Can You Handle the Truth RichA???

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:28:46 -0600, Rich wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote in
:


How much of the $440 billion sent to Africa in the past 30-40 years came
from the U.S.?

Not that it helped Africa to survive.

Most of it ended up in the Swiss bank accounts of warlords and tyrannical
leaders.


http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Gold-Fift...3507754&sr=1-3

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 12/9/2011 7:28 PM, Rich wrote:
Eric wrote in
:


How much of the $440 billion sent to Africa in the past 30-40 years came
from the U.S.?

Not that it helped Africa to survive.

Most of it ended up in the Swiss bank accounts of warlords and tyrannical
leaders.


And a lot of it would up in the unclaimed funds department of those
banks. Eventually, to be leveraged by the banks.



--
Peter

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:35:39 -0600, John Turco
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:02:32 -0600, John Turco
wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:35:11 -0600, John Turco
wrote:

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Germany's radar technology was far more advanced than Britain's,
actually. In fact, British commandos were sent to raid German
hardware, so their country could catch up to its bitter enemy.

As I understand it the Germans lacked the PPI display and had
to use a complicated manual system to achieve the same effect.

Irrelevant. For instance, they had adjustable, parabolic radar
aerials...while Britain's "Home Defence" system was composed
completely of fixed antennas.

That was the original 'Home Chain' defense system which at least
had the advantage that it detected the German raids almost as soon
as they took off.

I was going by memory, when I wrote "Home Defence" (sorry about that).

The latter was quite crude indeed, compared to the Germans' more
sophistcated and higher-frequency equipment.

Which came later. But then, so too did the British later have more
sophisticated higher-frequency equipment.

Only after they'd stolen German radar gear and reverse-engineered
it.

Not so. Where do you get these ideas?

Converesly, the Germans sneered at the sad stuff the British left
behind in Dunkirk, France...which was also a embarrassing defeat for
Britain, despite what its propaganda machine still professes.

edited for brevity

British propaganda was originally responsible for this myth of
the Germans lagging in radar...it's understandable, given the
wartime circumstances. What's perplexing, is that subsequent
generations of historians and journalists have all seemed to
ignore reality!

It's much more complicated than that.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

No, it's quite simple: The British lied (out of emergency), and
national pride has prevented them from fully admitting German
radar superiority, even today.

That's your version.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

No, not at all. Recently, I found a PDF file that I'd downloaded in
January of 2004. It's presently available online, he

The Radar Pages - "DEFLATING BRITISH RADAR MYTHS OF WORLD WAR II"
http://www.radarpages.co.uk/download/AUACSC0609F97-3.pdf

[Read it and educate yourself, Eric!]

On page 2 it states "The focus of this research is on pre-war Germany
and Britain; comparing and contrasting tactics and technology that
existed prior to hostilities." which isn't of much relevance of the
respective development of radar during WW2.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 22/12/2011 08:35, John Turco wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:02:32 -0600, John
wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:35:11 -0600, John
wrote:

heavily edited for brevity

Germany's radar technology was far more advanced than Britain's,
actually. In fact, British commandos were sent to raid German
hardware, so their country could catch up to its bitter enemy.

As I understand it the Germans lacked the PPI display and had
to use a complicated manual system to achieve the same effect.

Irrelevant. For instance, they had adjustable, parabolic radar
aerials...while Britain's "Home Defence" system was composed
completely of fixed antennas.

That was the original 'Home Chain' defense system which at least
had the advantage that it detected the German raids almost as soon
as they took off.

I was going by memory, when I wrote "Home Defence" (sorry about that).

The latter was quite crude indeed, compared to the Germans' more
sophistcated and higher-frequency equipment.

Which came later. But then, so too did the British later have more
sophisticated higher-frequency equipment.

Onlyafter they'd stolen German radar gear and reverse-engineered
it. Converesly, the Germans sneered at the sad stuff the British left
behind in Dunkirk, France...which was also a embarrassing defeat for
Britain, despite what its propaganda machinestill professes.

The thing that made the most difference was when Britain made a working
and stable high power magnetron at cm wavelengths. An invention that was
almost immediately shared with America. The German radar had better
aerials and transmitters up to that point but once the magnetron was in
production and use for British night fighters the tables were turned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6331897.stm

We might well have lost had the invention not been shared with the USA.

The cover story for it was "pilots eating carrots to see in the dark"
although for some strange reason in the USA it is reported as
"blueberry jam".

edited for brevity

British propaganda was originally responsible for this myth of
the Germans lagging in radar...it's understandable, given the
wartime circumstances. What's perplexing, is that subsequent
generations of historians and journalists have all seemed to
ignore reality!

It's much more complicated than that.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

No, it's quite simple: The British lied (out of emergency), and
national pride has prevented them from fully admitting German
radar superiority, even today.

At the outset of the war Germany was better equipped than Britain on
almost all fronts - they were after all on a planned war footing.

That's your version.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

No, not at all. Recently, I found a PDF file that I'd downloaded in
January of 2004. It's presently available online, he

The Radar Pages - "DEFLATING BRITISH RADAR MYTHS OF WORLD WAR II"
http://www.radarpages.co.uk/download/AUACSC0609F97-3.pdf

[Read it and educate yourself, Eric!]

What it says was going into the war the Germans had better aerials and
transmitters. It says nothing at all about how rapidly the technologies
evolved in the two countries *during* the war period.

The Wurtzberg antennae were certainly snapped up afterwards by the
victors. They were nice pieces of kit. One was still in service many
decades later as an interference monitor at MRAO, Cambridge.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On 2011-12-25 00:24:09 -0800, John Turco said:

John Turco wrote:

Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

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Germany didn't believe aerial radar was in use by the British
and squandered a whole year of interception radar use for night
fighters by trying to follow the (finally impossible to follow)
order that the antennae had to be inside the plane. Britain had
a central clearing room, Germany much later had only Himmelbett,
which was strictly regional (and could direct only one night
fighter at a time) --- and that was *after* they'd overhauled
their organisation.

Exactly.

Germany expected miracles from it's researchers (with an unspoken
'or else'), Britain actually put significant resources to work
at the problem (like the whole of the USA). Germany had 2 IFF
systems (both incompatible, of course, and only working with half
the radar parts (that is, Erstling sort of worked, and Zwilling
didn't work at all) until the Würzburg radar sets were upgraded
to be compatible with Erstling).

edited

The U.S. ultimately triumphed with "NORAD" -- it was so good,
it became part of the "Apollo" moon missions, a quarter of a
century after WWII ended.

edited

Correction: "LORAN" (a forerunner of "GPS").

LORAN (Long Range Radio Navigation) was only related to GPS in that it
was a navigation aid, initially intended for coastal maritime
navigation and eventually adopted by aviation & the military.
It had nothing to do with RADAR or the detection of targets, except
that it used radio signal time differences from at least two specific
radio transmitters. These time differences were plotted on a chart with
LORAN 'lines". modern LORAN units will provide a navigational fix
without a chart, but it does not reach the accuracy of GPS.
In the 1980's & 70's merchant marine LORAN was used as a supplement to
astral navigation, not the replacement it many thought it could be.

NORAD is something completely different, the North American Aerospace
Defense Command a joint operation of the USAF and the Canadian AF which
was responsible for the establishment of the Distant Early Warning
Line, or "DEW Line" which provided about 3 hours warning against a
polar route attack by Soviet bombers in the 1950's. With the
introduction of ICBM's the DEW line became obsolete and was replaced
with other technology.

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Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2011122508245275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2011-12-25 00:24:09 -0800, John Turco said:

John Turco wrote:

Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

heavily edited for brevity

Germany didn't believe aerial radar was in use by the British
and squandered a whole year of interception radar use for night
fighters by trying to follow the (finally impossible to follow)
order that the antennae had to be inside the plane. Britain had
a central clearing room, Germany much later had only Himmelbett,
which was strictly regional (and could direct only one night
fighter at a time) --- and that was *after* they'd overhauled
their organisation.

Exactly.

Germany expected miracles from it's researchers (with an unspoken
'or else'), Britain actually put significant resources to work
at the problem (like the whole of the USA). Germany had 2 IFF
systems (both incompatible, of course, and only working with half
the radar parts (that is, Erstling sort of worked, and Zwilling
didn't work at all) until the WÃ?rzburg radar sets were upgraded
to be compatible with Erstling).

edited

The U.S. ultimately triumphed with "NORAD" -- it was so good,
it became part of the "Apollo" moon missions, a quarter of a
century after WWII ended.

edited

Correction: "LORAN" (a forerunner of "GPS").

LORAN (Long Range Radio Navigation) was only related to GPS in that it
was a navigation aid, initially intended for coastal maritime
navigation and eventually adopted by aviation & the military.
It had nothing to do with RADAR or the detection of targets, except
that it used radio signal time differences from at least two specific
radio transmitters. These time differences were plotted on a chart with
LORAN 'lines". modern LORAN units will provide a navigational fix
without a chart, but it does not reach the accuracy of GPS.
In the 1980's & 70's merchant marine LORAN was used as a supplement to
astral navigation, not the replacement it many thought it could be.

NORAD is something completely different, the North American Aerospace
Defense Command a joint operation of the USAF and the Canadian AF which
was responsible for the establishment of the Distant Early Warning
Line, or "DEW Line" which provided about 3 hours warning against a
polar route attack by Soviet bombers in the 1950's. With the
introduction of ICBM's the DEW line became obsolete and was replaced
with other technology.

The DEWLine was still in operation in 1990 when it got merged into the
NWS. A number of stations that were built as part of the DEWline are
still in operation as NWS stations.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 02:24:09 -0600, John Turco
wrote:

John Turco wrote:

Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

heavily edited for brevity

Germany didn't believe aerial radar was in use by the British
and squandered a whole year of interception radar use for night
fighters by trying to follow the (finally impossible to follow)
order that the antennae had to be inside the plane. Britain had
a central clearing room, Germany much later had only Himmelbett,
which was strictly regional (and could direct only one night
fighter at a time) --- and that was *after* they'd overhauled
their organisation.

Exactly.

Germany expected miracles from it's researchers (with an unspoken
'or else'), Britain actually put significant resources to work
at the problem (like the whole of the USA). Germany had 2 IFF
systems (both incompatible, of course, and only working with half
the radar parts (that is, Erstling sort of worked, and Zwilling
didn't work at all) until the Würzburg radar sets were upgraded
to be compatible with Erstling).

edited

The U.S. ultimately triumphed with "NORAD" -- it was so good,
it became part of the "Apollo" moon missions, a quarter of a
century after WWII ended.

edited

Correction: "LORAN" (a forerunner of "GPS").

Loran was an advance on the British GEE system. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN

Regards,

Eric Stevens

"X" wrote in message .. .

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:50:25 -0500, George Kerby wrote:


China make their slaves available to anyone. China could give a **** about
polluting their air and water. They are whores. Planned obsolescence is
part
of Capitalism, but a Socialist such as yourself would know nothing of
that.
Lawsuits protect a company's product, nothing more, nothing less.

Face it, Commie, you are just ****ed because you sold your AAPL at $8.00
and
bought MSFT which has been stagnant for the past decade, LOL!

Get over it!

And you wonder why Americans are so despised? look in the mirror **** face.

Yes, some despise us (the USA), yet many continue to come here for advanced
degrees, or for freedom of religious expression, or for an environment
relatively free of cultural bias, or for an opportunity to gain wealth by
honest effort, or for the best chance to participate in the only mass-scale
social experiment (with a reasonable promise of hope) currently available.

USA USA USA

On 12/26/11 6:21 PM, in article , "Charles"
wrote:



"X" wrote in message .. .

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:50:25 -0500, George Kerby wrote:


China make their slaves available to anyone. China could give a **** about
polluting their air and water. They are whores. Planned obsolescence is
part
of Capitalism, but a Socialist such as yourself would know nothing of
that.
Lawsuits protect a company's product, nothing more, nothing less.

Face it, Commie, you are just ****ed because you sold your AAPL at $8.00
and
bought MSFT which has been stagnant for the past decade, LOL!

Get over it!

And you wonder why Americans are so despised?

So late for the party. SO late...

"George Kerby" wrote in message
...




On 12/26/11 6:21 PM, in article , "Charles"
wrote:



"X" wrote in message .. .

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:50:25 -0500, George Kerby wrote:


China make their slaves available to anyone. China could give a ****
about
polluting their air and water. They are whores. Planned obsolescence is
part
of Capitalism, but a Socialist such as yourself would know nothing of
that.
Lawsuits protect a company's product, nothing more, nothing less.

Face it, Commie, you are just ****ed because you sold your AAPL at $8.00
and
bought MSFT which has been stagnant for the past decade, LOL!

Get over it!

And you wonder why Americans are so despised?

So late for the party. SO late...

So sad. SO sad.