Tech Support?

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 21:32:47 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely
uncommon.

it's not impossible, as hd support can be done via jailbreaking.
however, even those who jailbreak don't even bother doing it.

who wants to have hard drives hanging off their mobile devices? it
makes the devices non-mobile. it's stupid.

S'funny. I have a hard drive and some stuff even larger hanging of my
iPad whenever I back it up, synchronise it etc.

no you don't.

what you might have is an ipad plugged into a computer's usb port
(since it supports usb), and the *computer* has a hard drive attached
to *it*. backups and syncing is done via software on the computer,
namely itunes.

but you don't need to do that. you can backup and sync *without*
tethering it to a computer.

apple added wifi syncing a couple of years ago because people didn't
want to plug it into a computer all the time, for the reason i gave.

they also added icloud backups which makes it even easier since you
don't need a computer or a hard drive at all (itunes has to be running
for wifi sync). it's all automatic, as it should be.

How do I run iTunes without a computer.

What's the range of the iPad's WiFi link.

Whatever it is I am still effectively tethered to the computer.

Come to think of it, I
have even more stuff hanging off it when I plug it into the wall of my
house when I want to charge. You want to try walking around with a
house attached, especially when you are inside the house!

charging obviously needs to be tethered, but it can be done when the
ipad is *not* in use, such as overnight.

But I want to use my iPad at night!

ipads last well in excess of a day on battery in continuous use (which
means several days in typical use) so there's almost never a reason to
charge it while actually using it.

in other words, the lack of mobility while charging is a non-issue.

So how is that lack of mobility when charging is a non-issue but lack
of mobility when PeterN want's to do his thing is a BIG issue?


on the other hand, plugging in and using a hard drive, assuming it was
possible, would only be done when using the device. plugging in a hard
drive when not using the ipad, such as overnight for charging, makes
even less sense than it already does.

Only to you.

But I don't mind my my mobile device's non-mobility for the duration
of those task.

you personally might not, but most people do.

Do you hate non-mobility when the iPad is charging?

that's why apple added wifi and icloud backups. in fact, *not* wanting
to tether the device to do a backup was a highly requested feature.
it's obvious that people *don't* want to tether it. it's a mobile
device.

It's a bummer about the power supply, isn't it?

it's not worth the bother to support. there are far more important
things to do than satisfy a couple of people who don't understand
mobile devices.

"Don't understand" = "Want's to do somethhing you don't want to do"

or more accurately, 'is trying to get it to do things for which it was
not designed and wondering why it isn't working.'

All it lacks is the software.

mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging
off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its
face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid.

Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you
to say he's wrong?

this may come to you as a surprise, but apple did not design the ipad
just for peter.

Or for you.

i never said it was designed for me. it's designed for the masses.

Some of whom would no doubt want to do what PeterN wants to do.

You see this as a problem which you wish to avoid. Other people would
see it as an opportunity.

that means there is a small number of people for whom another product
would be a better choice.

they designed the ipad for common use cases. they did not design it for
every possible use case under the sun, something which is incredibly
stupid. that's a recipe for failure.

what's also stupid is trying to use a device for something it was not
intended and then ranting how it's a subpar device because of some
niche use case is not fulfilled. there are better solutions for what he
wants to do. nothing wrong with that. no device can do everything
perfectly.

like i said, if you want to move a piano you something designed to move
large heavy objects, namely a truck and a couple of helpers too.

what you *don't* do is try to figure out how to fit a piano into a car.
a car was never designed to move pianos. maybe it can be done in some
bizarre edge cases, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience. a
car is the *wrong* solution.

Some enterprising person invented the towing hitch.

cars don't come with towing hitches.

Very astute of you to notice that.

that means you have to add a hitch to the car, which also must be done
properly to not damage the car and not come off unexpectedly (i.e.,
have a mechanic do it).

Computers used to be like that. Now you can do almost anything of
which the device is capable just by writing a suitable 'app'.

you also have to get a trailer suitable to hold a piano (the smaller
ones probably aren't) and be sure the car can tow the weight of the
trailer+piano. not all cars can.

you also have to be able to drive an articulating vehicle, something
that's not as easy as a truck, especially on hills and curves.

I suspect you would have just stood there and said "You are crazy for
wanting to do that".

i would hire piano movers and let them do it. they know how to
efficiently move a piano without damaging it. i do not, nor do i know
anyone who does.

and guess what - they won't show up in a car with a tow hitch. they
will show up with a truck.

i wonder why that is.

Because they don't have the desire to move a piano with a car?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 10/3/2013 9:32 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any
of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the
port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the
hardware (in this case, Apple).

that is correct.

not supporting a particular device does not mean it's not usb compliant.

OK Prove that it is compliant.

the burden is on you to prove that it's not. all existing evidence
shows that it is compliant, which everyone except you can see.

you're the one who claims it's not compliant and is fabricating things
apple said about it. in other words, bull****.

IOW you cannot prove it is a USB port. I sent you a link, that you ignored.

i didn't ignore it.

i said it's nothing more than someone on a public forum saying it
doesn't have usb. that is *not* an official statement and that person
is not speaking in any official capacity.

it's like citing wikipedia as an authoritative source.

Now show me one piece of Apple literature that says the lightning
connector on the iPad is a USB port.

show me one piece of apple literature that says it isn't. you claim
apple told you that, so they must have such a document. absent that,
you're blowing smoke.

the mere fact that the ipad shows up in the usb device tree is proof
(and i doubt you know what that means).


You must really think that argument will win. You made a statement about
a positive. The failure to prove exestince is proof that you are lying,
as usual.


--
PeterN

rOn Thu, 03 Oct 2013 21:32:51 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any
of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the
port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the
hardware (in this case, Apple).

that is correct.

not supporting a particular device does not mean it's not usb compliant.

OK Prove that it is compliant.

the burden is on you to prove that it's not. all existing evidence
shows that it is compliant, which everyone except you can see.

you're the one who claims it's not compliant and is fabricating things
apple said about it. in other words, bull****.

IOW you cannot prove it is a USB port. I sent you a link, that you ignored.

i didn't ignore it.

i said it's nothing more than someone on a public forum saying it
doesn't have usb. that is *not* an official statement and that person
is not speaking in any official capacity.

it's like citing wikipedia as an authoritative source.

Now show me one piece of Apple literature that says the lightning
connector on the iPad is a USB port.

show me one piece of apple literature that says it isn't. you claim
apple told you that, so they must have such a document. absent that,
you're blowing smoke.

I am sure that the Lightning connector incorporates firmware which
detects which way round it has been inserted and routes the
connections to the pins accordingly. No USB specification says
anything about doing this kind of thing.

I am sure you also know that Apple sell a Lightning to USB adaptor.

On that basis, the Lightning port is NOT USB compliant, but it can be
made so with an external adaptor.

the mere fact that the ipad shows up in the usb device tree is proof
(and i doubt you know what that means).
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2013-10-03 18:32:51 -0700, nospam said:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any
of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the
port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the
hardware (in this case, Apple).

that is correct.

not supporting a particular device does not mean it's not usb compliant.

OK Prove that it is compliant.

the burden is on you to prove that it's not. all existing evidence
shows that it is compliant, which everyone except you can see.

you're the one who claims it's not compliant and is fabricating things
apple said about it. in other words, bull****.

IOW you cannot prove it is a USB port. I sent you a link, that you ignored.

i didn't ignore it.

i said it's nothing more than someone on a public forum saying it
doesn't have usb. that is *not* an official statement and that person
is not speaking in any official capacity.

it's like citing wikipedia as an authoritative source.

Now show me one piece of Apple literature that says the lightning
connector on the iPad is a USB port.

show me one piece of apple literature that says it isn't. you claim
apple told you that, so they must have such a document. absent that,
you're blowing smoke.

the mere fact that the ipad shows up in the usb device tree is proof
(and i doubt you know what that means).

Of course Peter wouldn't know what that means. He doesn't use a Mac &
he doesn't own an iPad.
This might help;
https://db.tt/Nb6dRzVh


--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely
uncommon.

it's not impossible, as hd support can be done via jailbreaking.
however, even those who jailbreak don't even bother doing it.

who wants to have hard drives hanging off their mobile devices? it
makes the devices non-mobile. it's stupid.

S'funny. I have a hard drive and some stuff even larger hanging of my
iPad whenever I back it up, synchronise it etc.

no you don't.

what you might have is an ipad plugged into a computer's usb port
(since it supports usb), and the *computer* has a hard drive attached
to *it*. backups and syncing is done via software on the computer,
namely itunes.

but you don't need to do that. you can backup and sync *without*
tethering it to a computer.

apple added wifi syncing a couple of years ago because people didn't
want to plug it into a computer all the time, for the reason i gave.

they also added icloud backups which makes it even easier since you
don't need a computer or a hard drive at all (itunes has to be running
for wifi sync). it's all automatic, as it should be.

How do I run iTunes without a computer.

exactly my point.

you have it connected to a computer, not a hard drive.

What's the range of the iPad's WiFi link.

depends on the wifi network.

Whatever it is I am still effectively tethered to the computer.

you aren't tethered when on wifi. tether means cable.

Come to think of it, I
have even more stuff hanging off it when I plug it into the wall of my
house when I want to charge. You want to try walking around with a
house attached, especially when you are inside the house!

charging obviously needs to be tethered, but it can be done when the
ipad is *not* in use, such as overnight.

But I want to use my iPad at night!

then charge it during the day.

the point is the battery lasts many days in normal use and you *will*
have to sleep at some point. charge it then.

ipads last well in excess of a day on battery in continuous use (which
means several days in typical use) so there's almost never a reason to
charge it while actually using it.

in other words, the lack of mobility while charging is a non-issue.

So how is that lack of mobility when charging is a non-issue but lack
of mobility when PeterN want's to do his thing is a BIG issue?

because he's not sleeping at the time.

on the other hand, plugging in and using a hard drive, assuming it was
possible, would only be done when using the device. plugging in a hard
drive when not using the ipad, such as overnight for charging, makes
even less sense than it already does.

Only to you.

no, not only to me.

But I don't mind my my mobile device's non-mobility for the duration
of those task.

you personally might not, but most people do.

Do you hate non-mobility when the iPad is charging?

no, because it charges when i'm not using it, as in sleeping or out or
whatever.

that's why apple added wifi and icloud backups. in fact, *not* wanting
to tether the device to do a backup was a highly requested feature.
it's obvious that people *don't* want to tether it. it's a mobile
device.

It's a bummer about the power supply, isn't it?

huh?

it's not worth the bother to support. there are far more important
things to do than satisfy a couple of people who don't understand
mobile devices.

"Don't understand" = "Want's to do somethhing you don't want to do"

or more accurately, 'is trying to get it to do things for which it was
not designed and wondering why it isn't working.'

All it lacks is the software.

it doesn't matter what it lacks. it's not designed to do certain things
and trying to get it to do those things is not going to meet with much
success.

mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging
off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its
face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid.

Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you
to say he's wrong?

this may come to you as a surprise, but apple did not design the ipad
just for peter.

Or for you.

i never said it was designed for me. it's designed for the masses.

Some of whom would no doubt want to do what PeterN wants to do.

very, very few.

You see this as a problem which you wish to avoid. Other people would
see it as an opportunity.

most people don't care. they realize what the ipad is good at and what
it's not good at and choose accordingly.

that means there is a small number of people for whom another product
would be a better choice.

they designed the ipad for common use cases. they did not design it for
every possible use case under the sun, something which is incredibly
stupid. that's a recipe for failure.

what's also stupid is trying to use a device for something it was not
intended and then ranting how it's a subpar device because of some
niche use case is not fulfilled. there are better solutions for what he
wants to do. nothing wrong with that. no device can do everything
perfectly.

like i said, if you want to move a piano you something designed to move
large heavy objects, namely a truck and a couple of helpers too.

what you *don't* do is try to figure out how to fit a piano into a car.
a car was never designed to move pianos. maybe it can be done in some
bizarre edge cases, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience. a
car is the *wrong* solution.

Some enterprising person invented the towing hitch.

cars don't come with towing hitches.

Very astute of you to notice that.

in other words, a car is not a good choice for moving a piano, as i
said.

that means you have to add a hitch to the car, which also must be done
properly to not damage the car and not come off unexpectedly (i.e.,
have a mechanic do it).

Computers used to be like that. Now you can do almost anything of
which the device is capable just by writing a suitable 'app'.

you could always write an app for a computer, even decades ago.

the difference is that today's computers are vastly more capable and
it's also much easier to write apps because the development environment
and compilers are significantly better than what was.

you also have to get a trailer suitable to hold a piano (the smaller
ones probably aren't) and be sure the car can tow the weight of the
trailer+piano. not all cars can.

you also have to be able to drive an articulating vehicle, something
that's not as easy as a truck, especially on hills and curves.

I suspect you would have just stood there and said "You are crazy for
wanting to do that".

i would hire piano movers and let them do it. they know how to
efficiently move a piano without damaging it. i do not, nor do i know
anyone who does.

and guess what - they won't show up in a car with a tow hitch. they
will show up with a truck.

i wonder why that is.

Because they don't have the desire to move a piano with a car?

because they know a truck is a much, much better choice.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

OK Prove that it is compliant.

the burden is on you to prove that it's not. all existing evidence
shows that it is compliant, which everyone except you can see.

you're the one who claims it's not compliant and is fabricating things
apple said about it. in other words, bull****.

IOW you cannot prove it is a USB port. I sent you a link, that you ignored.

i didn't ignore it.

i said it's nothing more than someone on a public forum saying it
doesn't have usb. that is *not* an official statement and that person
is not speaking in any official capacity.

it's like citing wikipedia as an authoritative source.

Now show me one piece of Apple literature that says the lightning
connector on the iPad is a USB port.

show me one piece of apple literature that says it isn't. you claim
apple told you that, so they must have such a document. absent that,
you're blowing smoke.

the mere fact that the ipad shows up in the usb device tree is proof
(and i doubt you know what that means).

You must really think that argument will win.

truth always wins in the end.

You made a statement about
a positive. The failure to prove exestince is proof that you are lying,
as usual.

i already explained it a couple of times. you are too stupid to
understand anything i wrote.

you also have yet to substantiate your statement with anything official
from apple. you are as usual, blowing smoke.

and what happened to eod? that is clear proof you are lying.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I am sure that the Lightning connector incorporates firmware which
detects which way round it has been inserted and routes the
connections to the pins accordingly. No USB specification says
anything about doing this kind of thing.

lightning is an adaptive connector that can redefine the purpose of the
various pins.

it can be usb 2 and can even be usb 3 (which doesn't make sense for
idevices at this time, but it might in the future). it can be used for
audio or video too.

think of it as a superset of usb, hdmi and others.

I am sure you also know that Apple sell a Lightning to USB adaptor.

they sell a lightning-usb cable, and when connected to a usb host, the
ipad is a fully compliant usb peripheral.

they also sell a camera connection kit which gives the ipad limited usb
host functionality, again, compliant with the spec.

On that basis, the Lightning port is NOT USB compliant, but it can be
made so with an external adaptor.

the ipad is a usb device and always has been a usb device. every single
ios device is a usb device.

it's really a simple concept.

In article 201310031939289530-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

OK Prove that it is compliant.

the burden is on you to prove that it's not. all existing evidence
shows that it is compliant, which everyone except you can see.

you're the one who claims it's not compliant and is fabricating things
apple said about it. in other words, bull****.

IOW you cannot prove it is a USB port. I sent you a link, that you ignored.

i didn't ignore it.

i said it's nothing more than someone on a public forum saying it
doesn't have usb. that is *not* an official statement and that person
is not speaking in any official capacity.

it's like citing wikipedia as an authoritative source.

Now show me one piece of Apple literature that says the lightning
connector on the iPad is a USB port.

show me one piece of apple literature that says it isn't. you claim
apple told you that, so they must have such a document. absent that,
you're blowing smoke.

the mere fact that the ipad shows up in the usb device tree is proof
(and i doubt you know what that means).

Of course Peter wouldn't know what that means. He doesn't use a Mac &
he doesn't own an iPad.

one does not need to own a mac or an ipad to understand how usb works.

he doesn't know what it means because he's non-technical and won't
admit when he's in over his head.

This might help;
https://db.tt/Nb6dRzVh

it might.

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 23:03:57 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely
uncommon.

it's not impossible, as hd support can be done via jailbreaking.
however, even those who jailbreak don't even bother doing it.

who wants to have hard drives hanging off their mobile devices? it
makes the devices non-mobile. it's stupid.

S'funny. I have a hard drive and some stuff even larger hanging of my
iPad whenever I back it up, synchronise it etc.

no you don't.

what you might have is an ipad plugged into a computer's usb port
(since it supports usb), and the *computer* has a hard drive attached
to *it*. backups and syncing is done via software on the computer,
namely itunes.

but you don't need to do that. you can backup and sync *without*
tethering it to a computer.

apple added wifi syncing a couple of years ago because people didn't
want to plug it into a computer all the time, for the reason i gave.

they also added icloud backups which makes it even easier since you
don't need a computer or a hard drive at all (itunes has to be running
for wifi sync). it's all automatic, as it should be.

How do I run iTunes without a computer.

exactly my point.

you have it connected to a computer, not a hard drive.

iTunes is the subject.

What's the range of the iPad's WiFi link.

depends on the wifi network.

Whatever it is I am still effectively tethered to the computer.

you aren't tethered when on wifi. tether means cable.

Running your own unique word meanings again?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering

"Tethering refers to connecting one device to another. In the
context of mobile phones or Internet tablets, tethering allows
sharing the Internet connection of the phone or tablet with other
devices such as laptops. Connection of the phone or tablet with
other devices can be done over wireless LAN (Wi-Fi), over
Bluetooth or by physical connection using a cable, for example
through USB."

"If tethering is done over Wi-Fi, the feature may be branded as a
Mobile Hotspot."

Come to think of it, I
have even more stuff hanging off it when I plug it into the wall of my
house when I want to charge. You want to try walking around with a
house attached, especially when you are inside the house!

charging obviously needs to be tethered, but it can be done when the
ipad is *not* in use, such as overnight.

But I want to use my iPad at night!

then charge it during the day.

I didn't say 'only at night'.

I want to use my iPad anytime both night and day.

the point is the battery lasts many days in normal use and you *will*
have to sleep at some point. charge it then.

ipads last well in excess of a day on battery in continuous use (which
means several days in typical use) so there's almost never a reason to
charge it while actually using it.

in other words, the lack of mobility while charging is a non-issue.

So how is that lack of mobility when charging is a non-issue but lack
of mobility when PeterN want's to do his thing is a BIG issue?

because he's not sleeping at the time.

But I may be awake when charging becomes necessary!

on the other hand, plugging in and using a hard drive, assuming it was
possible, would only be done when using the device. plugging in a hard
drive when not using the ipad, such as overnight for charging, makes
even less sense than it already does.

Only to you.

no, not only to me.

But I don't mind my my mobile device's non-mobility for the duration
of those task.

you personally might not, but most people do.

Do you hate non-mobility when the iPad is charging?

no, because it charges when i'm not using it, as in sleeping or out or
whatever.

that's why apple added wifi and icloud backups. in fact, *not* wanting
to tether the device to do a backup was a highly requested feature.
it's obvious that people *don't* want to tether it. it's a mobile
device.

It's a bummer about the power supply, isn't it?

huh?

it's not worth the bother to support. there are far more important
things to do than satisfy a couple of people who don't understand
mobile devices.

"Don't understand" = "Want's to do somethhing you don't want to do"

or more accurately, 'is trying to get it to do things for which it was
not designed and wondering why it isn't working.'

All it lacks is the software.

it doesn't matter what it lacks. it's not designed to do certain things
and trying to get it to do those things is not going to meet with much
success.

I'm sure that's nonsense. All it requires is the right app and PeterN
can supply the necessary external hardware.

mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging
off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its
face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid.

Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you
to say he's wrong?

this may come to you as a surprise, but apple did not design the ipad
just for peter.

Or for you.

i never said it was designed for me. it's designed for the masses.

Some of whom would no doubt want to do what PeterN wants to do.

very, very few.

How do you know? Have you been flying again?

You see this as a problem which you wish to avoid. Other people would
see it as an opportunity.

most people don't care. they realize what the ipad is good at and what
it's not good at and choose accordingly.

That's why so many apps have been written to do things which were not
built into the original device.

that means there is a small number of people for whom another product
would be a better choice.

they designed the ipad for common use cases. they did not design it for
every possible use case under the sun, something which is incredibly
stupid. that's a recipe for failure.

what's also stupid is trying to use a device for something it was not
intended and then ranting how it's a subpar device because of some
niche use case is not fulfilled. there are better solutions for what he
wants to do. nothing wrong with that. no device can do everything
perfectly.

like i said, if you want to move a piano you something designed to move
large heavy objects, namely a truck and a couple of helpers too.

what you *don't* do is try to figure out how to fit a piano into a car.
a car was never designed to move pianos. maybe it can be done in some
bizarre edge cases, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience. a
car is the *wrong* solution.

Some enterprising person invented the towing hitch.

cars don't come with towing hitches.

Very astute of you to notice that.

in other words, a car is not a good choice for moving a piano, as i
said.

Maybe so, but I've done it.

that means you have to add a hitch to the car, which also must be done
properly to not damage the car and not come off unexpectedly (i.e.,
have a mechanic do it).

Computers used to be like that. Now you can do almost anything of
which the device is capable just by writing a suitable 'app'.

you could always write an app for a computer, even decades ago.

But it's not possible to write a suitable one for the iPad today, so
you say.

the difference is that today's computers are vastly more capable and
it's also much easier to write apps because the development environment
and compilers are significantly better than what was.

you also have to get a trailer suitable to hold a piano (the smaller
ones probably aren't) and be sure the car can tow the weight of the
trailer+piano. not all cars can.

you also have to be able to drive an articulating vehicle, something
that's not as easy as a truck, especially on hills and curves.

I suspect you would have just stood there and said "You are crazy for
wanting to do that".

i would hire piano movers and let them do it. they know how to
efficiently move a piano without damaging it. i do not, nor do i know
anyone who does.

and guess what - they won't show up in a car with a tow hitch. they
will show up with a truck.

i wonder why that is.

Because they don't have the desire to move a piano with a car?

because they know a truck is a much, much better choice.
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Eric Stevens

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 23:04:02 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I am sure that the Lightning connector incorporates firmware which
detects which way round it has been inserted and routes the
connections to the pins accordingly. No USB specification says
anything about doing this kind of thing.

lightning is an adaptive connector that can redefine the purpose of the
various pins.

That's what I said, but apart from that you are squinking.

it can be usb 2 and can even be usb 3 ...

But not of itself. It requires a variety of hardware to act as an
exterenal USB adaptor.

... (which doesn't make sense for
idevices at this time, but it might in the future). it can be used for
audio or video too.

think of it as a superset of usb, hdmi and others.

I am sure you also know that Apple sell a Lightning to USB adaptor.

they sell a lightning-usb cable, and when connected to a usb host, the
ipad is a fully compliant usb peripheral.

Dead right, and without that adaptor it cannot connect to USB. The
Lightning port is NOT USB compliant in any sense of the term.

they also sell a camera connection kit which gives the ipad limited usb
host functionality, again, compliant with the spec.

With an adaptor.

On that basis, the Lightning port is NOT USB compliant, but it can be
made so with an external adaptor.

the ipad is a usb device and always has been a usb device. every single
ios device is a usb device.

So too is the iPad but only with the external adaptor.

it's really a simple concept.

Not too simple for you to try to argue your way around it.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens