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Panasonic DMC-FZ30....ugh!
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RichA wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp I would take the Panasonic FZ5 or FZ20 over a DSLR, for my own photographic needs. If your needs include low noise at high ISO, then the FZ30 isn't for you. |
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"RichA" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp Ah, but it's easy to see why Panasonic are going to hop into bed with Olympus - they both have the same enthusiasm for noisy images. It's a marriage made in heaven. |
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"David J Taylor" wrote in message .uk... RichA wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp I would take the Panasonic FZ5 or FZ20 over a DSLR, for my own photographic needs. If your needs include low noise at high ISO, then the FZ30 isn't for you. ISO 400 is hardly hi ISO, the Panasonic has high noise at low ISO and that is very bad. |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:56:37 +0100, "Pinky & Perky sing Parsifal"
wrote: "RichA" wrote in message roups.com... http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp Ah, but it's easy to see why Panasonic are going to hop into bed with Olympus - they both have the same enthusiasm for noisy images. It's a marriage made in heaven. Not really. One thing Olympus did in it's upper end was avoid the hideious plastic bodies of the Panasonics. Now (E-500) that's bleeding into Olympus. Pretty soon, if they aren't careful, they'll be just another Kodak. -Rich |
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Pete D wrote:
"David J Taylor" wrote in message .uk... RichA wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp I would take the Panasonic FZ5 or FZ20 over a DSLR, for my own photographic needs. If your needs include low noise at high ISO, then the FZ30 isn't for you. ISO 400 is hardly hi ISO, the Panasonic has high noise at low ISO and that is very bad. The performance of the Panasonic at ISO 400 is typical of cameras using the smaller sensor format compared to the DSLR format - it is not "very bad" at all. The higher noise level is a well-known trade-off. Fuji seem to have done some work in this area which may improve usable sensitivity by a stop or more, and it would be interesting to see the Fuji sensor coupled with a good image-stabilised long zoom. David |
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David J Taylor wrote:
Pete D wrote: "David J Taylor" wrote in message . co.uk... RichA wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp I would take the Panasonic FZ5 or FZ20 over a DSLR, for my own photographic needs. If your needs include low noise at high ISO, then the FZ30 isn't for you. ISO 400 is hardly hi ISO, the Panasonic has high noise at low ISO and that is very bad. The performance of the Panasonic at ISO 400 is typical of cameras using the smaller sensor format compared to the DSLR format - it is not "very bad" at all. The higher noise level is a well-known trade-off. Fuji seem to have done some work in this area which may improve usable sensitivity by a stop or more, and it would be interesting to see the Fuji sensor coupled with a good image-stabilised long zoom. David I get really offended when I see these lop sided reviews pumping up Canon at the expense of other brands. dpreview is well known for this sort of behavior and really ought to stop it before their credibility is shot. You can't keep taking money from a company and deny you are manipulating stories to their benefit and still expect to be believed. The truth lies somewhere between two extremes of statistics. FZ cameras don't need as high ISO settings in low light as a Canon DSLR does so attempting to make a Panasonic look bad at high ISO is distorting the truth for the sake of promoting Canon. If the Panasonic had mirrors and hinges flapping around at the time of exposure it would be perfectly fair to say it's images are noisy at high ISO and it can't take a low light picture as well as a Canon. It doesn't. It actually performs quite well in low light situations. I don't ever recall having a need to shoot bottle labels at high ISO just for the hell of it. You only need high ISO to capture moving objects or in low light, to boost shutter speed. The Canon "S" series DSLRs have a particularly bad mirror design which shudders more than most SLRs during exposure. The Canon's (ands nearly every other SLR - film and digital) actually need high ISO in order to maintain high shutter speeds in low light and produce a sharp (or clear) picture. The Panasonic does not. The pictures here http://www.technoaussie.com/gallery/FZ20-Pics are from a FZ20, the forerunner of the FZ30 but none the less, relevant to this discussion. You simply could not take these pictures with the same ISO settings as the Panasonic, using a Canon DSLR. Not even on a tripod. The only way is to wind up the ISO. A truly fair comparison then, would be to compare the two cameras in the same lighting but with each camera's best settings... Something dpreview never does, with any of their Canon comparisons. They would have you believe it's impossible to take a good picture if you don't have a Canon DSLR... Total bull****! -- Douglas... Have gun will travel... Said his card. I didn't care, I shot him anyway. 1/125th @ f5.6. R.I.P. Mamiya. |
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Pix on Canvas wrote:
[] RichA wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp [] I get really offended when I see these lop sided reviews pumping up Canon at the expense of other brands. dpreview is well known for this sort of behavior and really ought to stop it before their credibility is shot. You can't keep taking money from a company and deny you are manipulating stories to their benefit and still expect to be believed. The truth lies somewhere between two extremes of statistics. FZ cameras don't need as high ISO settings in low light as a Canon DSLR does so attempting to make a Panasonic look bad at high ISO is distorting the truth for the sake of promoting Canon. [] I agree that the comparison is unfair. If you compare the sensitive areas the Canon is 329 sq.mm. and the FZ30 is 38 sq.mm. Therefore if you are going to show the XT at ISO 1600, the similar figure for the FZ30 would be ISO 200, not ISO 400. The results would be comparable under such conditions. Of course, the original posting was simply stating the obvious, that a small sensor camera is not as sensitive as a large sensor one! David |
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"RichA" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Pana...Z30/page14.asp Isn't this a group for digital.slr-systems, which i don't think the FZ-30 is ?. You might not like the output from P&S cameras, but is this the place to discuss it ? |
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In message ,
Pix on Canvas wrote: The truth lies somewhere between two extremes of statistics. FZ cameras don't need as high ISO settings in low light as a Canon DSLR does so attempting to make a Panasonic look bad at high ISO is distorting the truth for the sake of promoting Canon. That is easy to circumvent; DPR gives the f-stop and shutter speeds, so all you have to do, really, is the math to expose the absolute exposure of each; wher one has x stops more exposure than the other. Personally, I think that the better way to compare is to use absolute exposure that is fixed in a comparison, and then bringing the resulting images to the same tonal curve in the display images. Then you are really comparing two cameras at the same light level (assuming that the f-stops and shutter speeds are fairly accurate in the cameras compared; shutter-speed can be circumvented with manual flash, leaving only f-stop as questionable). -- John P Sheehy |
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