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This being the most serious group of photographers (picture makers) that
I find on the web I thought some of you might be interested in an article on The New Atlantis website: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/10/rosen.htm The author, Christine Rosen, contends that our culture is drowning in images too easily made by anyone and that the net effect is detrimental to us. Contrast that with Leonard Schlain's book "The Alphabet Vs. The Goddess" which credits our immersion in images as being very positive to the point of making feminism possible and you have quite a difference of opinion. Stir in a lot of Sontag's bs opinions on photography (my opinion) and the thoughts of others and I think we have an interesting discussion. To bad there isn't a newsgroup for rec.photo.philosophy. Anyway I just thought you might be interested what some think of our imagemaking pursuits. Frank Rome, NY |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:10:58 GMT, Frank
Calidonna wrote: I think we have an interesting discussion. To bad there isn't a newsgroup for rec.photo.philosophy. November 16, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick, It would probably not be such a busy group, even compare to rpd. But what's wrong with using rpd for discussions of photo.philosophy? It's what goes through my mind in the dark anyway! Why define it as off topic -- would anyone object to such discussion? I've only seen people object to commercial intrusion and troll bandwidth wasters. regards, --le ________________________________ Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. voice: 416-686-0326 email: net: www.heylloyd.com ________________________________ -- |
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"Frank Calidonna" wrote article on The New Atlantis website: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/10/rosen.htm The author, Christine Rosen, contends that our culture is drowning in images too easily made by anyone and that the net effect is detrimental to us. Philosophy and photography I am all for. Adams [the other one] is a good author in addition to Sontag. Vestal comes through now and then. There was a very short lived 'Darkroom Techniques' sort of magazine with a philosophy column. I am not sure the 'New Atlantis' web site is I would pick for a discussion on propaganda and photography. The 'Old Atlantis' is flaky enough. The motivation for the article appears to come from Rosen's (quoted): "The second of the Ten Commandments listed in Exodus 20 warns against idolizing, or even making, graven images: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'" May as well discuss photography on soc.taliban * * * The site this article appears on is a mouthpiece for: Ethics and Public Policy Center http://www.eppc.org/ Associated with something called: Bioethics and American Democracy They all get their money from ??? -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com Fstop timer - http://www.nolindan.com/da/fstop/index.htm |
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
I am not sure the 'New Atlantis' web site is I would pick for a discussion on propaganda and photography. The 'Old Atlantis' is flaky enough. The motivation for the article appears to come from Rosen's (quoted): "The second of the Ten Commandments listed in Exodus 20 warns against idolizing, or even making, graven images: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'" May as well discuss photography on soc.taliban * * * The site this article appears on is a mouthpiece for: Ethics and Public Policy Center http://www.eppc.org/ Associated with something called: Bioethics and American Democracy They all get their money from ??? I go to the Art & Letters Daily website every morning. They review books, articles and essays all over the web and post four or five short descriptions and links every morning. The article on imaging naturally caught my eye. I realize that New Atlantis is a strange site, but Rosen's essay and thesis on the detrimental effect on us and our culture by so many images was interesting. I totally disagree with her about the detriment, but do agree that photography, printing press and video technolgies allowing mass distribution of pictures have had a major, profound effect on us all. I read and taught for years about art, photography as an art, is it an art, what is art, etc., etc., etc., blah blah blah. Then Schlain's book hit me right between the eyes. I was aware of the impact of some photos on people before that, but his thesis, based on right-brain/left brain research, that cultures with linear alphabets denigrate the status of women and that the growth of feminism begins with the advent of both photgraphy and printing technologies to distribute them was mind shaking to say the least. As he states he doesn't present a scientic testable proof just a good court case for his theory. It is quite a book. That sent me back to reread Marshal McCluan, Sonatg and a few others. That is where I am at now. Those of us who use photography for journalism, commercial advertising, or even our fine art realize (hope) that our pictures can make a difference to a viewer. The fact that our snapshots are what we grab when the house is on fire attests to the importance we attach to even our simplest images. And the fact that everyone here has spent thousand of hours and dollars learning, creating, traveling, and crafting the finest images we are capable of producing must mean that pictures mean quite a lot to us all. Way back in the fifties in college I remember the emotional and visceral shock when first seeing photographs by Adams, Weston, Cunningham and all of the rest ( anyone else old enough to remember when Popular Photography was a first class magazine?) Gene Smith's pictures in Life were also formative. So I have always been aware of the effects of pictures, but never gave much thought to the broad social consequences of ubiqitous pictures in our culture - or any culture for that matter. My other passion besides photography is funerary art. One of the things that makes colonial gravestones so unique is the fact that the images on them were carved at the height of the influence of the Puritan Church.Your biblical quote of "no graven image" was a cornerstone of the Puritan faith. The stones are equivalent to a member of the Taliban painting a picture of Allah on his wall. I think the appeal of pictures is primal. Frank |
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"Frank Calidonna" wrote
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: I am not sure the 'New Atlantis' web site is one I would pick for a discussion on propaganda and photography. The 'Old Atlantis' was flaky enough. I should sit on my hands, I know I should, but my lower mid half an inch to the right brain just won't shut up. Schlain's ... thesis, based on right-brain/left brain research, Oops, we are on shaky ground before we start. I was under the impression R/L brain has been pretty thoroughly discounted. Isn't the new theory all about Hippocammi? Schlain needs to get with it. For something interesting on left/right conundrums, try: http://www.americanscientist.org/tem.../assetid/29757 that cultures with linear alphabets denigrate the status of women Please, a non-linear alphabet, what is it? Maybe Google knows: http://www.brainmachines.com/body_bock_saga.html Oh, we are in trouble, deep doo-doo. and that the growth of feminism begins with the advent of both photography and printing technologies to distribute them was mind shaking to say the least. A mind very well shaken. As he states he doesn't present a scientific testable proof Some contact with reality. just a good court case for his theory. The jury is out. I vote hanging. Didn't we do this in the 60's: take drugs, think up a wild hypothesis and then go around preaching it was reality: "If you say a thing is so then it makes it so." It sort of went along with the Socialist Workers' Party - _they_ managed to make no contact with reality without the use of chemicals. A mixture of the two lives on in university education departments across the nation. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com Fstop timer - http://www.nolindan.com/da/fstop/index.htm |
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In article ,
Frank Calidonna wrote: This being the most serious group of photographers (picture makers) that I find on the web I thought some of you might be interested in an article on The New Atlantis website: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/10/rosen.htm The author, Christine Rosen, contends that our culture is drowning in images too easily made by anyone and that the net effect is detrimental to us. Contrast that with Leonard Schlain's book "The Alphabet Vs. The Goddess" which credits our immersion in images as being very positive to the point of making feminism possible and you have quite a difference of opinion. Stir in a lot of Sontag's bs opinions on photography (my opinion) and the thoughts of others and I think we have an interesting discussion. To bad there isn't a newsgroup for rec.photo.philosophy. Anyway I just thought you might be interested what some think of our imagemaking pursuits. Frank Rome, NY I just had a series of these thoughts concerning what imagery has become, monday I was speaking with an interviewer for a local cable station that came to interview me regarding my photography and the local gallery show it will be included in. One of the things we discussed was that now because of digital photography there is an expectation of instant turn around of somethings, its also good and bad that the consuming public can produce good images without a lot of work. But the main thing i sense is a shorter attention span as a result of the bombardment of imagery the interviewer agreed but stated he had discussed the same subject with a colleague and the statement was that people in dealing with imagery from all directions one would think it would make people more alert. I see or believe I do, a direct relation between the photo industry changing and the changes for the worse in the economy in general.. but maybe I am wrong. Thanks for the link,...and topic for consideration. -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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"Frank Calidonna" wrote in message
... This being the most serious group of photographers (picture makers) that I find on the web I thought some of you might be interested in an article on The New Atlantis website: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/10/rosen.htm The author, Christine Rosen, contends that our culture is drowning in images too easily made by anyone and that the net effect is detrimental to us. Contrast that with Leonard Schlain's book "The Alphabet Vs. The Goddess" which credits our immersion in images as being very positive to the point of making feminism possible and you have quite a difference of opinion. Stir in a lot of Sontag's bs opinions on photography (my opinion) and the thoughts of others and I think we have an interesting discussion. To bad there isn't a newsgroup for rec.photo.philosophy. Anyway I just thought you might be interested what some think of our imagemaking pursuits. It reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut, who said that mass media has dulled us to the talent in our midst by only giving value to highly polished "acts". So when we go out with friends and one of them cuts loose with some amazing dance moves, instead of saying, wow, you can really dance, we say, man, were you ever drunk last night! -- Regards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com |
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"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote: http://www.americanscientist.org/tem.../assetid/29757 How does AmericanScientist get MouseOver sounds for the buttons at the top of the browser window? -- Robert Caponi ** T.W.I.D.N. ** http://home.earthlink.net/~tagutcow/ 'This Day' solo piano sheet music available for $3.oo http://home.earthlink.net/~tagutcow/music.html |
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"Gregory Blank" wrote
How does AmericanScientist get MouseOver sounds for the buttons at the top of the browser window? They probably use a java script which exists in the CSS file the page links to. Which would explain why it didn't happen on my computer. --oTTo-- |
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