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Old October 23rd 07, 11:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Juan Moore Beer
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Hi All,

My real life name is Dan and I am new to your hobby and this newsgroup.

I have been lurking for three or four weeks and have enjoyed much of what
is here.

My newbieness is in the digital arena. I have taken my share of snapshots
but lost most in a recent flood, so I decided to go digital.

I bought a Canon 400D and love it, though I have nothing to compare it to.

A sample photo of the kind I like to take can be found he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15996225@N08/?saved=1

Yeah, I know that the focus is not particularly sharp and the composition
could be better, but I like it so there :-)

My question relates to editing. In general, I like to stick with what I
shoot, but I guess I might like to improve an occasional special shot for
printing.

My kit came with Canon Digital Professional. Is that similar to the
Photoshop products I keep reading about? I can't help thinking that
Photoshop and related products offer much more functionality, but don't
want to buy it if I don't need it.

If different, is Photoshop Essentials the way to go for an amateur?

Thanks for your help.

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Old October 24th 07, 12:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sparky[_3_]
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On Oct 23, 4:50 pm, "Juan Moore Beer" wrote:
Hi All,

My real life name is Dan and I am new to your hobby and this newsgroup.

I have been lurking for three or four weeks and have enjoyed much of what
is here.

My newbieness is in the digital arena. I have taken my share of snapshots
but lost most in a recent flood, so I decided to go digital.

I bought a Canon 400D and love it, though I have nothing to compare it to.

A sample photo of the kind I like to take can be found he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15996225@N08/?saved=1

Yeah, I know that the focus is not particularly sharp and the composition
could be better, but I like it so there :-)

My question relates to editing. In general, I like to stick with what I
shoot, but I guess I might like to improve an occasional special shot for
printing.

My kit came with Canon Digital Professional. Is that similar to the
Photoshop products I keep reading about? I can't help thinking that
Photoshop and related products offer much more functionality, but don't
want to buy it if I don't need it.

If different, is Photoshop Essentials the way to go for an amateur?

Thanks for your help.

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photoshop is really cool, if you know how to use it, but it can be
useful even if you are just experimenting

never used Canon Digital Professional, so i cant exactly tell you
which is better


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Old October 24th 07, 12:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
John McWilliams
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Juan Moore Beer wrote:
Hi All,

My real life name is Dan and I am new to your hobby and this newsgroup.

I have been lurking for three or four weeks and have enjoyed much of what
is here.


Welcome! You must have a high tolerance for pests!

My question relates to editing. In general, I like to stick with what I
shoot, but I guess I might like to improve an occasional special shot for
printing.

My kit came with Canon Digital Professional. Is that similar to the
Photoshop products I keep reading about? I can't help thinking that
Photoshop and related products offer much more functionality, but don't
want to buy it if I don't need it.

If different, is Photoshop Essentials the way to go for an amateur?


In short, yes. You can try it free, as well (as you can with the full
version of PS and Lightroom.) I'd try 'em all and see what you like.

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Old October 24th 07, 02:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Robert Coe
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:38:20 -0700, Sparky wrote:
: On Oct 23, 4:50 pm, "Juan Moore Beer" wrote:
: Hi All,
:
: My real life name is Dan and I am new to your hobby and this newsgroup.
:
: I have been lurking for three or four weeks and have enjoyed much of what
: is here.
:
: My newbieness is in the digital arena. I have taken my share of snapshots
: but lost most in a recent flood, so I decided to go digital.
:
: I bought a Canon 400D and love it, though I have nothing to compare it to.
:
: A sample photo of the kind I like to take can be found he
:
: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15996225@N08/?saved=1
:
: Yeah, I know that the focus is not particularly sharp and the composition
: could be better, but I like it so there :-)
:
: My question relates to editing. In general, I like to stick with what I
: shoot, but I guess I might like to improve an occasional special shot for
: printing.
:
: My kit came with Canon Digital Professional. Is that similar to the
: Photoshop products I keep reading about? I can't help thinking that
: Photoshop and related products offer much more functionality, but don't
: want to buy it if I don't need it.
:
: If different, is Photoshop Essentials the way to go for an amateur?
:
: Thanks for your help.
:
: __________________________________________________ ___________________
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:
: photoshop is really cool, if you know how to use it, but it can be
: useful even if you are just experimenting
:
: never used Canon Digital Professional, so i cant exactly tell you
: which is better

I have used Digital Photo Professional, and I like it a lot (although my wife
is pestering me to get Photoshop Elements for her birthday). The story on DPP
is that it doesn't do very much, but what it does do, it does very well. My
suggestion would be to learn to use DPP and only look elsewhere when you're
pretty sure you've outgrown it. But be sure you have the latest version
(3.0.2.6). I don't think you'll find it on the CD, so you'll have to go to
Canon's Web site to get it.

Bob
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Old October 24th 07, 09:12 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Steven[_2_]
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"Juan Moore Beer" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

My real life name is Dan and I am new to your hobby and this newsgroup.

I have been lurking for three or four weeks and have enjoyed much of what
is here.


Hi Dan, you are a glutten for punishment hanging about here. Far too many
folk not interested in photography and just want to snipe at each other.
Have a look at www.ephotozine.com Great crowd and no abuse.

S.


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Old October 24th 07, 04:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
ray
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:50:45 -0700, Juan Moore Beer wrote:

Hi All,

My real life name is Dan and I am new to your hobby and this newsgroup.

I have been lurking for three or four weeks and have enjoyed much of what
is here.

My newbieness is in the digital arena. I have taken my share of snapshots
but lost most in a recent flood, so I decided to go digital.

I bought a Canon 400D and love it, though I have nothing to compare it to.

A sample photo of the kind I like to take can be found he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15996225@N08/?saved=1

Yeah, I know that the focus is not particularly sharp and the composition
could be better, but I like it so there :-)

My question relates to editing. In general, I like to stick with what I
shoot, but I guess I might like to improve an occasional special shot for
printing.

My kit came with Canon Digital Professional. Is that similar to the
Photoshop products I keep reading about? I can't help thinking that
Photoshop and related products offer much more functionality, but don't
want to buy it if I don't need it.


Before you consider buying photoshop, I'd suggest you try GIMP which is
available for free and offers a lot of the same functionality. I've found
that by shooting RAW and doing basic manipulations in UFRAW (also free)
things generally work out quite quickly and easily.



If different, is Photoshop Essentials the way to go for an amateur?

Thanks for your help.

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Old October 24th 07, 04:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Juan Moore Beer
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Thanks to all. Your advice will help get me started.

There is so much to learn and so little time!

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Old October 27th 07, 02:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Robert Coe
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:20:33 -0600, ray wrote:
: Before you consider buying photoshop, I'd suggest you try GIMP which is
: available for free and offers a lot of the same functionality. I've found
: that by shooting RAW and doing basic manipulations in UFRAW (also free)
: things generally work out quite quickly and easily.

Do those programs handle Canon .CR2 RAW mode correctly, including preserving
Canon's idiosyncratic Exif data?

Bob
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Old October 27th 07, 05:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
ray
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:18:25 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:20:33 -0600, ray wrote:
: Before you consider buying photoshop, I'd suggest you try GIMP which is
: available for free and offers a lot of the same functionality. I've found
: that by shooting RAW and doing basic manipulations in UFRAW (also free)
: things generally work out quite quickly and easily.

Do those programs handle Canon .CR2 RAW mode correctly, including preserving
Canon's idiosyncratic Exif data?

Bob


Since I have a Kodak P850, I have no idea. You could check the ufraw
and/or dcraw web sites.

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Old October 27th 07, 07:06 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Floyd L. Davidson
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Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:20:33 -0600, ray wrote:
: Before you consider buying photoshop, I'd suggest you try GIMP which is
: available for free and offers a lot of the same functionality. I've found
: that by shooting RAW and doing basic manipulations in UFRAW (also free)
: things generally work out quite quickly and easily.

Do those programs handle Canon .CR2 RAW mode correctly, including preserving
Canon's idiosyncratic Exif data?


I haven't looked to see if .CR2 specifically is
supported, but given that UFRAW uses Dave Coffin's
/dcraw/ code, it is safe to say that it works well.

EXIF data might be a different problem though. Again, I
haven't checked to see specifically what happens with
Canon's data. It works well with Nikon EXIF data.

However, I typically convert NEF data files to PPM or
TIFF image files for editing, and only end up with a
JPEG on rare occasions when a webpage or email is the
intended target; and because the intermediate state
doesn't support EXIF data, the final JPEG image has
virtually none of the original data. For that it is
easy enough to use /exiftool/ to do whatever sort of
manipulation is useful.

For example, I have one shell script which adds some
specific comments, such as a copyright notice, to the
EXIF data and at the same time verifies that the
original data is still there, or finds the original .NEF
file and adds all the EXIF data from it to whatever is
there already.

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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
 




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