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Old February 21st 06, 10:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.

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Old February 21st 06, 11:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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RichA wrote:
With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.


30D doesn't really mean much. The addition of spot metering is enough to
grant a new name, but otherwise is is just evolution of 20D. From the
marketing point of view, they didn't do anything wrong. The critical
issue was whether Nikon's D200 will be perceived as competition to 5D or
20D. Now, when it has settled as direct competition to the latter as a
"better 20D" (and, as it turned out, it is not really that "better", to
say the least) Canon can take some time off and play a "evolutionary
upgrade for a bit less money" game. I guess we'll have to wait for the
next iteration.

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Old February 22nd 06, 04:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.


They've said that the 1.6x factor is here to stay. Between that,
marketing, and simple economics, I can't fathom why anyone would think that
it *would* go away. Even when the cost of FF sensors drops in half, 1.6x
will *still* cost less than half as much to produce (closer to 1/3),
allowing them a lower-cost entry-level camera - and the quality will still
be very good. There's simply no reason *not* to keep it, at least on the
lower end. And their introduction of an $1100, constant-aperture zoom EF-S
lens shows that they're not just keeping it for the very cheapest cameras,
but for somewhat more professional models as well.

steve


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Old February 22nd 06, 04:54 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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RichA wrote:
With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.


Why would they want to?

The 20D is a very capable machine. I expect that the 30D will be, as
well. I see the 30D as the chief competitor to Nikon's D200, which is
just fine with me; since I plan to get a D200, I would like to see all
the pressure on price that it can get. :-)

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Old February 22nd 06, 07:15 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"RichA" wrote in message
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: With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
: migrate completely away
: from sub-FF sensors.
:
There's a reason for that.
Canon EOS cameras have the shortest back focus distance of all the popular
SLRs. This produces it's own unique assembly line tolerance requirements as
far as manufacturing a camera goes.

The FF DSLRs create some challenges in design which are not easy to overcome
and take people back to a place in time where critical focus did not include
using electronic sharpening aids post shoot, because of the fuzz of an anti
alias filter over the sensor. FF sensors may be or may not be a viable
proposition for all situations. Certainly those who went back to a 5D from a
20D have no doubt discovered some quirks that do not exist in crop factor
cameras.

Plenty of 5D owners have discovered that the f/2.8 lens which had an
acceptable depth of field wide open on their 1.6x sensors, have quite
critical DOF limitations compared to 20Ds. It's like stepping back in time
to use a 5D after you've been accustomed to a crop factor lens. The only
problem there is the different techniques you must devise to overcome the
fact that pictures are not as sharp when you put a filter over the sensor to
stop a moiré effect.

The same lenses on a film camera are considerably crisper in every respect
and this is due entirely to Canon's use of an aggressive anti alias filter
because they can't overcome the moiré effect with a Bayer sensor. Personally
I prefer the sharpness from a Nikon or Olympus DSLR - as compared to that
from film, that the artificial sharpness from a Canon. The 5D may well be a
unique creature going the way of eye control and all those other wonderful
Canon failures.


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Old February 22nd 06, 11:40 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"RichA" wrote in message
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With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.

The other clue was a new, expensive EF-S 17~55 f:2.8 IS lens.



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Old February 23rd 06, 01:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:40:23 -0500, "Darrell Larose"
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"RichA" wrote in message
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With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.

The other clue was a new, expensive EF-S 17~55 f:2.8 IS lens.



That, and the fact producing even a cheap Rebel XT body with a FF
sensor and the lenses to match (FF lenses MADE for a digital sensors
as opposed to the film lenses now used) would be prohibitively
expensive for the large lower end of the market they want more of.
-Rich
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Old February 23rd 06, 07:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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RichA wrote:
With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.


No **** sherlock. Canon have made it clear that they're going with 1.6x
and 1x while dropping 1.3x. Where have you been?

Greg

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Old February 24th 06, 03:05 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:43:07 -0800, "G.T."
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RichA wrote:
With the release of the 30D, it does not appear Canon intends to
migrate completely away
from sub-FF sensors.


No **** sherlock. Canon have made it clear that they're going with 1.6x
and 1x while dropping 1.3x. Where have you been?

Greg


Others had offered the opinion that Canon was going to go FF and
nothing else with DSLRs.
-Rich
 




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