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Buy film, not equipment.
I just got the Sept 18th edition of AP (a British magazine) and there was
an interesting guest editorial in it. The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, C.T.O. GW&T Ltd., Jerusalem Israel IL Voice: 972-544-608-069 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 |
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Użytkownik "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. And he was damn right too :-) I just need a bigger fridge, because mine is stuffed to the limits. Mainly with Tri-X, Neopan and Astia ;-) Regards, Magdalena |
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In article , "Magdalena W."
wrote: Użytkownik "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. And he was damn right too :-) I just need a bigger fridge, because mine is stuffed to the limits. Mainly with Tri-X, Neopan and Astia ;-) I'm in fact considering boycotting Kodak, since their CEOs are such fricking idiots and have discontinued too many of my favorite films (Pan-X, KM 25, and now Tech Pan.) If I have to, I'll use glass plates coated with my own emulsion. Screw Kodak and I hope they read that... O.K. rant over :-) -- Tom Phillips |
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The real issue isn't to buy more, it is to use more.
Maybe we should each declare one day a week a Newsgroup Free Day, and go photograph instead of cruising the 'net? Or make a solemn, kept promise to ourselves that we will each find a way to make twice as many negatives and prints next year as this year? Kodak, et al aren't going to keep materials in production just because we (me included) moan about them going away. The problem, as stated so well so long ago, is us. Excuse me, gotta go make some 8x10 negatives! Best to all, Bruce |
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Tom Phillips wrote in message ...
In article , "Magdalena W." wrote: Użytkownik "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. And he was damn right too :-) I just need a bigger fridge, because mine is stuffed to the limits. Mainly with Tri-X, Neopan and Astia ;-) I'm in fact considering boycotting Kodak, since their CEOs are such fricking idiots and have discontinued too many of my favorite films (Pan-X, KM 25, and now Tech Pan.) If I have to, I'll use glass plates coated with my own emulsion. Screw Kodak and I hope they read that... O.K. rant over :-) And they will discontinue the rest sooner or later. Support Ilford. In my opinion they have better products and they need you! |
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Least for B&W I agree, I received my 5 boxes of 4x5 and my 5 boxes
of 8x10 Delta 100. I really like some of Kodaks E6 films, for certain applications. In article , (Jytzel) wrote: And they will discontinue the rest sooner or later. Support Ilford. In my opinion they have better products and they need you! -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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Tom Phillips wrote:
In article , "Magdalena W." wrote: Użytkownik "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. And he was damn right too :-) I just need a bigger fridge, because mine is stuffed to the limits. Mainly with Tri-X, Neopan and Astia ;-) I'm in fact considering boycotting Kodak, since their CEOs are such fricking idiots and have discontinued too many of my favorite films (Pan-X, KM 25, and now Tech Pan.) By which you mean, because you can no longer get some films you liked, you'd like to hasten the demise of all films? If I have to, I'll use glass plates coated with my own emulsion. Screw Kodak and I hope they read that... At least I have cameras suitable for this -- a couple competent, reliable plate cameras from the 1920s and 1930s, originally made for dry plates. I don't, however, look forward to trying to make panchromatic emulsions of reasonable speed and then get them to stick to glass; if it comes to that it might turn out to be simpler to go all the way back to Daguerreotypes. -- I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. |
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In article , Donald
Qualls wrote: Tom Phillips wrote: In article , "Magdalena W." wrote: Użytkownik "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. And he was damn right too :-) I just need a bigger fridge, because mine is stuffed to the limits. Mainly with Tri-X, Neopan and Astia ;-) I'm in fact considering boycotting Kodak, since their CEOs are such fricking idiots and have discontinued too many of my favorite films (Pan-X, KM 25, and now Tech Pan.) By which you mean, because you can no longer get some films you liked, you'd like to hasten the demise of all films? No. By which I mean Kodak has shown they could give a rat's ass for anything. Kodak could do very well as a company just making and selling film, which is what they're good at. It may be a smaller company, but viable. Instead, the morons have always sought to get into areas that made little profit for the company. Sure, it's a business, but the dimwits at Kodak have consistently shown they have zero loyalty to the film market that has kept the company in business for over 100 years and even less loyalty to the photographers who have loyally supported Kodak. As a photographer, I can't and won't invest my labor in film products I can't be assured will be there even 2-3 years from now. Tech Pan was one of my favorite films. It's an **irreplacable** film. It was one of Kodak's best films ever. Kodak should wise up. It's they who are killing their own film market. If I have to, I'll use glass plates coated with my own emulsion. Screw Kodak and I hope they read that... At least I have cameras suitable for this -- a couple competent, reliable plate cameras from the 1920s and 1930s, originally made for dry plates. I don't, however, look forward to trying to make panchromatic emulsions of reasonable speed and then get them to stick to glass; if it comes to that it might turn out to be simpler to go all the way back to Daguerreotypes. Well, reasonable may be relative. I shot KM 25 and Tech Pan at ISO 20 for years... Hey, if William Henry Jackson could do it successfully under the most difficult circumstances (in the wilderness or on the tops of 13,000 foot mountains with no food or water for plate processing), it can't be that hard today :-) Besides, I'm sure there will be someone who continues to make film and dry plates. -- Tom Phillips |
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In article , David Nebenzahl
wrote: On 10/3/2004 3:00 AM Tom Phillips spake thus: In article , "Magdalena W." wrote: Użytkownik "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" The author suggested that if you wanted monochrome films to continue to be produced, you should avoid spending your money on "illusionary upgrades" and spend it on film. And he was damn right too :-) I just need a bigger fridge, because mine is stuffed to the limits. Mainly with Tri-X, Neopan and Astia ;-) I'm in fact considering boycotting Kodak, since their CEOs are such fricking idiots and have discontinued too many of my favorite films (Pan-X, KM 25, and now Tech Pan.) I'm sure such a boycott would be at least as effective as the famous "gas-out" boycott of recent memory. We all know how great an effect *that* had on gas prices. You miss the point. It's not about penalizing Kodak, but rather not investing *MY* photographic efforts in film products that Kodak will not support long term. -- Tom Phillips |
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Tom Phillips wrote:
Besides, I'm sure there will be someone who continues to make film and dry plates. You haven't shopped for dry plates lately, have you? AFAIK, there's one company on Earth still making them, a factory in Russia; a British distributor with a business model similar to J and C Photography in this country was, last I checked, in negotiation with them to purchase a lot of plates -- I recall the price was to run around $8 per plate in 9x12 cm size, plus shipping from England, with a minimum order of 100 plates. Out of my league... For a lot less than $8 per plate, I can buy Schott 2 mm glass precut to 9x12 cm size, chemically silver it, sensitize it with iodine and bromine vapor, and have modernized Daguerreotype plates on which to experiment with developing in modern chemicals instead of mercury vapor. I could pay back the investment for fuming boxes and other necessary equipment long before I'd go through that 100 plate minimum order -- and the images I'd produce would be much more memorable and saleable, if I'm so inclined, than a glass plate negative or ambrotype equivalent. -- I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. |
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