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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown
On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. -- PeterN |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was your own
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:
On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote: Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in '70-'71-'72. Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to $0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown
On 7/21/2016 12:44 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:41 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote: Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. I use wages-per-hour to determine the relative cost. When I earned $1.00 per hour, I had to work for 15 minutes to earn enough to buy something that cost 25 cents. Admission to a movie, for example. The person who earns $12.00 an hour today has to work somewhere between 45 minutes and an hour to earn enough to buy a ticket to a movie. To determine the work-hours required to buy that lens, you would use the hourly rate of your earnings at the time you would have purchased the $150 lens and the hourly rate you earn today. That doesn't mean that you are paid an hourly rate today. Just take annual income and divide it by 2,080. That's an assumption of a 40 hour week, but it's good enough for a rough comparison. You're method is equally valid. Each has it's positives, and each has its inaccuracies. Both illustrate the point. -- PeterN |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown
On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said: On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote: Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in '70-'71-'72. Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to $0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps. That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I bought a diesel. -- PeterN |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was your own
On 2016-07-21 18:05:26 +0000, PeterN said:
On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said: On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote: Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in '70-'71-'72. Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to $0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps. That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I bought a diesel. At that time I was driving an old 1966 Chevy Impala, with a 292 cu. in. straight six, and a three speed, shift on-the-column manual. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Savageduck wrote:
Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in '70-'71-'72. Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to $0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps. An interesting period in history, for sure. But you touched on two very different and equal aspects of it! The Arab oil embargo in 1973 was one thing. But the 19 cents a gallon gas was its own little niche in history. Prior to 1960-1970 there were independent gas stations everywhere. In many towns there'd be 3 out of 4 corners at major intersections with a gas station. They provided simple mechanical repairs, maybe sold a few other things too, and they pumped gas, cleaned your windows and checked your oil. Gasoline was the major product. But in the 1960's the major oil companies found a way to monopolize retail gas sales. They did this region by region. In 9 out of 10 regions the price from a major brand was the same as the independents. In 1 out of 10 regions they sold gas a 1 cent below cost. It took awhile, but they bankrupted every independent gas station in the region. Then they switched to selling gas, at a price that was higher than the independents had originally been selling at, and moved the below cost pricing to a different area. By the 1973 oil embargo the majors had taken over almost every area of the country. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown
PeterN wrote:
On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote: Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. An elderly eastern European immigrant years ago gave me an excellent lesson about the cost of things. I was newly married, and upon my return to NYC, was taken to a small store in Manhattan to buy bedsheets and pillow cases and towels. My uncle remarked that a sheet was now $10.-, while it was 50 cents in his youth. The elderly lady shop owner then replied: When the sheets were 50 cents, hardly anybody had 50 cents. Now that they are $10.-, everybody has $10.-. End of economics 101. P.S. a Nathan's hot dog that used to cost a nickel, is now $1.85. Mort Linder |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown
On 7/21/2016 3:14 PM, Mort wrote:
PeterN wrote: On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote: Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00 I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison. An elderly eastern European immigrant years ago gave me an excellent lesson about the cost of things. I was newly married, and upon my return to NYC, was taken to a small store in Manhattan to buy bedsheets and pillow cases and towels. My uncle remarked that a sheet was now $10.-, while it was 50 cents in his youth. The elderly lady shop owner then replied: When the sheets were 50 cents, hardly anybody had 50 cents. Now that they are $10.-, everybody has $10.-. End of economics 101. P.S. a Nathan's hot dog that used to cost a nickel, is now $1.85. Mort Linder In a nearby franchise store they are $2.75. Yes I have seen them for less in I prefer that you were right. I will verify this old memory and post a link next time we are there. -- PeterN |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown
RichA wrote:
I remember $0.28/gallon in 1966. One of my first memories. I remember, "fill your tank for one dollar", in 1940/41. Of course, in those days, automobile mechanics earned $12.- a week, and service managers got $25.- a week. Mort Linder |
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Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was your own
On 2016-07-22 01:08:32 +0000, Mort said:
RichA wrote: I remember $0.28/gallon in 1966. One of my first memories. I remember, "fill your tank for one dollar", in 1940/41. Of course, in those days, automobile mechanics earned $12.- a week, and service managers got $25.- a week. ....and then in 1942 all that changed with fuel ration stamps and necessities such as new tires were unavailable to the general public due to rubber being declared a strategic commodity. My father recalls that while at advanced fighter training at, of all places, Marfa, Texas, he and a buddy had a 55 gallon drum rigged in the trunk of a Hudson. They would then drive over to Mexico where there was no rationing and gas was still cheap, to fill up. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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