aircraft identification

My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally found
one of them


http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj



Those are B-24's aren't they???


I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time

On 01/17/2015 10:03 AM, philo wrote:
My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally found
one of them


http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj




Those are B-24's aren't they???


I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time



Group photo Squadron 14T

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...30109231_o.jpg


any one know where he would have been stationed?

On 2015-01-17 16:03:18 +0000, philoÂ* said:

My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally
found one of them

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj


Those

are B-24's aren't they???

Yup! Those are B-24's.

I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time

Here is one of the very few currently airworthy B-24's; "The Dragon and
Its Tail"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/TDAIT-W.jpg

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-01-17 16:21:56 +0000, philoÂ* said:

On 01/17/2015 10:03 AM, philo wrote:
My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally found
one of them


http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj




Those

are B-24's aren't they???


I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time


Group photo Squadron 14T

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...30109231_o.jpg


any

one know where he would have been stationed?

That is tough to pin down.
The first question to ask is; "Which 8th USAAF photo/Recon Group?"
The second is: "Which aircraft types did he fly?"

For Photo/Recon most units used P-51's(F-4), P-38's(F-5/L-5), Spitfire
PR, & Mosquito PR. Some B-24's were used primarily as weather planes
and occasionally for damage assessment.
There were four 8th Air Force Photo/Recon Groups;
3rd Photo/Recon Group
7th Photo/Recon Group
67th Photo/Recon Group
25th Photo/Recon Group

If he only flew in B-24's the picking get very thin as most only flew
Spitfires, Mosquitoes, P-51's(F-4), & P-38(F-5's/L-5).

A posible candidate is the 3rd. They had a 14th Squadron, but it seems
they mainly flew F-4's & F-5's, and they were reorganized in 1943. Here
is a brief Group history:
"Constituted as 3rd Photographic Group on 9 Jun 1942 and activated on
20 Jun. Redesignated 3rd Photographic Reconnaissance and Mapping Group
in May 1943, 3rd Photographic Group (Reconnaissance) in Nov 1943, and
3rd Reconnaissance Group in May 1945. Moved, via England, to the
Mediterranean theater, Nov-Dec 1942, and assigned to Twelfth AF. Used
F-4 and F-5 aircraft. Provided photographic intelligence that assisted
the campaigns for Tunisia, Pantelleria, Sardinia, and Sicily.
Reconnoitered airdromes, roads, marshalling yards, and harbors both
before and after the Allied landings at Salerno. Covered the Anzio area
early in 1944 and continued to support Fifth Army in its drive through
Italy by determining troop movements, gun positions, and terrain. Flew
reconnaissance missions in connection with the invasion of Southern
France in Aug 1944. Received a DUC for a mission on 28 Aug 1944 when
the group provided photographic intelligence that assisted the rapid
advance of Allied ground forces. Also mapped areas in France and the
Balkans. Inactivated in Italy on 12 Sep 1945. Disbanded on 6 Mar 1947."

14th Sqdn: 1942-1943

Stations:
Colorado Springs, Colo, 20 Jun-13 Aug 1942
Membury, England, 8 Sep 1942
Steeple Morden, England, 26 Oct-22 Nov 1942
La Senia, Algeria, 10 Dec 1942
Algiers, Algeria, 25 Dec 1942
La Marsa, Tunisia, 13 Jun 1943
San Severo, Italy, 8 Dec 1943
Pomigliano, Italy, 4 Jan 1944
Nettuno, Italy, 16 Jun 1944
Viterbo, Italy, 26 Jun 1944
Corsica, c. 14 Jul 1944
Rosia, Italy, c. Sep 1944
Florence, Italy, 17 Jan 1945
Pomigliano, Italy, 26 Aug-12 Sep 1945.

The 7th also had a 14th Squadron, they also flew mainly Spitfires &
L-5's". However most of their work was over Western Europe and most
were stationed in England. Also their 14th Sqdn remained intact
1943-1945. This is your best candidate:

"Constituted as 7th Photographic Group on 5 Feb 1943. Activated on 1
May 1943. Redesignated 7th Photographic Reconnaissance and Mapping
Group in May 1943, 7th Photographic Group (Reconnaissance) in Nov 1943,
and 7th Reconnaissance Group in Jun 1945. Transferred, without
personnel and equipment, to England on 7 Jul 1943 and assigned to
Eighth AF. Used Spitfires and L-5's to obtain information about
bombardment targets and damage inflicted by bombardment operations;
provide mapping service for air and ground units; observe and report on
enemy transportation, installations, and positions; and obtain data on
weather conditions. Prior to Jun 1944, photographed airfields, cities,
industrial establishments, and ports in France, the Low Countries, and
Germany. Received a DUC for operations during the period, 31 May-30 Jun
1944, when its coverage of bridges, marshalling yards, canals,
highways, rivers, and other targets contributed much to the success of
the Normandy campaign. Covered missile sites in France during Jul, and
in Aug carried out photographic mapping missions for ground forces
advancing across France. Provided reconnaissance support for the
airborne attack on Holland in Sep and for the Battle of the Bulge, Dec
1944-Jan 1945. Used P-51's to escort its own reconnaissance planes
during the last months of the war as the group supported the Allied
drive across the Rhine and into Germany. Took part in the final
bomb-damage assessment following V-E Day. Inactivated in England on 21
Nov 1945. Disbanded on 6 Mar 1947."

14th Sqdn: 1943-1945

Stations:
Peterson Field, Colo, 1 May-7 Jul 1943
Mount Farm, England, 7 Jul 1943
Chalgrove, England, Mar 1945
Hitcham, England, Oct-21 Nov 1945.

The 25th had the 652nd Bombardment Sqd which flew B-17F/G & B-24J's.
However, thier particular mission does not make them a likely candidate
for producing the shot you shared. Here is why:
"The 652d Bombardment Squadron originated as a provisional weather
recon unit that was formed on 31 August 1943, and transferred to RAF St
Eval in Cornwall with B-17 Flying Fortresss on 8 September 1943 for
conducting meteorological fights over the Atlantic Ocean. On 25 October
1943 it was formalized at St. Mawgan as Detachment "A" of a newly
formed Combat Weather Detachment, 1st CCRC Bovingdon. On 23 November
1943 the unit moved to RAF Bovingdon after flying 231 weather sorties.
At Bovington, the squadron was reorganized as the 8th Weather
Reconnaissance Squadron on 28 March 1944, then transferred to Watton on
12 April 1944."

The 67th were one of the most active Photo/Recon Groups, but they did
not have a 14th Sqdn, and never flew B-24's.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 01/17/2015 11:33 AM, Savageduck wrote:
he would have been stationed?

That is tough to pin down.
The first question to ask is; "Which 8th USAAF photo/Recon Group?"
The second is: "Which aircraft types did he fly?"



Thanks for all the good info below.

My uncle passed away a few years ago but fortunately my mother and one
Aunt are alive and well...I suppose I better ask them what they know

For Photo/Recon most units used P-51's(F-4), P-38's(F-5/L-5), Spitfire
PR, & Mosquito PR. Some B-24's were used primarily as weather planes and
occasionally for damage assessment.
There were four 8th Air Force Photo/Recon Groups;
3rd Photo/Recon Group
7th Photo/Recon Group
67th Photo/Recon Group
25th Photo/Recon Group

If he only flew in B-24's the picking get very thin as most only flew
Spitfires, Mosquitoes, P-51's(F-4), & P-38(F-5's/L-5).

A posible candidate is the 3rd. They had a 14th Squadron, but it seems
they mainly flew F-4's & F-5's, and they were reorganized in 1943. Here
is a brief Group history:
"Constituted as 3rd Photographic Group on 9 Jun 1942 and activated on 20
Jun. Redesignated 3rd Photographic Reconnaissance and Mapping Group in
May 1943, 3rd Photographic Group (Reconnaissance) in Nov 1943, and 3rd
Reconnaissance Group in May 1945. Moved, via England, to the
Mediterranean theater, Nov-Dec 1942, and assigned to Twelfth AF. Used
F-4 and F-5 aircraft. Provided photographic intelligence that assisted
the campaigns for Tunisia, Pantelleria, Sardinia, and Sicily.
Reconnoitered airdromes, roads, marshalling yards, and harbors both
before and after the Allied landings at Salerno. Covered the Anzio area
early in 1944 and continued to support Fifth Army in its drive through
Italy by determining troop movements, gun positions, and terrain. Flew
reconnaissance missions in connection with the invasion of Southern
France in Aug 1944. Received a DUC for a mission on 28 Aug 1944 when the
group provided photographic intelligence that assisted the rapid advance
of Allied ground forces. Also mapped areas in France and the Balkans.
Inactivated in Italy on 12 Sep 1945. Disbanded on 6 Mar 1947."

14th Sqdn: 1942-1943

Stations:
Colorado Springs, Colo, 20 Jun-13 Aug 1942
Membury, England, 8 Sep 1942
Steeple Morden, England, 26 Oct-22 Nov 1942
La Senia, Algeria, 10 Dec 1942
Algiers, Algeria, 25 Dec 1942
La Marsa, Tunisia, 13 Jun 1943
San Severo, Italy, 8 Dec 1943
Pomigliano, Italy, 4 Jan 1944
Nettuno, Italy, 16 Jun 1944
Viterbo, Italy, 26 Jun 1944
Corsica, c. 14 Jul 1944
Rosia, Italy, c. Sep 1944
Florence, Italy, 17 Jan 1945
Pomigliano, Italy, 26 Aug-12 Sep 1945.

The 7th also had a 14th Squadron, they also flew mainly Spitfires &
L-5's". However most of their work was over Western Europe and most were
stationed in England. Also their 14th Sqdn remained intact 1943-1945.
This is your best candidate:

"Constituted as 7th Photographic Group on 5 Feb 1943. Activated on 1 May
1943. Redesignated 7th Photographic Reconnaissance and Mapping Group in
May 1943, 7th Photographic Group (Reconnaissance) in Nov 1943, and 7th
Reconnaissance Group in Jun 1945. Transferred, without personnel and
equipment, to England on 7 Jul 1943 and assigned to Eighth AF. Used
Spitfires and L-5's to obtain information about bombardment targets and
damage inflicted by bombardment operations; provide mapping service for
air and ground units; observe and report on enemy transportation,
installations, and positions; and obtain data on weather conditions.
Prior to Jun 1944, photographed airfields, cities, industrial
establishments, and ports in France, the Low Countries, and Germany.
Received a DUC for operations during the period, 31 May-30 Jun 1944,
when its coverage of bridges, marshalling yards, canals, highways,
rivers, and other targets contributed much to the success of the
Normandy campaign. Covered missile sites in France during Jul, and in
Aug carried out photographic mapping missions for ground forces
advancing across France. Provided reconnaissance support for the
airborne attack on Holland in Sep and for the Battle of the Bulge, Dec
1944-Jan 1945. Used P-51's to escort its own reconnaissance planes
during the last months of the war as the group supported the Allied
drive across the Rhine and into Germany. Took part in the final
bomb-damage assessment following V-E Day. Inactivated in England on 21
Nov 1945. Disbanded on 6 Mar 1947."

14th Sqdn: 1943-1945

Stations:
Peterson Field, Colo, 1 May-7 Jul 1943
Mount Farm, England, 7 Jul 1943
Chalgrove, England, Mar 1945
Hitcham, England, Oct-21 Nov 1945.

The 25th had the 652nd Bombardment Sqd which flew B-17F/G & B-24J's.
However, thier particular mission does not make them a likely candidate
for producing the shot you shared. Here is why:
"The 652d Bombardment Squadron originated as a provisional weather recon
unit that was formed on 31 August 1943, and transferred to RAF St Eval
in Cornwall with B-17 Flying Fortresss on 8 September 1943 for
conducting meteorological fights over the Atlantic Ocean. On 25 October
1943 it was formalized at St. Mawgan as Detachment "A" of a newly formed
Combat Weather Detachment, 1st CCRC Bovingdon. On 23 November 1943 the
unit moved to RAF Bovingdon after flying 231 weather sorties. At
Bovington, the squadron was reorganized as the 8th Weather
Reconnaissance Squadron on 28 March 1944, then transferred to Watton on
12 April 1944."

The 67th were one of the most active Photo/Recon Groups, but they did
not have a 14th Sqdn, and never flew B-24's.

On 17/01/2015 16:47, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-01-17 16:03:18 +0000, philo said:

My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally
found one of them

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj



Those

are B-24's aren't they???

Yup! Those are B-24's.

I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time

Here is one of the very few currently airworthy B-24's; "The Dragon and
Its Tail"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/TDAIT-W.jpg


Nice. Was there an interlock to prevent the top turret gunner from
shooting the tail?

On 01/17/2015 02:45 PM, newshound wrote:


are B-24's aren't they???

Yup! Those are B-24's.

I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time

Here is one of the very few currently airworthy B-24's; "The Dragon and
Its Tail"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/TDAIT-W.jpg


Nice. Was there an interlock to prevent the top turret gunner from
shooting the tail?



There must have been, my uncle lived to be 92

On 01/17/2015 02:45 PM, newshound wrote:
On 17/01/2015 16:47, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-01-17 16:03:18 +0000, philo said:

My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally
found one of them

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj




Those

are B-24's aren't they???

Yup! Those are B-24's.

I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time

Here is one of the very few currently airworthy B-24's; "The Dragon and
Its Tail"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/TDAIT-W.jpg


Nice. Was there an interlock to prevent the top turret gunner from
shooting the tail?



Here is a link my mom sent me


http://www.historyofwar.org/air/unit...ent_Group.html

On 1/18/2015 6:05 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/17/2015 02:45 PM, newshound wrote:
On 17/01/2015 16:47, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-01-17 16:03:18 +0000, philo said:

My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally
found one of them

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj





Those

are B-24's aren't they???

Yup! Those are B-24's.

I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my time

Here is one of the very few currently airworthy B-24's; "The Dragon and
Its Tail"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/TDAIT-W.jpg


Nice. Was there an interlock to prevent the top turret gunner from
shooting the tail?



Here is a link my mom sent me


http://www.historyofwar.org/air/unit...ent_Group.html


That was interesting. I couldn't help but notice a gap in the aircraft
timeline.
"Aircraft

January 1941-April 1945: Consolidated B-24 Liberator
August 1945-July 1946: Boeing B-29 Super Fortress"

Was that due to movement to the Pacific theater, and some well deserved R&R?
--
PeterN

On 01/18/2015 08:19 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 1/18/2015 6:05 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/17/2015 02:45 PM, newshound wrote:
On 17/01/2015 16:47, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-01-17 16:03:18 +0000, philo said:

My uncle was in Photo Intelligence over France during WW-II

he gave me some photos taken from the plane he was on.

I misplaced them and have been searching for two years and finally
found one of them

http://images2.snapfish.com/23232323... 632%3Anu0mrj






Those

are B-24's aren't they???

Yup! Those are B-24's.

I was in ADA during the 60's and 70's but these are from before my
time

Here is one of the very few currently airworthy B-24's; "The Dragon and
Its Tail"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/TDAIT-W.jpg


Nice. Was there an interlock to prevent the top turret gunner from
shooting the tail?



Here is a link my mom sent me


http://www.historyofwar.org/air/unit...ent_Group.html


That was interesting. I couldn't help but notice a gap in the aircraft
timeline.
"Aircraft

January 1941-April 1945: Consolidated B-24 Liberator
August 1945-July 1946: Boeing B-29 Super Fortress"

Was that due to movement to the Pacific theater, and some well deserved
R&R?




One more link

http://www.8thairforce.com/44thbg/8b...ing%201996.pdf


My uncle was listed as : Photo Interpretor and Radar Officer