P3200 T-Max film in differant developers

A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?


Thanks


Draco


Getting Even isn't good enough.

On 10/18/2005 11:18 AM Draco spake thus:

A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?

Rodinal? (Especially over-developed.) It does that with other films.


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Rodinal can be a fine grain developer. I've used it with TechPan.

Any other ideas folks??

Thanks David.


Draco

Getting Even isn't good enough.

I´ve developed just 1 roll of this film at 1600 in Rodinal and I can tell
you it came out quite grany!
Grain depends mostly on the film.


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A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?


Thanks


Draco


Getting Even isn't good enough.

Draco wrote:
A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?


Thanks


Draco


Getting Even isn't good enough.



Anchell, The Darkroom Cookbook, notes that developers made with formaldehyde and
hydroquinone yield negatives of great contrast and that such a developer is
useful for developing lith film. Unfortunately, he does not give examples.

All is not lost, however. We had a couple discussions about lith developers a
few years back. If you check out those threads and also
http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/LithDev/lithdev.html
which was cited in those threads, you can find some high contrast, lith
developers that would probably serve your purpose. Kodak D-85 is fairly
strightforward, for instance. The only difficulty is getting the
paraformaldehyde to dissolve (it requires at least 150° F), though you could
probably substitute aqueous formaldehyde.

I note that Kodak has recently withdrawn its lith developer from the market, alas.


Francis A. Miniter

Javi L wrote:

I´ve developed just 1 roll of this film at 1600 in Rodinal and I can tell
you it came out quite grany!
Grain depends mostly on the film.




Not really true. The speed of a film is roughly correlated with the ability of
the film to minimize grain and sets a lower limit. Thus, TMX (ISO 100)can
achieve finer grain than TMZ (ISO 800?).

But, whether it achieves it is subject to both the developer and the method of
processing, including both temperature and agitation. I note that Anchell
divides film developers in The Darkroom Cookbook into a number of categories,
including "Fine-Grain Developers - Grain Reduction", "Superfine-Grain Developers
- Extreme Grain Reduction" and "High-Definition Developers - High Acutance"
(which trades in fine grain for edge sharpness).


Francis A. Miniter

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Draco wrote:

A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?

In my experience, TMZ is pretty much always very grainy. (Then, again,
I shoot a lot of 8x10 so most anything smaller is 'very grainy')

I'd rate it at 1600, give it the developing for 3200 (essentially
overexposing it- that will get the contrast) and use different contrast
filters for adjusting the contrast for effect.

I don't think it really matters what developer you use. I think the
Great Yellow Father recommends T-Max or X-tol. Just use the times he
suggests on the package.

raoul


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Draco


Getting Even isn't good enough.

A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?

For big grain you need big enlargement. Shoot all the scenes
from far away with a 20mm lens and blow the p**s out of them,
say 20x24", making a 5x7" from the center of the negative.

As for film, the usual advice is TMZ-3200 in Rodinal 1:50.

Kodak Recording Film is most likely the grainiest.
It is [was] used in bank cameras to photograph robberies.
The robbers' faces are made unrecognizable by the large
grain; maybe the actual purpose of the cameras is to
spot theft by bank employees.

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Tell him to stuff it.

That grainy **** went out in the 1960s....


Draco wrote:
A teacher is asking if there is any developer to make TMZ super high
contrast and very grainy. As in a painterly effect. Any help out there?


Thanks


Draco


Getting Even isn't good enough.

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I will pass them on to
the teacher.

Keep working for the tradition darkrooms. They are going to be a thing
of the past if we don't.


Draco


Getting Even isn't good enough.