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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-15 23:53:23 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:29:05 +1200, Your Name wrote: Because Usenet (and email) is *meant* to be plain text. "Curly quotes" (and "curly apostrophes") are not part of plain text, so some usenet newsreader applications do not work with them, which is the correct approach. Same goes for other non-plain text typographical characters, such as long dashes and ellipsis. Some badly made Usenet newsreader applications do work with "curly quotes", etc., but they're a pain in the backside in proper Usenet reader applications since the characters come through as strange characters. I didn't know that a "curly quote" is different from a "regular" quote until Paul's note about PowerPoint automatically substituting "curly quotes" for regular quotes. Either your education was obviously sorely lacking in the proper basics and your teachers should be ashamed of themselves ... OR you were a lazy student who didn't pay enough attantion in class. :-) What the heck is the difference between regular and curly to us anyway? It's a quote for heaven's sake. What's so horrible about not-curly quotes that PowerPoint has to change them to "curly" quotes? Curly quotes look better and are (supposedly) easier to read. A similar reason as using a serif font for long pieces of text - the litle "tails" on the serif font's letters (supposedly) make it easier to read than using a sans serif font ... although these days that "rule" is largely ignored by magazines because sans serif fonts (supposedly, again) look more modern. Not all fonts actually have curly quotes though. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Your Name
wrote: On 2017-09-15 23:53:23 +0000, Chaya Eve said: I didn't know that a "curly quote" is different from a "regular" quote until Paul's note about PowerPoint automatically substituting "curly quotes" for regular quotes. Either your education was obviously sorely lacking in the proper basics and your teachers should be ashamed of themselves ... OR you were a lazy student who didn't pay enough attantion in class. :-) that is more true than you might think. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:32:29 +1200, Your Name wrote:
Either your education was obviously sorely lacking in the proper basics and your teachers should be ashamed of themselves ... OR you were a lazy student who didn't pay enough attantion in class. I grew up in the days of handwriting. That means from elementary school through graduate school - there was only one type of quote. A handwritten quote or a typewriter quote. The quotes were only different from the beginning (66) versus the end (99). But that was just what you did (just like every character you wrote was taught to you one way and only one way) and the typewriter had only one double quote shape. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:24:39 -0400, Ken Hart wrote:
Pick up a quality book from your book shelf, and look for a quote. (I just happened to pick up Rick Meyerowitz's "Drunk Stoned Brilliant Dead") At the beginning of the quote, the the double quotes have the dot at the bottom and the curly going up. At the end of the quote, the dot is at the top, and the curly goes down. I grew up in the days of handwriting. There was no other quote than the one we used. My first printed job was my CV at the end of grad school, where I let the printer choose the font. Nonethelsss, as I search, I find this: http://practicaltypography.com/strai...ly-quotes.html "Straight quotes come to us from the type*writer. In tra*di*tional print*ing, all quo*ta*tion marks were curly. But type*writer char*ac*ter sets were lim*ited by me*chan*i*cal con*straints and phys*i*cal space. By re*plac*ing the curly open*ing and clos*ing quotes with am*bidex*trous straight quotes, two slots be*came avail*able for other characters. Word proces*sors are not lim*ited in this way. You can al*ways get curly quotes. Com*pared to straight quotes, curly quotes are more leg*i*ble on the page and match the other char*ac*ters bet*ter. There*fore, straight quotes should never, ever ap*pear in your documents." |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-16 04:13:43 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:32:29 +1200, Your Name wrote: Either your education was obviously sorely lacking in the proper basics and your teachers should be ashamed of themselves ... OR you were a lazy student who didn't pay enough attention in class. I grew up in the days of handwriting. That means from elementary school through graduate school - there was only one type of quote. A handwritten quote or a typewriter quote. The quotes were only different from the beginning (66) versus the end (99). But that was just what you did (just like every character you wrote was taught to you one way and only one way) and the typewriter had only one double quote shape. 66 and 99 *are* the curly quote marks, so you did know about them. Typewriter (and plain text / ASCII) quote marks are normally short vertical lines. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
Chaya Eve wrote:
"Straight quotes come to us from the type�writer. In tra�di�tional print�ing, all quo�ta�tion marks were curly. But type�writer char�ac�ter sets were lim�ited by me�chan�i�cal con�straints and phys�i�cal space. By re�plac�ing the curly open�ing and clos�ing quotes with am�bidex�trous straight quotes, two slots be�came avail�able for other characters. Word proces�sors are not lim�ited in this way. You can al�ways get curly quotes. Com�pared to straight quotes, curly quotes are more leg�i�ble on the page and match the other char�ac�ters bet�ter. There�fore, straight quotes should never, ever ap�pear in your documents." Some sort of invisible syllable separator in the page you quoted from? |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
Andy Burns wrote:
Chaya Eve wrote: "Straight quotes come to us from the type�writer. In tra�di�tional print�ing, all quo�ta�tion marks were curly. But type�writer char�ac�ter sets were lim�ited by me�chan�i�cal con�straints and phys�i�cal space. By re�plac�ing the curly open�ing and clos�ing quotes with am�bidex�trous straight quotes, two slots be�came avail�able for other characters. Word proces�sors are not lim�ited in this way. You can al�ways get curly quotes. Com�pared to straight quotes, curly quotes are more leg�i�ble on the page and match the other char�ac�ters bet�ter. There�fore, straight quotes should never, ever ap�pear in your documents." Some sort of invisible syllable separator in the page you quoted from? Looks OK in the archive. http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...ia.aioe.org%3E Paul |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
Paul wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Chaya Eve wrote: "Straight quotes come to us from the type�writer. Some sort of invisible syllable separator in the page you quoted from? Looks OK in the archive. http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...ia.aioe.org%3E It might *look* OK, but if you copy the word 'typewriter' from the archive (or the original message) into a hex editor, there's a 0xC2 0xAD hiding between 'type' and 'writer' |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 12:15:44 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Some sort of invisible syllable separator in the page you quoted from? Looks OK in the archive. http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...ia.aioe.org%3E It might *look* OK, but if you copy the word 'typewriter' from the archive (or the original message) into a hex editor, there's a 0xC2 0xAD hiding between 'type' and 'writer' It was a verbatim cut and paste, so I agree with you on the invisible characters. The oddest thing is that these are just like those curly quotes and the curly apostrophe, where I see it just fine before I hit the SEND key in my Usenet client. It's only when it's received that the funky characters show up. In my text that I send, everything looks fine when I cut and paste. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:09:27 +1200, Your Name wrote:
66 and 99 *are* the curly quote marks, so you did know about them. Yes, but they were hand written quotes. So there was only one type of hand-written quote. Typewriter (and plain text / ASCII) quote marks are normally short vertical lines. Exactly. So there was only one type of type-written quote. |
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