce
Maximum Flat. So far not so much as I once thought and
with the test currently under way I may find that Much
less weight will do. Dan


Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website:www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email:

On Feb 19, 4:49 pm, wrote:

BTW, I've been conducting press weighting experiments.
That is, how many books or whatever are needed to produce
Maximum Flat. So far not so much as I once thought and
with the test currently under way I may find that Much
less weight will do. Dan


Two short stacks, four issues each of just the right size
magazines for full coverage, yielded a bunch of clean flat prints.
Total weight was six lbs or four lbs per square foot on the 12x
18 inch Corrugated Board stack dryer. Six days BTW.
I've another bunch to dry, 5x7s and 8x10s. I'll bring the weight
down by one issue each stack; about three lbs per square foot.
Likely that little is close to minimum. I know some weight is
necessary because the Corrugated Board, weighing nearly
nothing, does not snug down upon the prints. Dan

In article .com,
wrote:

I'd be more interested in using a Sticky Easel if DW
FB paper were as flat and flexible as film. I envisage
difficulties in just placing dry warped DW FB paper on
a sticky or vacuumed surface. That's why wet.

Vacuum easels work fine with double weight fibre base paper
straight from the envelope or box. No need to get the dry side
of your darkroom all soggy.

--
Thor Lancelot Simon
"All of my opinions are consistent, but I cannot present them all
at once." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau, On The Social Contract

In article ,
darkroommike wrote:

I often thought if I could get a piece of the material that
air hockey tables are made from I would try making a home
easel.

Been there, done that, got the fogged paper to prove it. Air
hockey tables are made from shiny stainless steel. Paint not
only doesn't stick to the stuff well, it will clog up the
holes and make the easel useless.

--
Thor Lancelot Simon
"All of my opinions are consistent, but I cannot present them all
at once." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau, On The Social Contract

darkroommike wrote:
I often thought if I could get a piece of the material that
air hockey tables are made from I would try making a home
easel.

Process cameras have vacuum backs for holding the film. Not
all of them are in landfills, yet.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com