Ping Tony Cooper

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 05:34:35 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 12:07:39 UTC+1, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

I mean he could have been talking about the Senova D70 but most people here I
would think would think oh he means the Nikon D70 unless of course there's a
canon or any other D70.

canon and nikon made a d60.

do they I thought they were D60 not d.

canon and sigma made an sd10 (not that anyone cares about the latter).
there are others.

both SD10 too.

In my world the case can be important you have m or M m is for milli, M is for Meg. only about 1,000 million apart

I remmeber the first digital camera I used was a ricoh 300,000 pixels was the advert.


And a friend of mine was interested in slrs at school but was never allowed under UK law to buy them. He was shocked when I said I'd brought an slr.
He thought I'd brought a self loading rifle.
in my job TTL is Transistor to Transistor logic in the camera world it was Through the lens metering.

What about TTFN?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:47:59 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.


Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use context.


Case in point, two examples which incorporate context:

I have a 60mm lens which was bought for and dedicated to a specific photographic
use. For my application, is it "long" or "short" lens? Provide the correct answer
with the rationale for why.

Similarly, a very well known 35mm film camera I bought years ago came bundled
with a 35mm lens. For its primary intended application, how was it considered
in these terms? Again, provide the correct answer with supportable rationale for why.


-hh

In article , -hh
wrote:



could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.

Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use
context.

use context does not matter.

a long lens does not become not long because someone uses it in a
different manner.

the definition is clear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT), -hh
wrote:

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


could you give me a definition of a long lens.

It depends on what is being photographed.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does. I this context 'long' is a value judgement and it depends
on the viewpoint of the person describing a lens as 'long'.

focal length is not a value judgement. it's a physical attribute of a
lens.


Bzzzt!
Thanks for playing, but Eric wasn't talking in millimeters, but in a use context.

You have to wonder how nospam mind works. He's been around a
photography group for yonks. He knows - you know he does - what
people mean when they refer to a "long lens". He knows - he couldn't
help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens. He must have picked up that one
person's long lens is not necessarily some other person's long lens,
but both have a long lens in their bag. He surely must know that the
choice of what long lens to buy is largely based on what you intend to
photograph. And, of course, cost.

He must know that no one will agree with him, that he's not informing
anyone of anything, and that there's no point to his comment...but he
persists.

How desperate for attention must he be?
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens.

it's not relative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.

He must have picked up that one
person's long lens is not necessarily some other person's long lens,

false.


but both have a long lens in their bag. He surely must know that the
choice of what long lens to buy is largely based on what you intend to
photograph. And, of course, cost.

nobody said anything about which lenses to purchase or which lenses are
in someone's bag.

you are once again moving the goalposts and arguing against what was
never said.

that's incredibly sleazy.

He must know that no one will agree with him, that he's not informing
anyone of anything, and that there's no point to his comment...but he
persists.

How desperate for attention must he be?

yet another attack.

that makes you the one who is desperate for attention.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:18:05 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens.

it's not relative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.

you are once again moving the goalposts and arguing against what was
never said.

Nope. The discussion is about the term "long lens", not "long-focus
lens". You have tried to divert it to this, but is isn't working.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

help but know - that "long lens" is relative term and not a physical
attribute description of the lens.

it's not relative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-focus_lens
In photography, a long-focus lens is a camera lens which has a focal
length that is longer than the diagonal measure of the film or sensor
that receives its image.

you are once again moving the goalposts and arguing against what was
never said.

Nope. The discussion is about the term "long lens", not "long-focus
lens".

nope. they are equivalent terms.

long lenses are also called telephoto lenses, although that actually
has a specific meaning.

You have tried to divert it to this, but is isn't working.

if anyone is trying to divert it, it would be you.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:53:01 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:58:08 UTC+1, Tony Cooper wrote:



Some features are "nice", but not really essential to me. It can't
hurt to have 30 fps capability, but I can't see that it's something
that would affect my buying decision. Certainly I want and use burst,
but I'd be happy to move up to 10 or 12. The 5 or 6 I now have hasn't
been a problem upper limit.

In baseball, if you want a good photo of the batter,

In the UK batter is something your fish is coated in before deep frying ;-)

Civil engineers also know it as the slope you put into the side of an
earthenware wall.

you want to catch
the ball in the frame and preferably the ball just as the bat
connects. With a 30 fps burst, the photographer can start the
sequence early and have a good chance of getting that shot.

If you're even cleverer you can shoot the whole match/game in video using a remote connecton to watch, that way you can sit in the bar having a drink and not have to watch it live, instead get dead drunk :-)


With a 5 fps burst, the photographer's timing has to be better.

Like in the days of film, and you'd have to be an even better photographer in the days of glass plates .




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Regards,

Eric Stevens