Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown

On 2016-07-22 21:30:46 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:53:04 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 7/22/2016 9:03 AM, PAS wrote:
On 7/21/2016 2:05 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za




A

lot

of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your
$150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250.
The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.

Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in
'70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to
$0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps.


That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I
bought a diesel.


A Volvo?


Nope. An Olds. It used diesel fuel, but was really a gas engine that had
been converted to diesel.

I also had an Olds diesel, but it was a station wagon. Zero to 50
after keeping if floored for a mile or so. Going up the entrance ramp
to I-4 the cars behind me were blind from my black smoke exhaust.

Huge, comfortable boat with a rear-facing third row of seats. I
wasn't an Olds engine, but I forget what engine had been stuck in
there.

Gave that to a nephew and bought a Volvo 544 with stick shift. Gas,
but good mileage.


The worst car I have ever owned was a 1975 Olds Cutlass with the 455 cu
in V8. The only thing solid in that sled was the engine. I replaced it
with a Subaru, which had over trouble free 200K miles on it. I have
never considered a GM product ever since. Ford (3), Chrysler (2), and
Mercedes (4) for the last 30 years.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:30:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:53:04 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 7/22/2016 9:03 AM, PAS wrote:
On 7/21/2016 2:05 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za




A

lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your
$150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250.
The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.

Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in
'70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to
$0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps.


That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I
bought a diesel.


A Volvo?


Nope. An Olds. It used diesel fuel, but was really a gas engine that had
been converted to diesel.

I also had an Olds diesel, but it was a station wagon. Zero to 50
after keeping if floored for a mile or so. Going up the entrance ramp
to I-4 the cars behind me were blind from my black smoke exhaust.

Huge, comfortable boat with a rear-facing third row of seats. I
wasn't an Olds engine, but I forget what engine had been stuck in
there.

They had a 3 liter V6 for the smaller cars, and those weren't so bad.
If it was a V8, and it came out of the factory that way, it was an
Olds engine.

And in reality, the V8 wasn't a converted gas engine. It was designed
to be a diesel, but it was designed around the gas engine. It was also
designed very badly. Massive oil leaks, pump issues that could make
the engine run away - or stall - or surge, head gaskets, valve train
problems, fuel supply issues, glow plug failures, blocks cracking
around the starter, the list was endless. A lot of mechanics got
wealthy working on those, even under warranty.

For the oil leaks, I remember one car came in with one of those foil
pie pans hanging under the rear main seal area to catch the oil. That
way, the oil would stay in the pan while it was parked in his
driveway, and then empty itself out in normal driving. Brilliant.

In article , Tony Cooper
says...
That doesn't mean that you are paid an hourly rate today. Just take
annual income and divide it by 2,080. That's an assumption of a 40
hour week, but it's good enough for a rough comparison.

In Germany the total working hours per year are around 1600-1700,
because unlike in the US, people do take some holidays. You'd total 2080
working hours in a year only if you never took any holidays.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:20:16 +0200, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
says...
That doesn't mean that you are paid an hourly rate today. Just take
annual income and divide it by 2,080. That's an assumption of a 40
hour week, but it's good enough for a rough comparison.

In Germany the total working hours per year are around 1600-1700,
because unlike in the US, people do take some holidays. You'd total 2080
working hours in a year only if you never took any holidays.

.... or took sick, or ever took time off for training.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 7/22/2016 3:53 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/22/2016 9:03 AM, PAS wrote:
On 7/21/2016 2:05 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the
nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za





A

lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do
some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your
$150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250.
The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.

Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in
'70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to
$0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps.


That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I
bought a diesel.


A Volvo?


Nope. An Olds. It used diesel fuel, but was really a gas engine that
had been converted to diesel.
During the gas crisis, I bypassed the line and went straight to the
diesel pump. One A-hole came up to me and tried to tell me to wait on
the line like everybody else. I offered to put diesel in his car, at
my expense. A State Trooper set him straight.

I recall those GM attempts at marketing a diesel car. One part of the
conversion was inserting sleeves in the cylinders of the gas engines.
Most of those engines did not run well, they were extremely unreliable.

On 7/22/2016 5:48 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:55:15 -0400, PAS wrote:

In 1980 we still had pumps at Shell stations that could not go over a
buck a gallon.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Rusty-Wre...4-27-46-XL.jpg

On 7/23/2016 3:20 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
says...
That doesn't mean that you are paid an hourly rate today. Just take
annual income and divide it by 2,080. That's an assumption of a 40
hour week, but it's good enough for a rough comparison.
In Germany the total working hours per year are around 1600-1700,
because unlike in the US, people do take some holidays. You'd total 2080
working hours in a year only if you never took any holidays.

Is it true that in Germany, if you leave one company to go to work for
another that your accrued holiday time carries with you from the old
company to the new one?

In article , PAS says...

Is it true that in Germany, if you leave one company to go to work for
another that your accrued holiday time carries with you from the old
company to the new one?

No, it's a bit different. It's 30 days per year and if for instance you
have taken 25 days in the first half of the year then change companies
on July 1st, some companies won't grant you 15 days for second half of
the year but only 5.

But if you took no holiday in the first half of the year no company you
join on July 1st will give you 45 days for the second half of the year.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article , Alfred Molon
says...
But if you took no holiday in the first half of the year no company you
join on July 1st will give you 45 days for the second half of the year.

Sorry that should be 30 days for the second half.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On 8/6/2016 4:33 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Alfred Molon
says...
But if you took no holiday in the first half of the year no company you
join on July 1st will give you 45 days for the second half of the year.

Sorry that should be 30 days for the second half.


When I was in practice I represented several privately held German
companies. IIRC they would pay holiday time for part year executive
employees. I cannot comment either way on the non-US clerks and line
workers.


--
PeterN