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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
On 26 Feb 2015 16:02:41 GMT, Whiskers
wrote: On 2015-02-26, Sandman wrote: Konost is going to release a full frame digital rangefinder camera in 2016 http://konost.com/?page_id=6654 Dubbing it the "The World?s First True Digital Rangefinder", which seems to be in relation to the rangefinder is also a digital sensor. It looks a bit neat, and will take Leica lenses, so.. your move, Leica? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xCskVNOZQ Certainly interesting. Any camera that returns the controls to the fundamental basics is to be encouraged. Not clear whether or not there is a mechanical link between the camera's focusing electronics and the focusing mechanism of the lens; if there is, then the cost of making and calibrating the system may not be significantly less than Leica's wholly optical/mechanical rangefinder. If the connection is electronic, then lens interchangeability with existing rangefinder lenses will be limited. The problem with traditional range finder cameras was that they did not change the field of view in the eye piece with a change of lens. This gave rise to attachments such as http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Leica_IIIf_50mm_f1.5.jpg Taking a photograph with anything but a standard 50mm lense became that much more complicated as a result. I would hope a modern camera could automatically make the necessary compensation electronically through the view finder. The immediate competition for this project may be the likes of the Fujifilm X100T rather than the Leica M series. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:48:01 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote: In article , Sandman says... Konost is going to release a full frame digital rangefinder camera in 2016 http://konost.com/?page_id=6654 Dubbing it the "The World?s First True Digital Rangefinder", which seems to be in relation to the rangefinder is also a digital sensor. It looks a bit neat, and will take Leica lenses, so.. your move, Leica? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xCskVNOZQ Wha can't they add autofocus? Either contrast based or on-sensor phase AF. Rangefinder is a thing of the past, when autofocus wasn't possible in a non-SLR camera. For my part, I would love my SLR to have available some variation of an old-fashioned split-image ground glass for precision manual focussing. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
In article , Bill W
wrote: Konost is going to release a full frame digital rangefinder camera in 2016 http://konost.com/?page_id=6654 Dubbing it the "The World’s First True Digital Rangefinder", which seems to be in relation to the rangefinder is also a digital sensor. It looks a bit neat, and will take Leica lenses, so.. your move, Leica? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xCskVNOZQ As others have said, it probably has no chance. From their site: "The Konost Camera aims to bring back the lost experience of photography- taking time to think, focus and compose before taking the perfect image." nothing has been lost. that claim is pure bull****. today's cameras can do exactly that, *plus* a whole lot more. anyone can take as much time as they want for any photo, no matter what camera they have. That's all very nice, as long as the only thing you ever do is static shots, with plenty of time to get things set. Worse yet, who *wants* to take the time "to think, focus and compose", and why would that assure the "perfect image"? Or even any improvement over what comes from any other quality camera? even not so static shots. nothing stops anyone from taking as much time as they want, regardless of subject. plus, what these idiots forget is by letting the camera take care of the details, the photographer actually has *more* time to spend on the composition and lighting and other aspects. Either way, if you're into that stuff, today's cameras have an 'M' setting on that dial. and also turn off manual focus and stabilization. bonus points for using old lenses that have no electronic coupling, forcing you to use a handheld meter. also be sure to use 512 meg cards because they hold about as much as a single roll of film would, and only bring one or two cards, because that's all the film anyone would have brought. Maybe if they sell it as a novelty for $100. Or $10,000 for those who must have the "exclusive" gear. a full frame camera for $100 would definitely sell. |
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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: For my part, I would love my SLR to have available some variation of an old-fashioned split-image ground glass for precision manual focussing. what for, when live view is *far* more accurate and *far* more flexible?? nevertheless, there are such screens available for some slrs. unfortunately, there are significant drawbacks with modern lenses. |
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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:06:08 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: For my part, I would love my SLR to have available some variation of an old-fashioned split-image ground glass for precision manual focussing. what for, when live view is *far* more accurate and *far* more flexible?? Either you have never used such a screen or you are joking. nevertheless, there are such screens available for some slrs. unfortunately, there are significant drawbacks with modern lenses. Not for the D750 I understand. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: For my part, I would love my SLR to have available some variation of an old-fashioned split-image ground glass for precision manual focussing. what for, when live view is *far* more accurate and *far* more flexible?? Either you have never used such a screen or you are joking. wrong on both. manual focus with live view is so much better it's not even funny. there's *no* going back. plus, if the camera has a tilt/swivel display and/or the ability to use an external display, it's even *more* powerful. macro work does not often offer comfortable vantage points and not being restricted to the viewfinder is fantastic. not only that, but because it's focusing off the actual sensor that will be taking the photo, there will *never* be alignment issues. ever. nevertheless, there are such screens available for some slrs. unfortunately, there are significant drawbacks with modern lenses. Not for the D750 I understand. d1, d2h/hs/xs and d3 could: https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9288#D3 |
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First true rangefinder
In article , nospam wrote:
Sandman: Nikon recently released the "Df", which was meant to be a photographers camera, where you would (or at least on paper, could) get more hands-on access to the controls. the best hands-on access are control wheels under the user's fingers, not a shutter knob on top and aperture ring on the lens. I agree about the shutter knob, but I rather like aperture controls on the lens. To each his own. The Df combined it though, and you can use either, but not seamlessly enough. The shutter knob can be set to "1/3 steps" leaving control over to the finger dial, but there is no "auto" on the ISO knob. -- Sandman |
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In article , nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens Eric Stevens: For my part, I would love my SLR to have available some variation of an old-fashioned split-image ground glass for precision manual focussing. nospam: what for, when live view is *far* more accurate and *far* more flexible?? Eric Stevens: Either you have never used such a screen or you are joking. wrong on both. manual focus with live view is so much better it's not even funny. there's *no* going back. On a SLR, using live view for focusing is a very cumbersome process, where you have to remove the camera from your eye, press a live view button, then use the magnifying button to zoom in on the live view, all the while holding a heavy camera with maybe a heavy lens almost at arms length. The only time I use live view for focusing is when I record video using a tripod (in the studio). Otherwise, I always use the optical viewfinder and the focus indicator. A focusing screen would be quite helpful at times. plus, if the camera has a tilt/swivel display and/or the ability to use an external display, it's even *more* powerful. macro work does not often offer comfortable vantage points and not being restricted to the viewfinder is fantastic. Sure, there are places where the live view is awesome, but for most shots - at least for me - it isn't. Now, the EVF in my Sony A7 is pretty awesome in this regard, since it also has focus peaking, which is really accurate. And the EVF is currently one of the best ones, even though I still prefer a OVF. -- Sandman |
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In article , Bill W wrote:
Sandman: Konost is going to release a full frame digital rangefinder camera in 2016 http://konost.com/?page_id=6654 Dubbing it the "The World’s First True Digital Rangefinder", which seems to be in relation to the rangefinder is also a digital sensor. It looks a bit neat, and will take Leica lenses, so.. your move, Leica? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xCskVNOZQ As others have said, it probably has no chance. From their site: "The Konost Camera aims to bring back the lost experience of photography- taking time to think, focus and compose before taking the perfect image." That's all very nice, as long as the only thing you ever do is static shots, with plenty of time to get things set. Worse yet, who *wants* to take the time "to think, focus and compose", and why would that assure the "perfect image"? Or even any improvement over what comes from any other quality camera? Either way, if you're into that stuff, today's cameras have an 'M' setting on that dial. I agree with all of the above, and most cameras have a manual setting today for those that are so inclined. But there has been a "retro" trend for years now, and I suppose this is just another step in that direction. As I said in another post, I use most of my cameras only in fully manual mode (but I do utilize autofocus when available), so I can totally relate to the "bare metal" feel such a camera could provide. I wouldn't buy it though, I have no need for neither a rangefinder or another non-F-mount camera. -- Sandman |
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First "true" digital rangefinder camera
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:38:11 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: For my part, I would love my SLR to have available some variation of an old-fashioned split-image ground glass for precision manual focussing. what for, when live view is *far* more accurate and *far* more flexible?? Either you have never used such a screen or you are joking. wrong on both. manual focus with live view is so much better it's not even funny. there's *no* going back. Not so. It hasn't got the acuity. plus, if the camera has a tilt/swivel display and/or the ability to use an external display, it's even *more* powerful. macro work does not often offer comfortable vantage points and not being restricted to the viewfinder is fantastic. not only that, but because it's focusing off the actual sensor that will be taking the photo, there will *never* be alignment issues. ever. But a suitable ground glass screen will tell you more about whether things are in focus or not than any rear display will show. nevertheless, there are such screens available for some slrs. unfortunately, there are significant drawbacks with modern lenses. Not for the D750 I understand. d1, d2h/hs/xs and d3 could: https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9288#D3 Not to mention http://www.focusingscreen.com/work/d800en.htm and several others. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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