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When do you lose Resolution?
I have a Nikon D70S. After I do a picture
taking session, I remove my memory card from the camera. Insert it in my built in memory card reader in the computer and burn the pictures directly onto a CD-R. Now as I understand it you can never change the resolution of the pictures on the CD-R ( and please don't lets get into what will happen 20 or 50 years hence) I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. I can understand if you open and close a file from a folder this can happen. However you cannot alter a file burned to the CD-R. Am I correct in what I state? If not please correct me. Thanks in advance Denny B. |
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When do you lose Resolution?
Denny B wrote: I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. I can understand if you open and close a file from a folder this can happen. You only lose some quality when you re-save a file as a JPG since the file is then re-compressed. And of course you couldn't do that to files on a CD anyway. And it isn't "resolution" that you are losing since resolution refers to the pixel size of the photo, which doesn't change. Just opening a file and closing it again without saving does nothing to the original data in the file. |
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When do you lose Resolution?
Denny B wrote:
I have a Nikon D70S. After I do a picture taking session, I remove my memory card from the camera. Insert it in my built in memory card reader in the computer and burn the pictures directly onto a CD-R. Now as I understand it you can never change the resolution of the pictures on the CD-R ( and please don't lets get into what will happen 20 or 50 years hence) I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. Not when you close it; it's when you *save* it. Technically, it's not resolution that is lost, it's picture information. Oh, and this only applies to lossy compression, such as .JPG. It doesn't happen with RAW files. However you cannot alter a file burned to the CD-R. Am I correct in what I state? If not please correct me. With a CD-RW you can open, save, and close (but I don't reccomend it normally). Austin |
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When do you lose Resolution?
Denny B wrote: I have a Nikon D70S. After I do a picture taking session, I remove my memory card from the camera. Insert it in my built in memory card reader in the computer and burn the pictures directly onto a CD-R. Now as I understand it you can never change the resolution of the pictures on the CD-R ( and please don't lets get into what will happen 20 or 50 years hence) I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. I can understand if you open and close a file from a folder this can happen. However you cannot alter a file burned to the CD-R. Am I correct in what I state? If not please correct me. Thanks in advance Denny B. A couple of things. First, it is only a JPEG that loses QUALITY with successive saves. It does not lose resolution, it essentially loses color accuracy and fidelity. The effect is similar to reducing bit depth, although the 8 bit depth is not actually reduced. It is only the SAVE function that does this. You can open and close the file as many times as you like without changing the quality. Save is different than Close. Second, while you cannot alter the file ON THE CD, you can alter the file in an editing program and save it as an altered file on your hard drive, or burn it to a new CD. |
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"Don Stauffer in Minnesota" wrote in message ups.com... Denny B wrote: I have a Nikon D70S. After I do a picture taking session, I remove my memory card from the camera. Insert it in my built in memory card reader in the computer and burn the pictures directly onto a CD-R. Now as I understand it you can never change the resolution of the pictures on the CD-R ( and please don't lets get into what will happen 20 or 50 years hence) I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. I can understand if you open and close a file from a folder this can happen. However you cannot alter a file burned to the CD-R. Am I correct in what I state? If not please correct me. Thanks in advance Denny B. A couple of things. First, it is only a JPEG that loses QUALITY with successive saves. It does not lose resolution, it essentially loses color accuracy and fidelity. The effect is similar to reducing bit depth, although the 8 bit depth is not actually reduced. It is only the SAVE function that does this. You can open and close the file as many times as you like without changing the quality. Save is different than Close. Second, while you cannot alter the file ON THE CD, you can alter the file in an editing program and save it as an altered file on your hard drive, or burn it to a new CD. Just one more note: To ensure no loss of image data, files should not be edited as JPGs. Even if one's camera or scanner outputs files as JPGs, the first step is to save those files as TIFF, Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or some other non-lossy format. Do all editing in the non-lossy format. Convert back to JPG when all editing is done, if you want to use JPG as your viewing format--which is what it was really intended to be used as. Also, editing software typically has a default compression for JPG files, and the amount of compression can usually be changed by the user. I always make it a point to use minimum compression as my default, just to ensure that I don't accidentally lose data when saving a JPG. In PSP XI and earlier versions, there is a feature called JPG Optimizer, where one can determine in advance exactly how much compression should be applied to any given file before it is saved, and it shows what the file will look like at that resolution, before it is saved. I normally use that feature when making my final saves in JPG formatted files. The simplest rule that I use, with regard to JPG files, is to use them only as final viewing format, never as a format to be used during editing. |
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jeremy wrote:
"Don Stauffer in Minnesota" wrote in message ups.com... Denny B wrote: I have a Nikon D70S. After I do a picture taking session, I remove my memory card from the camera. Insert it in my built in memory card reader in the computer and burn the pictures directly onto a CD-R. Now as I understand it you can never change the resolution of the pictures on the CD-R ( and please don't lets get into what will happen 20 or 50 years hence) I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. I can understand if you open and close a file from a folder this can happen. However you cannot alter a file burned to the CD-R. Am I correct in what I state? If not please correct me. Thanks in advance Denny B. A couple of things. First, it is only a JPEG that loses QUALITY with successive saves. It does not lose resolution, it essentially loses color accuracy and fidelity. The effect is similar to reducing bit depth, although the 8 bit depth is not actually reduced. It is only the SAVE function that does this. You can open and close the file as many times as you like without changing the quality. Save is different than Close. Second, while you cannot alter the file ON THE CD, you can alter the file in an editing program and save it as an altered file on your hard drive, or burn it to a new CD. Just one more note: To ensure no loss of image data, files should not be edited as JPGs. Even if one's camera or scanner outputs files as JPGs, the first step is to save those files as TIFF, Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or some other non-lossy format. Do all editing in the non-lossy format. Convert back to JPG when all editing is done, if you want to use JPG as your viewing format--which is what it was really intended to be used as. Also, editing software typically has a default compression for JPG files, and the amount of compression can usually be changed by the user. I always make it a point to use minimum compression as my default, just to ensure that I don't accidentally lose data when saving a JPG. In PSP XI and earlier versions, there is a feature called JPG Optimizer, where one can determine in advance exactly how much compression should be applied to any given file before it is saved, and it shows what the file will look like at that resolution, before it is saved. I normally use that feature when making my final saves in JPG formatted files. The simplest rule that I use, with regard to JPG files, is to use them only as final viewing format, never as a format to be used during editing. Thank you all regarding your input into this matter. I have learned much from your replies, particularly that opening and closing a file is NOT saving it. Thank you kindly. Denny B |
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In fact, I strongly advise using the photo editor's native file format
for all saves while you are editing. No other format will retain ALL of the editing info. So if you are editing in Photoshop, save as a .PS file, .PSP for Paint Shop Pro, etc. Yeah, the files are large saved in those formats, but you won't be editing that many images at one time. When you are sure you are done editing, save as a jpeg or some other compressed format, and delete the version in the editor's format. jeremy wrote: To ensure no loss of image data, files should not be edited as JPGs. Even if one's camera or scanner outputs files as JPGs, the first step is to save those files as TIFF, Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or some other non-lossy format. Do all editing in the non-lossy format. Convert back to JPG when all editing is done, if you want to use JPG as your viewing format--which is what it was really intended to be used as. Also, editing software typically has a default compression for JPG files, and the amount of compression can usually be changed by the user. I always make it a point to use minimum compression as my default, just to ensure that I don't accidentally lose data when saving a JPG. In PSP XI and earlier versions, there is a feature called JPG Optimizer, where one can determine in advance exactly how much compression should be applied to any given file before it is saved, and it shows what the file will look like at that resolution, before it is saved. I normally use that feature when making my final saves in JPG formatted files. The simplest rule that I use, with regard to JPG files, is to use them only as final viewing format, never as a format to be used during editing. |
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Denny B wrote:
I have a Nikon D70S. After I do a picture taking session, I remove my memory card from the camera. Insert it in my built in memory card reader in the computer and burn the pictures directly onto a CD-R. Now as I understand it you can never change the resolution of the pictures on the CD-R ( and please don't lets get into what will happen 20 or 50 years hence) I read in this newsgroup that every time you open a file and close it you lose resolution. I can understand if you open and close a file from a folder this can happen. However you cannot alter a file burned to the CD-R. Am I correct in what I state? If not please correct me. Thanks in advance Denny B. As everybody is saying, you can repeatedly view digital files without wearing them out. Still, I *do* still see value in storing backups on a read-only media, just as you suggested. Otherwise, there is still some risk of accidental deletion. Or perhaps even accidental modification. For instance, I have accidentally destroyed filenames by copying the files to old disks that could only handle filenames 8 characters in length. Or, Windows Media Player has an option to automatically download track info (like artist and title) and store it in your music files. It's only trying to be helpful, but that would scare me if an image viewing program did something like that to my pictures in order to implement some value-added feature. Or maybe a virus will one day infect image files and inject spam onto the pictures. Who knows? So, periodically making a backup on read-only media is still a good idea. |
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When do you lose Resolution?
"timeOday" wrote in message
So if I read it correctly the best thing to do is save as jpeg direct from the camera/card but also save as tiff at the same time. This should not be a problem with the state and price of hard drives. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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When do you lose Resolution?
Maurice Hood wrote:
"timeOday" wrote in message So if I read it correctly the best thing to do is save as jpeg direct from the camera/card but also save as tiff at the same time. This should not be a problem with the state and price of hard drives. The very best is to shoot in RAW format, convert to Photoshop files, and make edits, resaving to PS format. The RAW file is the negative, so to speak, and contains the most information. OTOH, much paranoia is attached to the minute quality that is lost in saving changes via JPEG. Tests have been done in the past that showed that even after a half dozen or more resaves, the *apparent* quality hadn't changed. Of course, mileage varies, and the worse quality you start with, the more you have cause to be concerned about multiple edits and resave via JPEG. -- John McWilliams |
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