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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
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wrote: This is the technical gist of what Neil said, just now, on the Windows newsgroup... ........ It's good that they're being so nice to you, because they want your business. However, what you ran into is no surprise to me. Illustrator is a complex program that requires users to have a good understanding of vector graphics programs. I've used the AI program for over 30 years. What Windows group is that supposed to be? alt.comp.os.windows-10 What date and time was that message supposedly posted? the same time frame as this thread. he likes to post the same garbage in different groups at the same time, then compare the 'adult' answers with those from 'children'. |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said:
As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use. Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it. Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know. I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office. And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel. PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than Word's awful "layout" capabilities. |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
On 4/19/2018 1:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2018-04-19 10:04 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote: [...] Note that we never once claimed to be experts, so, you, nospam, Savageduck, Jolly Roger, and most of all Alan Baker can feel haughty that you know far more than we ever will - which we never would disagree with. You claimed: 'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.' That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine. -- best regards, Neil |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
In article , Your Name
wrote: PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than Word's awful "layout" capabilities. not by anyone with a clue, it isn't. |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
On 2018-04-19 2:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said: As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use. Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it. Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know. I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office. And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel. PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app for making things like in-house brochures, certificates, etc. because it's easier to use than Word's awful "layout" capabilities. I know that is sometimes done... ....and certainly Word IS awful at it... ....but most people—the vast majority—still don't use PowerPoint even if they do have Office installed. 'Sof****ch also looked more deeply at how people were using each application by dividing users into four categories; heavy users, light editors, viewers (i.e. people who looked at documents but did nothing else) and inactive users who didn’t use the program at all. Here the results were even more stark, with 29 percent of users either never using Excel/Word or only using it to view documents; for PowerPoint the percentage was an astonishing 70 percent. For Word, a further 62 percent were classed as light users, while another 53 percent of Excel users fell into this category. As to PowerPoint, it was easier in the end to say who was using it than who wasn’t - only about one in twenty could described as heavy users even when applying a low threshold of what defined this type of usage.' https://www.techworld.com/news/security/microsoft-office-applications-barely-used-by-many-employees-new-study-shows-3514565/ |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
On 2018-04-19 2:32 PM, Neil wrote:
On 4/19/2018 1:18 PM, Alan Baker wrote: On 2018-04-19 10:04 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote: [...] Note that we never once claimed to be experts, so, you, nospam, Savageduck, Jolly Roger, and most of all Alan Baker can feel haughty that you know far more than we ever will - which we never would disagree with. You claimed: 'I've used the AI program for over 30 years.' That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine. Ah. Then I apologize for the misunderstanding. |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil:
That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine. Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth. I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group. Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic arts. That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary arts college. You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake. You make things extremely complex Neil. Not everyone needs to hire a professional spaghetti boiler or to go to culinary arts school just to boil spaghetti. There is a LOT to know about the field beyond the particular tools used, which change from time to time but retain their underlying objectives (Illustrator was preceded by other vector graphics programs, but they worked similarly with the same purpose). The real problem here is that some people think that they can do things that they know absolutely nothing about and still get good results. It's a sign for heaven's sake Neil. A sign. We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign. We don't need to train 27 people to learn how to use graphic software just to change text (it was 20, but another road of 7 people wanted the same signs, which is the batch we're doing now). Just because something is free does not make it good (more likely, it guarantees limitations). Neil. You seem to have a bug up your butt that only a professional spaghetti boiler can boil spaghetti. Nobody is saying that a professional can't do any job better, but you don't need to go to culinary school and buy special spaghetti boiling equipment just to boil spaghetti. You just don't. Point in fact, the RoadGeek font is *perfect* for this application. PowerPoint is *perfect* for this application, especially as it seems to be the case that none of the 27 households doesn't already have it, and, luckily for us, none are on the Mac (which makes things easier since the PowerPoint won't work as well on the Mac as it does on Windows due to the well-known font embedding lack-of-functionality issues on the Mac). Any professional in the graphic arts would roll their eyes at a clueless TrueType font user, and it has nothing at all to do with platform or applications, it's about understanding fonts. Neil, It's you who appears to be clueless. You seem to think that only a professional spaghetti boiler can boil spaghetti. For you to suggest to hire a professional just to change some text is an indication that you don't comprehend the simplest of problem sets and solutions. This is not rocket science Neil. It's a single page powerpoint file that we're printing. The flaws are on the Mac and Adobe (neither can handle fonts that are embedded) and even AI is screwing up on AI file, but there's nothing wrong with the process up to the point that it gets onto the Mac at the printer's shop. It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise. |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
On 2018-04-19 3:41 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:32:44 -0400, schrieb Neil: That may have been one of his "bad snips" from a post of mine. Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth. Like the "truth" that the Mac version of PowerPoint would fail on a document with embedded fonts? I just posted this, to you Neil, on the Windows group. Better yet, go to college as an arts major with a focus on the graphic arts. That's like saying you can't boil spaghetti without going to a culinary arts college. You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake. Yet screwing it up badly. You make things extremely complex Neil. Not everyone needs to hire a professional spaghetti boiler or to go to culinary arts school just to boil spaghetti. There is a LOT to know about the field beyond the particular tools used, which change from time to time but retain their underlying objectives (Illustrator was preceded by other vector graphics programs, but they worked similarly with the same purpose). The real problem here is that some people think that they can do things that they know absolutely nothing about and still get good results. It's a sign for heaven's sake Neil. A sign. We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign. You DO need vector graphics, twit. We don't need to train 27 people to learn how to use graphic software just to change text (it was 20, but another road of 7 people wanted the same signs, which is the batch we're doing now). Just because something is free does not make it good (more likely, it guarantees limitations). Neil. You seem to have a bug up your butt that only a professional spaghetti boiler can boil spaghetti. Nobody is saying that a professional can't do any job better, but you don't need to go to culinary school and buy special spaghetti boiling equipment just to boil spaghetti. You just don't. Point in fact, the RoadGeek font is *perfect* for this application. PowerPoint is *perfect* for this application, especially as it seems to be the case that none of the 27 households doesn't already have it, and, luckily for us, none are on the Mac (which makes things easier since the PowerPoint won't work as well on the Mac as it does on Windows due to the well-known font embedding lack-of-functionality issues on the Mac). Which is a non-difference if you can distribute the font to all those same people... Any professional in the graphic arts would roll their eyes at a clueless TrueType font user, and it has nothing at all to do with platform or applications, it's about understanding fonts. Neil, It's you who appears to be clueless. You seem to think that only a professional spaghetti boiler can boil spaghetti. For you to suggest to hire a professional just to change some text is an indication that you don't comprehend the simplest of problem sets and solutions. This is not rocket science Neil. It's a single page powerpoint file that we're printing. The flaws are on the Mac and Adobe (neither can handle fonts that are embedded) and even AI is screwing up on AI file, but there's nothing wrong with the process up to the point that it gets onto the Mac at the printer's shop. There is nothing about the Mac that can't handle fonts embedded in documents, twit. And if there is a problem with the file you give it, that's hardly Illustrators problem. It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise. No. It's only when YOU touched the files that there was a problem. |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint withfonts?
On 2018-04-19, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-19 18:01:16 +0000, Alan Baker said: As agreed, it's in PowerPoint, which everyone has & knows how to use. Everyone does NOT have it, and many who have it know nothing about it. Again you brazenly fabricate what you don't know. I do know that there are lots of people who don't have Microsoft Office. And of those who have it, most of them use Word and Excel. PowerPoint is often used as a stand-in DTP app Only by neophytes. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
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Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:48:38 -0700, schrieb Alan Baker:
Thanks for explaining to Alan that I only tell the truth. Like the "truth" that the Mac version of PowerPoint would fail on a document with embedded fonts? Alan, You seem to be exactly like *nospam* playing your silly semantic games. What is it about Apple Apologists that they can't admit simple facts? Everyone knows that the Windows version of MS Office embeds fonts such that *everyone* who touches the document has full access to the fonts, simply by virtue of having the document. That's a fact. That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact. Likewise, everyone knows that the Mac version of MS Office just doesn't respect the fonts that are embedded in that very same document. This is common knowledge. That you Apple Apologists have this strange propensity to hate facts that everyone already knows about, is one thing ... But then for you to play the same silly semantic games trying to dance around that fact just proves that you Apple Apologists are all the same. You Apple Apologists have zero technical expertise. All you can do is punch buttons. So all you *can* do is play your silly semantic games. You keep admonishing to "hire a professional spaghetti boiler" when all we're doing is changing text for heaven's sake. Yet screwing it up badly. All the Windows files work fine until they touch the Mac. That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact. We don't need vector graphics, for example, for a sign. You DO need vector graphics, twit. With a vinyl printer? For a 12x24-inch sign. *Are you nuts?* Or just stupid? I've been gracious by alotting you a fifth-grade mentality. Your vocabulary proves you haven't matured past about third grade. Which is a non-difference if you can distribute the font to all those same people... All you Apple Apologists do is dance around the fact that the Mac MS Office is basically non functional when compared to the Windows MS Office in the simple functional task of respecting embedded fonts. That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact. There is nothing about the Mac that can't handle fonts embedded in documents, twit. Your third-grade mentality is showing again when you complain about a fact that everyone already knows about, which is that the Mac MS Office lacks the functionality of the Windows MS Office. That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact. And if there is a problem with the file you give it, that's hardly Illustrators problem. There's nothing wrong with the file we created on Windows. It's only when that file touches the Mac that problems arise. That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact. It's only when YOU touched the files that there was a problem. The files work great on Windows. It's only when the files touch the Mac that problems arise. That you Apple Apologists hate that fact doesn't make it not a fact. |
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