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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2012-02-10 18:30 , Mxsmanic wrote:
Alan Browne writes: Can creditors make claims on the patents and sell them (?). If they are owned by the corporation, yes. I'm not sure if that's true for patents owned by individuals, I think it depends on the jurisdiction. Disposable shaving blade model. The problem is that there are strong competitors already using that model, and there's no reason at all why Kodak would have any special chance of outrunning them. Old news, unfortunately. To be fair Kodak did try to change the model by putting more value in the printer and less in the ink. In principle the printers are more expensive and the cost per printed sheet a lot less (v. hp, Epson, Canon, etc.). I have no idea if that's how it works out in the real world. -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2/9/2012 7:19 PM, RichA wrote:
On Feb 9, 6:05 pm, Alan wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/...uters-kodak.ht... or -http://tinyurl.com/7fc5nzs http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...out-digital-ca... or -http://tinyurl.com/88kq392 Trying to sell patents... Trying to license its brand... Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack Welch used to say...). They are in serious trouble if they think printers are a going concern. Kodak made a big mistake when they didn't hire you as a consultant. -- Peter |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2/10/2012 4:55 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012-02-10 11:40 , Bruce wrote: wrote: On 10/02/2012 9:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote: Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack Welch used to say...). I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps others. Re-inventing the wheel has never been a brilliant business plan. I see Alan Browne is showing (yet again) his near-total ignorance of the photo industry. I suppose it matches his ignorance across a broad range of topics related to photography, so it is to be expected. For those who are interested in the facts, rather than the usual Browne BS, Kodak sold its sensor design and manufacturing business to Platinum Equity in early November 2011. It was widely reported across the photo web sites and in printed media and discussed on Usenet photo newsgroups: Really "Bruce", do you lay in wait for my slightest error to make an ad hominem attack? Pathetic is too light a word for your ... condition. With that in mind however, let me refer to some facts since you seem so fond of them: QUOTE But I must be fair to the 75-150mm f/4 Zuiko; it made me money, because the results were good enough for several picture editors. One of my shots taken with this lens was on the cover of "Paris Match" in the late 1970s. The two most "profitable" lenses I owned were this and the 24mm f/2.8 Zuiko, which is a fine lens and every bit the equal of the Nikkor. .. Tony Polson, North Yorkshire, UK UNQUOTE ref: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.r...w/uyb4AdyG_x4J What editor Tony? What edition of Paris Match Tony? C'mon Tony. Show us your "prowess". Or should these photographic "facts" taken by you suffice to demonstrate your actual abilities? http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000a.jpg http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000b.jpg http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000c.jpg http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000d.jpg Do you expect consistency from Brucie? -- Peter |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
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wrote: On 2/9/2012 7:19 PM, RichA wrote: They are in serious trouble if they think printers are a going concern. Kodak made a big mistake when they didn't hire you as a consultant. yes they did. it would have kept him busy and he wouldn't have time to post here. |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
[re-posted - I don't see the post on my newsreader]
On 2012-02-10 11:23 , Chloe wrote: On 10/02/2012 9:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote: Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack Welch used to say...). I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps others. Re-inventing the wheel has never been a brilliant business plan. Especially when your rivals already lead the field with innovative products. I believe Kodak had a brilliant chance to lead, but they took several missteps. The rest ... Concentrating on printers makes perfectly good sense for a company who's history has always been about selling stuff to make pictures with. I remember way back when my mother (May she forever lie in peace) took me to town to buy me a darkroom kit for my 12th birthday. For many years after that I always bought from the Kodak shop. Paper, Chemicals dishes and various darkroom tools. My first exp. in a darkroom was with a friend who's parents helped him get started. For my 15th Birthday she once again went to the Kodak shop. This time to buy me a Kodak Retinette 1A camera. My first 35mm camera. In all the film I shot with this camera were some of my most memorable photographs. Family history of long gone, cherished relatives. My first of many things recorded forever on Kodak film. Printed on Kodak paper and developed in Kodak chemicals. The camera was far from being a shining example of greatness. The Voiglander I bought when I started work as a cub photographer was so superior to the Kodak in every way, I often wondered why Kodak ever bothered making cameras. Their largest film markets were in selling family memories, not catering to photographers. So the cameras had to be both cheap and simple. Good enough for the market buying the film. How ironic that a lifetime later, making cameras has sunk the company. Over reliance on the printer market did that. Now it they just get the cost of their wide format paper and packaged photo paper under control and actually concentrate on being competitive in the market place, They might just survive. Hopefully. BTW... Is there any valid reason for cross posting to similar groups when everyone reads those groups too? Looks more like newsgroup spam than legitimate news... As if there is anything newsworthy in the stuff that get posted in these cross posted messages. More like plagiarism in to eyes. I've been a member of these and other photo NG's for well over 10 years. I'm not a prolific x-poster, but I do x-post where I believe there will be interest in it. Chloe, I hope you participate in the current shoot-in, due this Sunday. http://www.pbase.com/shootin/letter_u Cheers, Alan -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2012-02-10 21:55:16 +0000, Alan Browne said:
On 2012-02-10 11:40 , Bruce wrote: wrote: On 10/02/2012 9:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote: Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack Welch used to say...). I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps others. Re-inventing the wheel has never been a brilliant business plan. I see Alan Browne is showing (yet again) his near-total ignorance of the photo industry. I suppose it matches his ignorance across a broad range of topics related to photography, so it is to be expected. For those who are interested in the facts, rather than the usual Browne BS, Kodak sold its sensor design and manufacturing business to Platinum Equity in early November 2011. It was widely reported across the photo web sites and in printed media and discussed on Usenet photo newsgroups: Really "Bruce", do you lay in wait for my slightest error to make an ad hominem attack? Pathetic is too light a word for your ... condition. With that in mind however, let me refer to some facts since you seem so fond of them: QUOTE But I must be fair to the 75-150mm f/4 Zuiko; it made me money, because the results were good enough for several picture editors. One of my shots taken with this lens was on the cover of "Paris Match" in the late 1970s. The two most "profitable" lenses I owned were this and the 24mm f/2.8 Zuiko, which is a fine lens and every bit the equal of the Nikkor. .. Tony Polson, North Yorkshire, UK UNQUOTE ref: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.r...w/uyb4AdyG_x4J What editor Tony? What edition of Paris Match Tony? C'mon Tony. Show us your "prowess". Or should these photographic "facts" taken by you suffice to demonstrate your actual abilities? http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000a.jpg http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000b.jpg http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000c.jpg http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000d.jpg Ouch. |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 10/02/2012 00:05, Alan Browne wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/...l?ref=business or - http://tinyurl.com/7fc5nzs http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ankruptcy.html or - http://tinyurl.com/88kq392 Trying to sell patents... Trying to license its brand... Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack Welch used to say...). I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps others. Nope, they sold their image sensor business to Platinum Equity back in November http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190704577024464175394328.html -- Illegitimi non carborundum |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2012-02-11 12:16 , Joe Kotroczo wrote:
On 10/02/2012 00:05, Alan Browne wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/...l?ref=business or - http://tinyurl.com/7fc5nzs http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ankruptcy.html or - http://tinyurl.com/88kq392 Trying to sell patents... Trying to license its brand... Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack Welch used to say...). I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps others. Nope, they sold their image sensor business to Platinum Equity back in November So I've been told... -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2012-02-10 22:04:20 +0000, Alan Browne said:
On 2012-02-09 19:56 , Mxsmanic wrote: Alan Browne writes: Trying to sell patents... What will happen after all the patents are sold? The idea behind patents is to be able to manufacture new inventions without competition for a brief period. Just selling patents is a dead end. Not selling them while the company disappears robs shareholders of their value. OTOH, at the rate they're disappearing (equity wise) I'm not sure there will be any cash left over after creditors take their bites. Can creditors make claims on the patents and sell them (?). I'd been wondering about the patents issue. Sorry this is long-winded, but it suggests to me that it depends on the outcome of the ruling on bankruptcy protection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16625725 [...] |
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Kodak to stop making digital cameras
On 2012-02-11 14:48 , Pete A wrote:
On 2012-02-10 22:04:20 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2012-02-09 19:56 , Mxsmanic wrote: Alan Browne writes: Trying to sell patents... What will happen after all the patents are sold? The idea behind patents is to be able to manufacture new inventions without competition for a brief period. Just selling patents is a dead end. Not selling them while the company disappears robs shareholders of their value. OTOH, at the rate they're disappearing (equity wise) I'm not sure there will be any cash left over after creditors take their bites. Can creditors make claims on the patents and sell them (?). I'd been wondering about the patents issue. Sorry this is long-winded, but it suggests to me that it depends on the outcome of the ruling on bankruptcy protection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16625725 Seen other similar articles. (NYT/Bberg/ etc.) I really don't get why Citigroup has given them a $1B LOC - do they have first dibs on patent sale revenue? As usual, shareholders are the ones who get the least - in this case activist sh's are trying to get organized: http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards...ge_id=71623871 As to the patents, there does not seem to be a long line of people lining up. Valuations vary between 2.4 and $2.75B - though Kodak believe it has "higher strategic value" to the right suitor (whoever the hell that is - eg: wishful). -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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