"Shoot In" Permanently Gone?

Hello, all:

I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after roughly 10
years of existence). Will it be replaced or resurrected, anytime
soon?

Just wondering!

(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

John

On 3/23/2014 8:23 PM, John Turco wrote:
Hello, all:

I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after roughly 10
years of existence). Will it be replaced or resurrected, anytime
soon?

Just wondering!

(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

John

We need someone willing to organize and run it. The last two folks were
quite good, but it really takes time and dedication. It also takes
active participation, where members of the group are willing to submit,
and give honest comments,

--
PeterN

In article , PeterN wrote:

John Turco:
Hello, all:

I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after roughly 10
years of existence). Will it be replaced or resurrected, anytime
soon?

Just wondering!

(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

John

We need someone willing to organize and run it. The last two folks
were quite good, but it really takes time and dedication. It also
takes active participation, where members of the group are willing
to submit, and give honest comments,

Hmmm, I could probably set up a neat web page with galleries for each
theme, and the possibility for comments that get autoposted to rpd in a
summary.

--
Sandman[.net]

On 3/24/2014 7:40 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 24 March 2014 00:23:16 UTC, John Turco wrote:
Hello, all:



I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after roughly 10

years of existence). Will it be replaced or resurrected, anytime

soon?



Just wondering!



(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

Me too, I liked viewing them but found commenting tedious and inefficient and so was less inclined to submit. i.e having no way of linking the comment to the picture rather than them beiong two seprate things in two seprate places made little sense to me.


Some here were mildly chastised for selective commenting. I enjoyed the
mostly honest feedback on my images. There were of course, some who made
negative comments about the concept, but never submitted any images of
their own. Yes I do miss the shootin.



--
PeterN

In article , Tony Cooper wrote:

John Turco:
Hello, all:

I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after
roughly 10 years of existence). Will it be replaced or
resurrected, anytime soon?

Just wondering!

(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

John

PeterN:
We need someone willing to organize and run it. The last two
folks were quite good, but it really takes time and dedication.
It also takes active participation, where members of the group
are willing to submit, and give honest comments,

Sandman:
Hmmm, I could probably set up a neat web page with galleries for
each theme, and the possibility for comments that get autoposted
to rpd in a summary.

The "Shoot-In" died because of lack of participation, not a need for
a host site. Not enough people submitted images, and very few
comments were made about the images that were submitted.

Yeah, that may be true. Maybe the disconnect between usenet/web made it
awkward to comment? Maybe you could have added a rating system to it?

The idea that popped up in my mind was that the gallery would have a
comment and rating function, and you could auto-submit the comments and/or
ratings to rpd directly from the site, so you'd get a post with the subject
"Comments from Tony Cooper" and then each and every comment had the photo
name and a link to it along with any rating as well.

But yeah, perhaps participation wouldn't increase, really


--
Sandman[.net]

On 2014-03-24 15:39:12 +0000, Sandman said:

In article , Tony Cooper wrote:

John Turco:
Hello, all:

I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after
roughly 10 years of existence). Will it be replaced or
resurrected, anytime soon?

Just wondering!

(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

John

PeterN:
We need someone willing to organize and run it. The last two
folks were quite good, but it really takes time and dedication.
It also takes active participation, where members of the group
are willing to submit, and give honest comments,

Sandman:
Hmmm, I could probably set up a neat web page with galleries for
each theme, and the possibility for comments that get autoposted
to rpd in a summary.

The "Shoot-In" died because of lack of participation, not a need for
a host site. Not enough people submitted images, and very few
comments were made about the images that were submitted.

Yeah, that may be true.

Participation was the major issue. The SI withered down to a core of 4
or 5 regulars, and a handful of casual participants. Even among the
regulars a sense of ennui had descended on the whole thing,
particularly with some of the recent uninspiring mandates. As much as
part of the thing was to meet the challenge of a mandate which took you
out of your comfort zone, for me anyway, there was this sense that I
had other stuff to do.

It seemed that no matter how much we tried to promote and encourage
participation we could never get more than one or two extras to the
group each month. This was true for some of the most vocal of the usual
suspects in the photo news groups. Too many of them refused to rise to
the challenge of the SI, I suspect it was because they didn't want to
expose themselves to any criticism, constructive, critical or otherwise.

Maybe the disconnect between usenet/web made it
awkward to comment? Maybe you could have added a rating system to it?

That might be true if it was a case of writing comments in the gushing
"Wow!" praise style of those found in some of the sharing sites such as
Flickr. However, what we were trying to do was provide constructive
criticism along with acknowledgment of good work and give reasons for
our opinions. That is a tougher task, and only a few of us took the
trouble to give that attention to each of the shots submitted. To do
that properly takes a fair about of work, and not that many cared to
invest that sort of time and effort.

I did my best to comment on each submission, and many times I felt like
I was the only one making the effort, even though Tony was usually
there with his take on things.

The idea that popped up in my mind was that the gallery would have a
comment and rating function, and you could auto-submit the comments and/or
ratings to rpd directly from the site, so you'd get a post with the subject
"Comments from Tony Cooper" and then each and every comment had the photo
name and a link to it along with any rating as well.

That sounds very much like the sort of participation, rating, and
comments found in the Google+ photography circles along with their
various photo challenges.

But yeah, perhaps participation wouldn't increase, really


--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2014032409302698877-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:

Participation was the major issue. The SI withered down to a core of
4 or 5 regulars, and a handful of casual participants. Even among
the regulars a sense of ennui had descended on the whole thing,
particularly with some of the recent uninspiring mandates. As much
as part of the thing was to meet the challenge of a mandate which
took you out of your comfort zone, for me anyway, there was this
sense that I had other stuff to do.

It seemed that no matter how much we tried to promote and encourage
participation we could never get more than one or two extras to the
group each month. This was true for some of the most vocal of the
usual suspects in the photo news groups. Too many of them refused to
rise to the challenge of the SI, I suspect it was because they
didn't want to expose themselves to any criticism, constructive,
critical or otherwise.

I never saw much actual criticism though, but sure, that could have been a
reason.

Sandman:
The idea that popped up in my mind was that the gallery would have
a comment and rating function, and you could auto-submit the
comments and/or ratings to rpd directly from the site, so you'd
get a post with the subject "Comments from Tony Cooper" and then
each and every comment had the photo name and a link to it along
with any rating as well.

That sounds very much like the sort of participation, rating, and
comments found in the Google+ photography circles along with their
various photo challenges.

Which, I take it, is not something you'd endorse


--
Sandman[.net]

In article , Tony Cooper wrote:

Sandman:
Yeah, that may be true. Maybe the disconnect between usenet/web
made it awkward to comment? Maybe you could have added a rating
system to it?

The idea that popped up in my mind was that the gallery would have
a comment and rating function, and you could auto-submit the
comments and/or ratings to rpd directly from the site, so you'd
get a post with the subject "Comments from Tony Cooper" and then
each and every comment had the photo name and a link to it along
with any rating as well.

That would be a better system. Much better. When comments did
appear, they were in several threads and posts, and it was difficult
to relate the comment to the image.

I dunno that we want ratings, though. Just comments. The idea
wasn't to have a "winner". It was to provide a showcase for images.
A competitive aspect might not be welcome.

Yes, of course, I was being unclear. I meant rating from Tony Cooper as he
saw the images. Not as a summary of all opinins, nor as a summary of Tony's
opinions on the pictures he just commented on (which of course, one could
glean from the info still, though). I thought something in the lines of
this:

Subject: SI/2014-01, Comments from Tony Cooper

Gallery: link

1. "Happy Place" by Sandman
link
Rating: 3/5

I like this style, really, but I think it could have used a bt less post in
terms of HDR-like contrasts and things like that.

2. "Me and myself" by Eric Stevens
link
Rating: 4/5

This is better than your last one, I think bla bla bla...

And so on. Sure - one could look at the entire post and see what photos you
liked the most and the least, but that should be as obvious when reading
your comments as well.

And why not have a SI-summary of all comments at the end of a period, just
as a reminder and to re-engage the people in the group.

The Shoot-Ins used a theme or mandate. That was good, in my
opinion, because it got people to look for shots that fit the
mandate and not just link to some archive shot.

Sure, I would have no problem coming up with themes for photo galleries,
and I'm sure others could have opinions as well.

In fact - I could write 12 themes beforehand and have the script auto-post
reminders and comments without me lifting another finger I love
automation

There's the matter of authentication, though. You could have a link in rpd
that links to the gallery, where you could "log in" by just submitting your
rpd email, at which point an account would be created for you, which you
need to comment and post submissions.

So, you'd post submission via the web page, not to a person. The
submissions would be auto-resized and put in the right shoot-in and then
grouped by submitter.

Question is, would people really want the entire account-creating step
though. Dunno if there is an easier way.

Sandman:
But yeah, perhaps participation wouldn't increase, really

Don't know until it's tried.

Maybe I'll set it up when I get back from Florida.


--
Sandman[.net]

On 2014-03-24 18:58:54 +0000, Sandman said:

In article 2014032409302698877-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:

Participation was the major issue. The SI withered down to a core of
4 or 5 regulars, and a handful of casual participants. Even among
the regulars a sense of ennui had descended on the whole thing,
particularly with some of the recent uninspiring mandates. As much
as part of the thing was to meet the challenge of a mandate which
took you out of your comfort zone, for me anyway, there was this
sense that I had other stuff to do.

It seemed that no matter how much we tried to promote and encourage
participation we could never get more than one or two extras to the
group each month. This was true for some of the most vocal of the
usual suspects in the photo news groups. Too many of them refused to
rise to the challenge of the SI, I suspect it was because they
didn't want to expose themselves to any criticism, constructive,
critical or otherwise.

I never saw much actual criticism though,

....and that was always a big issue. We never intended for any of the
comments to be scathing criticism, but constructive criticism, and
acknowledgment of good work. Those of us who did comment did our best
to step away from any animosity, but we would call shooters on
questionable work, and try to make suggestions for a fix.

but sure, that could have been a reason.

....but not a rational one by those who didn't participate and were also
critical of the whole concept of the SI. Most of the comments were
pretty benign. For example here are some of my comments from July 2013.
I also include a link to the pbase gallery for that mandate:

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/bbq_outdoor_cooking


PhotoPhartz:
1: Nice capture of a community holiday cookout in the park, or wherever
that shore side location is. I just wonder if you might have found a
slightly different position, or isolate the central group who seem to
be actively engaged in the art of outdoor cooking.
2: ...and there they are, actively engaged in the art of outdoor cooking
3: Nice burger, plus detail insert. That is a first for the SI.

Bob Flint:
1: MOLSON!! Ok! I know it's a beer for the burger you are woking on, but...
2: That is a clean grill. Was that just good outdoor kitchen sanitary
practice, or was it a virgin grill?
....and was that the sacrificial burger?
3: The result, burger & beer. I know you are classy guy Bob, but this
is where the paper plate would have been appropriate. ;-)

Savageduck (yours truly):
1: The Rib Line is one of several rib, tri-tip operations at the San
Luis Obispo Farmers market every Thursday. They start cooking quite
early, and by 6PM there are folks lined up for ribs and/or tri-tip
sandwiches. This was shot before the crowds arrived.
2: The server had his "Uncle Sam" hat on for the 4th of July.
3: I took several shots of this pizza oven and I just couldn't get a
good angle to get what I wanted, so this was a bit of a compromise with
some of the chimney cropped. I had to find a way of including it, as
the concept of a traveling pizza oven is so different from the usual
grill, smokehouse fare.

Otter:
1: I expected nothing less than one of your local joints, but just how
much actual outdoor cooking do they do there?
2: Now you're cookin' !! Chicken, brisket, sausage, & something
unidentifiable, all looking very tempting.
3: The meat looks good, but Rudy needs to get a better supplier of
bread. That bread looks unappealing.

Bowser:
1: There it is. Perhaps the only thing to improve that scenario would
be to have you holding it through a window with the rain pouring down
outside.
2: Aah! A New England Summer.
3: Fourth of July cookout. The perfect way to spend the day, family
friends, and burgers.

Peter Newman:
1: Nice capture, but where exactly was this cooked outdoors? ;-)
2: Coney Island & Nathans, portable food for NYC. I have a feeling that
the PeterN touch on this might raise a few conservative eyebrows.
3: I like the neat capture of the "Lady in White", but the context of
her patient wait seems to be lost.
Then there are the "porta-potties" in the background. ;-(


Sandman:
The idea that popped up in my mind was that the gallery would have
a comment and rating function, and you could auto-submit the
comments and/or ratings to rpd directly from the site, so you'd
get a post with the subject "Comments from Tony Cooper" and then
each and every comment had the photo name and a link to it along
with any rating as well.

That sounds very much like the sort of participation, rating, and
comments found in the Google+ photography circles along with their
various photo challenges.

Which, I take it, is not something you'd endorse

Alan Browne, Paul Furman, and I have G+ accounts and explored the
practicality of setting up an SI type thing there, about 3-4 years ago.
The possibility exists by setting up a dedicated SI Circle, but there
seemed to be even less enthusiasm among the original
rec.photo.equipment.35mm SI participants for G+ than there was in the
last year.

The other thing was a G+ version of the SI had the potential for
becoming cluttered very quickly. That was back when G+ had just started
up, it might be possible to put something a bit more refined together
there now.

G+ Photography circles already has several theme based weekly exercises.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

"Whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 24 March 2014 00:23:16 UTC, John Turco wrote:
Hello, all:



I'm aware of the recent demise of the "Shoot In" (after roughly 10

years of existence). Will it be replaced or resurrected, anytime

soon?



Just wondering!



(Note: I never entered the Shoot In.)

Me too, I liked viewing them but found commenting tedious and inefficient
and so was less inclined to submit. i.e having no way of linking the
comment to the picture rather than them beiong two seprate things in two
seprate places made little sense to me.

At least the discuions, flames, pointless arguments and everything else on
here is in the same place has an order which can easily be followed if
only the same could be done with photos ;-)


I also miss the shootin. I occasionally submitted, but almost never
commented. I really don't feel qualified to critique, but would like the
opportunity to if I had something to say about a photo. I also enjoyed and
learned from the criticism I received.