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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
nospam wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper wrote: [...] most importantly I have a feeling your hardline choice of OS is your real problem, and it is distracting you from paying attention to improving your photography. That in fact seems to be *your* most serious impediment to improving your photography. The OP seems to be well aware that a more functional OS is eventually going to allow him to produce better results...] I am curious how you come up with this. To me, it's like saying a better developing pan will lead to better photographs when working with film. the advantage of a more functional operating system is the availability of more functional apps which can produce better results. His OS of choice does not at all improve or hinder his ability to take good photographs. In your opinion his OS may limit his ability to post process his photos but in others opinion it does not. There is little point in having the whole photoshop vs gimp discussion here again is there? better apps can also greatly increase productivity, which means fewer hassles in producing the results, leaving more time to concentrate on photography itself rather than the processing. There are any number of good programs available for his OS allowing him all those advantages too, why do think that's not the case? -- sid |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
Parko wrote:
Can't offer any insights into Canon's propriety firmware, however... Have a crack at using Darktable - it's in the repos - for RAW image editing and conversions. It leaves the raw data untouched and creates a sidecar xmp file for the image edit info. It has an active NG/mailing list at gmane.comp.graphics.darktable.user. Highly recommended. I hadn't tried that for many a moon (three years back at version 0.7.1, which was clearly a beta version). It has matured nicely. For anyone who wants a do it all in one program, that looks pretty nice. It also has an advantage in that they've done a very good job of making use of multi-core systems. I tried it on an 8 core system and got virtually the same speed for a batch process of 10 NEF files as I got with the very efficient batch processing system that I use with UFRAW. Of course since I am not at all familiar with it I can't attest to how it works in a production environment with a practiced operator, but nothing I saw suggested it would not work quite well. (The big question I would have would be what happens when it is used on a folder with say 500 raw files. But given how well other parts are implemented I would expect that to work smoothly too.) I'm not enthused about the specific tool functionality, as I am very much in favor of a core set of primatives rather than a set of "magic box" functions. Most people would probably do well with as many magic box tools as possible though. And the one tool I used with a "curves" functionality was extremely difficult to use, as was the histogram provided. I certainly didn't see any reason that I would switch over to using it, but from now on when someone asks about what is available that will be added to the very short list that I think are worth looking at. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
sid wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , Tony Cooper wrote: [...] most importantly I have a feeling your hardline choice of OS is your real problem, and it is distracting you from paying attention to improving your photography. That in fact seems to be *your* most serious impediment to improving your photography. The OP seems to be well aware that a more functional OS is eventually going to allow him to produce better results...] I am curious how you come up with this. To me, it's like saying a better developing pan will lead to better photographs when working with film. the advantage of a more functional operating system is the availability of more functional apps which can produce better results. His OS of choice does not at all improve or hinder his ability to take good photographs. As noted by Ansel Adams, "You don't take a photograph, you make it." And today that is mostly done with a computer, hence his choice of computer software has a lot to do, not with taking the exposure, but with making the photograph. In your opinion his OS may limit his ability to post process his photos but in others opinion it does not. But regardless of opinions, it *does* limit a photographer's ability. It's just plain ignorant to suggest otherwise... There is little point in having the whole photoshop vs gimp discussion here again is there? It's an endless argument, so it's one they can't lose too. better apps can also greatly increase productivity, which means fewer hassles in producing the results, leaving more time to concentrate on photography itself rather than the processing. There are any number of good programs available for his OS allowing him all those advantages too, why do think that's not the case? He's got religion. I don't know if Buda, Jesus or Muhamed loves him, but Adobe does! -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
On 2013.11.29, 22:01 , Parko wrote:
Have a crack at using Darktable - it's in the repos - for RAW image editing and conversions. It leaves the raw data untouched and creates a sidecar xmp file for the image edit info. It has an active NG/mailing list at gmane.comp.graphics.darktable.user. Highly recommended. All editing of raw photos leave the raw data untouched. The adjustments made are for the viewing/presentation of it, not changes to it. -- "The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and co-operation; it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another." -George Orwell, 1945 |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
On 2013.11.29, 23:19 , Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:45:26 -0900, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote: Savageduck wrote: [...] most importantly I have a feeling your hardline choice of OS is your real problem, and it is distracting you from paying attention to improving your photography. That in fact seems to be *your* most serious impediment to improving your photography. The OP seems to be well aware that a more functional OS is eventually going to allow him to produce better results...] I am curious how you come up with this. To me, it's like saying a better developing pan will lead to better photographs when working with film. OS X "advocates" can't hold a candle to Linux advocates. -- "The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and co-operation; it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another." -George Orwell, 1945 |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
On 2013.11.30, 00:44 , nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote: Also be aware that with Linux if you become proficient at writing shell scripts there is just no end of ways to improve productivity. The ImageMagick tools are fabulous for editing. And there are many ways a shell script can speed up your workflow. For example, I preview my images, as JPEGs, with a very customized version of XV which can sort them into various directories. The JPEG images I don't want to convert with UFRAW go into one special directory, and then a shell script moves the RAW files to the same directories where the JPEG is now at. Then I run UFRAW and it never loads a file I don't want to process. Plus when I want to run the batch on all of them, I use a script that does odd things like automatically setting wavelet noise reduction depending on the ISO it was shot at, and it determines how many CPU cores are available and proceeds to keep each CPU busy with a different process (which with as many as 12 cores can make a huge difference in how fast a few hundred RAW files can be converted to TIFF files). if that isn't proof that linux users do things in the most difficult and most convoluted way possible, i don't know what is. Well put. (Except that Linux users can make things even more difficult and convoluted when they really warm up). To a Linux user the above inanity is a badge of honour. -- "The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and co-operation; it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another." -George Orwell, 1945 |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
On 11/30/2013 4:47 AM, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:45:26 -0900, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote: Savageduck wrote: [...] most importantly I have a feeling your hardline choice of OS is your real problem, and it is distracting you from paying attention to improving your photography. That in fact seems to be *your* most serious impediment to improving your photography. The OP seems to be well aware that a more functional OS is eventually going to allow him to produce better results...] I am curious how you come up with this. To me, it's like saying a better developing pan will lead to better photographs when working with film. No, it's more like having a drawer full of different sized trays means the user can choose which one is most efficient for any given job. That leads to a more effective system than one where the only trays available come in just one size (that fits all, supposedly). Since most people never printed anything larger that an 8x10, they don't see a difference. But for the photographer that pushes the limits, trays large enough for 16x20 and 20x24 prints make a huge difference. Not to mention they immediately bought something like an El Nikkor lens rather than use the one that came with the enlarger. And while a 35mm enlarger from Ponder and Best or Durst, or even the low end Beseler or Omega models might seem like a great production tool for many, real darkroom workers wouldn't consider anything less that a Beseler 23C, and would rather have either a Beseler or an Omega 4x5 enlarger, even if all they ever work with is 35mm film. I used a 23C, IIRC I had three heads for it. Color, condenser and fluorescent. It's the difference between printing today with an Epson 2800 or using an Epson 4880 or 7890. Many a fine art print has been made with the 2880 and 3880. IMO the 4880 is designed for higher output. I may have been told wrong, but i thought the 4880 produced prints that were equal in quality to the other two, but was designed for higher production rates, and larger format. -- PeterN |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
On 2013.11.30, 09:42 , Tony Cooper wrote:
So, how can a different OS make a person a better photographer? When it supports the best in class photography software. Linux, quite obviously, does not. -- "The radio was once expected to promote international understanding and co-operation; it has turned out to be a means of insulating one nation from another." -George Orwell, 1945 |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
On 2013-11-30 14:47:10 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:56:47 +0000, sid wrote: Savageduck wrote: but most importantly I have a feeling your hardline choice of OS is your real problem, and it is distracting you from paying attention to improving your photography. That is just ridiculous, what on earth does his OS have to do with improving his photography? At no point ever has the operating system on my pc affected my ability to chosse what to shoot or how to compose that shot or how to expose it. Is that what I'm doing wrong d'you think? You misread the post. The Duck is saying just the opposite. He's saying that concentrating too much on the OS choice distracts him from paying more attention to developing his photographic skills. Give that man a cigar! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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converting raw images from Canon EOS 600D
I will say this, you should be seeing a difference, a big difference in the image quality between files produced by your G2 and your 600D. If not, the problem might lie in some peculiarity in your photographic technique, but most importantly I have a feeling your hardline choice of OS is your real problem, and it is distracting you from paying attention to improving your photography. There is much more that goes into the selection of an OS, at least for most of us, than the impact of one application. I have proudly used Linux exclusively for over a decade - I've yet to find anything important to me that I can't do with it and in the process, I've saved thousands of dollars. |
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