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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
I want someone to help me to choose the camera.
For about 15-years I have had great passion towards photography, but never used any camera as it is/was costlier for me to afford. I also attended a very very basic photographic class (which is more of film and focal length basics) 10 years ago. At that time some photographers suggested me to buy Nikon SLR. I was collecting money for sometime to buy Nikon SLR and came to know that DSLR is taking the world--so again started collecting money. Now I have some money to buy DSLR. While searching I came to know Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s are competitors and also good for the price. I have high difficulty in choosing the camera as I just have enthusiasm and no knowledge on this. I have also read many reviews including DPreview, but for me it's very very difficult to decide. 1. What is the better among Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s? (I do not have much of money to play with; so I want to buy the best for the money. I hope, being a geek I can easily become pro once I get camera.) 2. Is it *really* true that Canon EOS 350D is cheaper than Nikon D70s? (some sites say Canon kit costs $999 while Nikon kit costs $1,199) 3. It seems that in India, Nikon Thailand make alone is available. Is it advisable to go for Thailand make (if you're suggesting Nikon)? 4. Is there any better version available for these two cameras? Thanks for any help or comments. -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
Really depends on your personal preference - I started out using a Canon F1
SLR and thus all I know is Canon! Here's a great place to review DSLR's http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" wrote in message oups.com... I want someone to help me to choose the camera. For about 15-years I have had great passion towards photography, but never used any camera as it is/was costlier for me to afford. I also attended a very very basic photographic class (which is more of film and focal length basics) 10 years ago. At that time some photographers suggested me to buy Nikon SLR. I was collecting money for sometime to buy Nikon SLR and came to know that DSLR is taking the world--so again started collecting money. Now I have some money to buy DSLR. While searching I came to know Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s are competitors and also good for the price. I have high difficulty in choosing the camera as I just have enthusiasm and no knowledge on this. I have also read many reviews including DPreview, but for me it's very very difficult to decide. 1. What is the better among Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s? (I do not have much of money to play with; so I want to buy the best for the money. I hope, being a geek I can easily become pro once I get camera.) 2. Is it *really* true that Canon EOS 350D is cheaper than Nikon D70s? (some sites say Canon kit costs $999 while Nikon kit costs $1,199) 3. It seems that in India, Nikon Thailand make alone is available. Is it advisable to go for Thailand make (if you're suggesting Nikon)? 4. Is there any better version available for these two cameras? Thanks for any help or comments. -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
I had the Nikon D70 and was happy until I compared photos from the
Canon 350D when shooting in low-light. The Nikon is a very high quality camera with excellent optics BUT has a sensor (made by Sony) with much more noise (speckles) when using a high ISO setting as needed in low light. The Canon sensor (made by Canon) is far superior in the noise category and produces silky smooth images even at ISO 800 and is even usable at ISO 1600 allowing photos in very low light, especially with a fast lens. So, I sold the Nikon and switched to Canon. Suggest the Canon 350D with the 17-85mm IS lens. This lens has a very good 5:1 zoom range and has image stabilization (IS) which you can turn on or off. The IS allows you to hand-hold the camera at 3 stops lower (8 times slower) shutter speed than without IS. You can take photos without flash in much lower light without getting image blur due to normal hand shake. There are some reviews on the internet comparing the Nikon and Canon which show the advantage of the Canon in image comparisons at high ISO. Good luck. Mike R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote: I want someone to help me to choose the camera. For about 15-years I have had great passion towards photography, but never used any camera as it is/was costlier for me to afford. I also attended a very very basic photographic class (which is more of film and focal length basics) 10 years ago. At that time some photographers suggested me to buy Nikon SLR. I was collecting money for sometime to buy Nikon SLR and came to know that DSLR is taking the world--so again started collecting money. Now I have some money to buy DSLR. While searching I came to know Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s are competitors and also good for the price. I have high difficulty in choosing the camera as I just have enthusiasm and no knowledge on this. I have also read many reviews including DPreview, but for me it's very very difficult to decide. 1. What is the better among Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s? (I do not have much of money to play with; so I want to buy the best for the money. I hope, being a geek I can easily become pro once I get camera.) 2. Is it *really* true that Canon EOS 350D is cheaper than Nikon D70s? (some sites say Canon kit costs $999 while Nikon kit costs $1,199) 3. It seems that in India, Nikon Thailand make alone is available. Is it advisable to go for Thailand make (if you're suggesting Nikon)? 4. Is there any better version available for these two cameras? Thanks for any help or comments. -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
I've just returned a 350D I purchased on Thursday.
I simply couldn't get sharp images from it, despite having one of the sharpest lenses made for it (Canon 24-105L IS) fitted. I did a comparison between the Canon 24-105L, with a much cheaper Nikon 24-120, all at f11, shot in RAW, both cameras at ISO 200 and converted with the same sharpening. The Nikon images were sharper out of the camera than the Canon ones after sharpening and the noise in the Canon images at ISO 200 was more noticeable than from the Nikon. I only bought the Canon in a fit of pique because I've not been able to get hold of a Nikon D200. Bad mistake. "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" wrote in message oups.com... I want someone to help me to choose the camera. For about 15-years I have had great passion towards photography, but never used any camera as it is/was costlier for me to afford. I also attended a very very basic photographic class (which is more of film and focal length basics) 10 years ago. At that time some photographers suggested me to buy Nikon SLR. I was collecting money for sometime to buy Nikon SLR and came to know that DSLR is taking the world--so again started collecting money. Now I have some money to buy DSLR. While searching I came to know Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s are competitors and also good for the price. I have high difficulty in choosing the camera as I just have enthusiasm and no knowledge on this. I have also read many reviews including DPreview, but for me it's very very difficult to decide. 1. What is the better among Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s? (I do not have much of money to play with; so I want to buy the best for the money. I hope, being a geek I can easily become pro once I get camera.) 2. Is it *really* true that Canon EOS 350D is cheaper than Nikon D70s? (some sites say Canon kit costs $999 while Nikon kit costs $1,199) 3. It seems that in India, Nikon Thailand make alone is available. Is it advisable to go for Thailand make (if you're suggesting Nikon)? 4. Is there any better version available for these two cameras? Thanks for any help or comments. -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
tough_dog wrote:
I had the Nikon D70 and was happy until I compared photos from the Canon 350D when shooting in low-light. snip (Many thanks for everyone who replied me in this thread.) Thanks for sharing your experience. But, I guess you're supposed to compare Canon 350D with Nikon D70s--not D70 as it's older(?) -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
Bill wrote:
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote: I want someone to help me to choose the camera. 1. What is the better among Canon EOS 350D and Nikon D70s? First I suggest you visit a store and handle the two cameras. How they feel in YOUR hands can be an important factor. Some people don't like the tiny size of the Canon, others don't like the big bulky feel of the Nikon. Yes, this is what I'm reading in every review; some people say Nikon is bulky and hence ergonomic. And, thanks for your advice. I'll try to see it; but last time when I visited the shop, they didn't allow me to see closer as it's quite costlier. Next, concentrate on the handling and features of the body, and optical quality of the kit lenses. There's a big difference between the two. (I do not have much of money to play with; so I want to buy the best for the money. I hope, being a geek I can easily become pro once I get camera.) If you don't intend to buy more lenses for a long time, then I suggest you get the Nikon with the 18-70mm kit lense right now. It's the better deal for optical quality, and it covers most of the common zoom range. Does it mean that I have to buy the lenses separately? You can also consider the lower priced Nikon D50 and get the 18-70mm lense for it. That would perform just as well, but lacks some of the features in the D70s. If you can live without those features, the D50 is a great camera. Today I bought the "Smart Photography" magazine (Indian). And gone through the buyers' guide: Canon EOS 350D: Rs. 56, 995 (Street price: Rs. 39, 000) Nikon D70s : Rs. 55, 000 (Street price: Rs. 37, 000) Nikon D50 : Rs. 55, 400 (Street price: Rs. 32, 000) And, it definitely looks like that D50 is a good alternative. 2. Is it *really* true that Canon EOS 350D is cheaper than Nikon D70s? (some sites say Canon kit costs $999 while Nikon kit costs $1,199) snip Obviously the Nikon 18-70 lense makes a big difference in the kits, hence the price differences and my recommendations. Apologies for my ignorance. Can't we use Nikon lenses with Canon? snip 4. Is there any better version available for these two cameras? That's subjective and difficult to answer. There are many options available, but only you can truly decide which is right for you. This is what every review in the 'net says; but I'm lost as I never used any cameras:-( What do you plan to do with the camera - what kind of pictures? I'm interested to shoot everything--objects, nature, people, etc--for example, scattered sandals near temple, running school boy. -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
Bloggs wrote:
snip I only bought the Canon in a fit of pique because I've not been able to get hold of a Nikon D200. Bad mistake. snip Thanks for sharing your experience. Here D200 costs Rs. 1, 09, 500 and it's double in price as compared to D70s:-( -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
"Bill" wrote: Apologies for my ignorance. Can't we use Nikon lenses with Canon? The two systems use different mounts so they are not immediately compatible. It's like trying to use a Mazda motor in a Ford, they just don't fit together. Some Nikon lenses can be used on Canon cameras (with an adaptor) at the cost of putting up with manual focus and stopped-down metering. No Canon lenses can be used on Nikon. This is because the sensor-to-flange distance is shorter on Canon than Nikon. But it's a pain, and it's main use is to run tests to show that the Nikon wide angles really aren't any better than the Canon, despite all the noise from the Nikonistas. (In particular, the Nikon 17-35/2.8 is just as flaky at the corners unless stopped way down as the Canon 17-40.) David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message ... "Bloggs" wrote: I've just returned a 350D I purchased on Thursday. I simply couldn't get sharp images from it, despite having one of the sharpest lenses made for it (Canon 24-105L IS) fitted. I did a comparison between the Canon 24-105L, with a much cheaper Nikon 24-120, all at f11, shot in RAW, both cameras at ISO 200 and converted with the same sharpening. The Nikon images were sharper out of the camera than the Canon ones after sharpening The D70 has one of the weaker AA filters around (and thus has nasty Moire problems (see the color and maze artifiacts in the test chart images)), so it's images _appear_ sharper _at 100%_. The 350D, though, actually resolves a lot more detail. So you are doing something wrong. No I'm not. I've been involved in digital photography for 5 years and know my way around RAW converters and post processing. This is my second try at a Canon digital SLR. I had a 20D when they first came out, as I thought it would be a step up from the Powershot Pro1. Big mistake. It was a dreadful camera, with the same problems with soft images apparent. The Pro1, coincidentally, is sharper than the 350D. I downtraded to a Nikon D70 and haven't looked back. Regarding moire - I have experienced it from time to time, and it is quite easily rectified in post processing. I'd much rather have to correct that on very rare occasions, than be stuck with a camer that gives soft, plastic looking images. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/page26.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/page27.asp and the noise in the Canon images at ISO 200 was more noticeable than from the Nikon. You are again in Journal of Irreproducable results land here. (See the chart at the bottom of the page: they http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/page19.asp You really shouldn't be able to see a difference in noise at ISO 200, or any other ISO for that matter. (The D70 is very good, of course. The 350D sacrifices just a tad of noise for the better resolution, but it's ISO 100 noise is lower than the D70's noise at its lowest ISO.) I only bought the Canon in a fit of pique because I've not been able to get hold of a Nikon D200. Bad mistake. Well, you must have made several mistakes. But buying the 350D wasn't one of them. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Newbie help: Canon EOS 350D vs. Nikon D70s
Bill wrote:
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote: (I do not have much of money to play with; so I want to buy the best for the money. I hope, being a geek I can easily become pro once I get camera.) If you don't intend to buy more lenses for a long time, then I suggest you get the Nikon with the 18-70mm kit lense right now. It's the better deal for optical quality, and it covers most of the common zoom range. Does it mean that I have to buy the lenses separately? I believe so...the Nikon D50 kit includes the 18-55mm lense which isn't as good. You can buy the D50 body and get the 18-70 at the same time, and probably talk them into a deal. You'll also need to get a memory card. Thanks a lot for the nice advice. You can also consider the lower priced Nikon D50 and get the 18-70mm Canon EOS 350D: Rs. 56, 995 (Street price: Rs. 39, 000) Nikon D70s : Rs. 55, 000 (Street price: Rs. 37, 000) Nikon D50 : Rs. 55, 400 (Street price: Rs. 32, 000) And, it definitely looks like that D50 is a good alternative. The D50 can take pictures just as good as the other two. The only difference is a few features and settings. For a newbie, you'll never notice the difference. I'm sorry, I'd thought that D50 is a lower-end as compared to D70s. But, when I checked http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond50/ I came to know D50 is a better camera. Thanks for pointing it. Obviously the Nikon 18-70 lense makes a big difference in the kits, hence the price differences and my recommendations. Apologies for my ignorance. Can't we use Nikon lenses with Canon? The two systems use different mounts so they are not immediately compatible. It's like trying to use a Mazda motor in a Ford, they just don't fit together. Thanks for the explanation. What do you plan to do with the camera - what kind of pictures? I'm interested to shoot everything--objects, nature, people, etc--for example, scattered sandals near temple, running school boy. Since this will be your first DSLR, I'll take a chance and say you should get the D50 with the 18-70mm lense. It should do everything you need for a relatively long time. I'm thankful for the advice. I was really scratching my head and your advice is really helpful. -- ?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ? Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/ |
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