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Old January 16th 19, 01:24 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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Double exposure in film, I can understand.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?

Nikon, Canon, and Fujifilm (and probably others) have a multi-exposure
feature/mode which allows for two separate exposures, on two frames,
which
are blended into a single file. It is a bit of a novelty and nothing
that
cannot be done in post.

Ok, so they do two frames, then merge or blend them into a single file.
That's postprocessing, not really "double exposure" in my book. It
simply emulates it, but it is not it.


are you channeling eric?


He is being precise. You are not.


nope. he's trying to come up with a distinction when there isn't one.

two clicks. one photo. double exposure.

one uses chemicals and the other uses electronics.
  #22  
Old January 16th 19, 01:54 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/14/2019 12:53 PM, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , "David
says...

FYI (copy/paste)

"In-camera double exposures are wonderfully creative and work very well
for portraits. I love creating these in the summertime to take advantage
of flowers in bloom. However, Autumn is a great time of year for double
exposures as well. Fall leaves, pine trees, and holiday decor work
really well with this style and the opportunities to experiment are endless.

In order to create double exposures in-camera, you need to have a camera
with this feature built-in. I?m using a Canon EOS 5D Mark IV but there
are a number of cameras with the feature available. You can also create
a double exposure look using an editing program like Photoshop but I
find that creating these in camera is a lot more fun and can yield
unexpected results."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/viewbug_com...leExposure.pdf


... what's the big deal? You can mix an endless number
of images in post.


You cannot get a look like this this in post: Note the water was ripping
a lot, and I did not have my ND filter with me. 10 shot multiple
exposure, with about a second between each exposure. Took five such
shots, moved about twenty yards and took five more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gczycggv5upw8e8/Twin%20Suns.jpg?dl=0

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Old January 16th 19, 01:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/14/2019 2:07 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/01/2019 17.15, David B. wrote:
FYIÂ*Â* (copy/paste)

"In-camera double exposures are wonderfully creative and work very well
for portraits. I love creating these in the summertime to take advantage
of flowers in bloom. However, Autumn is a great time of year for double
exposures as well. Fall leaves, pine trees, and holiday decor work
really well with this style and the opportunities to experiment are
endless.

In order to create double exposures in-camera, you need to have a camera
with this feature built-in. I’m using a Canon EOS 5D Mark IV but there
are a number of cameras with the feature available. You can also create
a double exposure look using an editing program like Photoshop but I
find that creating these in camera is a lot more fun and can yield
unexpected results."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/viewbug_com...leExposure.pdf


Double exposure in film, I can understand.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?


My Nikons have that capability.

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Old January 16th 19, 01:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/14/2019 2:50 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Double exposure in film, I can understand.


yep. there are far fewer options with film.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.


it's different in that it doesn't require a computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?


that's not required, nor would it work particularly well.


Wrong.

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Old January 16th 19, 01:58 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
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Double exposure in film, I can understand.


yep. there are far fewer options with film.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.


it's different in that it doesn't require a computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?


that's not required, nor would it work particularly well.


Wrong.


not wrong.
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Old January 16th 19, 02:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/14/2019 2:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 14, 2019, Carlos E.R. wrote
(in article ):

On 13/01/2019 17.15, David B. wrote:
FYI (copy/paste)

"In-camera double exposures are wonderfully creative and work very well
for portraits. I love creating these in the summertime to take advantage
of flowers in bloom. However, Autumn is a great time of year for double
exposures as well. Fall leaves, pine trees, and holiday decor work
really well with this style and the opportunities to experiment are
endless.

In order to create double exposures in-camera, you need to have a camera
with this feature built-in. I’m using a Canon EOS 5D Mark IV but there
are a number of cameras with the feature available. You can also create
a double exposure look using an editing program like Photoshop but I
find that creating these in camera is a lot more fun and can yield
unexpected results."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/viewbug_com...leExposure.pdf


Double exposure in film, I can understand.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?


Nikon, Canon, and Fujifilm (and probably others) have a multi-exposure
feature/mode which allows for two separate exposures, on two frames, which
are blended into a single file. It is a bit of a novelty and nothing that
cannot be done in post.


Not true. Multiple exposure, one image, walking around the tree. The
effects and color were added in post.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2c7cul49u4jgo9b/tree1024.jpg?dl=0

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Old January 16th 19, 02:02 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Tips for Mastering In-Camera,Double Exposure Portraits

On 1/14/2019 2:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 14, 2019, Carlos E.R. wrote
(in article ):

On 13/01/2019 17.15, David B. wrote:
FYI (copy/paste)

"In-camera double exposures are wonderfully creative and work very well
for portraits. I love creating these in the summertime to take advantage
of flowers in bloom. However, Autumn is a great time of year for double
exposures as well. Fall leaves, pine trees, and holiday decor work
really well with this style and the opportunities to experiment are
endless.

In order to create double exposures in-camera, you need to have a camera
with this feature built-in. I’m using a Canon EOS 5D Mark IV but there
are a number of cameras with the feature available. You can also create
a double exposure look using an editing program like Photoshop but I
find that creating these in camera is a lot more fun and can yield
unexpected results."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/viewbug_com...leExposure.pdf


Double exposure in film, I can understand.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?


Nikon, Canon, and Fujifilm (and probably others) have a multi-exposure
feature/mode which allows for two separate exposures, on two frames, which
are blended into a single file. It is a bit of a novelty and nothing that
cannot be done in post.


I forgot to say, you will not like it, but that's not the point.


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Old January 16th 19, 02:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/15/2019 6:14 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 15, 2019, Whisky-dave wrote
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On Monday, 14 January 2019 22:10:08 UTC, nospam wrote:
In , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Double exposure in film, I can understand.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?

Nikon, Canon, and Fujifilm (and probably others) have a multi-exposure
feature/mode which allows for two separate exposures, on two frames, which
are blended into a single file. It is a bit of a novelty and nothing that
cannot be done in post.

Ok, so they do two frames, then merge or blend them into a single file.
That's postprocessing, not really "double exposure" in my book. It
simply emulates it, but it is not it.

are you channeling eric?

it's double exposure, without any emulation whatsoever.


It's not a double exposure it's two seperate exposures on two seperate frames.
Which is what happenes whenever you take two photos. Then they are merged
together something that doesn't happen when taking single exposures.

Is HDR a multi-exposure technigue I'd say yes but it isn't the same as what
was done in film multi-exposures.


While HDR shot in a digital camera is a digital multi-exposure technique, I
would consider it an exposure bracketing rather than an analog double
exposure.

Then you have Focus Stacking/Bracketing which is another digital
multi-exposure technique which would be a royal pain to execute with film.

So I'd say it was emulation of double exposure, or it could be a simulation
if exactly the same method was used as would be used in film.


also, a double exposure of the same scene will have less noise,


The vast majority of double exposures wouldn't be of exactly the same scene
otherwise they'd be little point in doing it, unless for HDR of course which
is when you do take multiple shots of the same scene.


Once you have the CPU of the digital camera available a whole World of
possibilities opens up none of which other, than the classic double-exposure,
are easily available to film. For example with my Fujifilm cameras with a
single press of the shutter release, with WB/bracketing, ISO/bracketing or
Film Simulation/bracketing I can obtain three individual exposures of the
exact same scene with either different WB, ISO, or Film Sim all generated via
the in-camera CPU. You just cannot do that with film.

All of those digital multi-exposure techniques can actually be quite useful,
whereas, I consider the digital ‘double-exposure’ a novelty as it can be
done far better, and more deliberately in post processing, even on different
days, months, or even years. Not so with film, unless by some freak accident.


Unless you intentionally set out to do a multiple in camera exposure.
And plan it properly.



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Old January 16th 19, 02:09 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/15/2019 1:22 PM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


Ok, so they do two frames, then merge or blend them into a single file.
That's postprocessing, not really "double exposure" in my book. It
simply emulates it, but it is not it.

are you channeling eric?

it's double exposure, without any emulation whatsoever.


It's not a double exposure it's two seperate exposures on two seperate frames.
Which is what happenes whenever you take two photos. Then they are merged
together something that doesn't happen when taking single exposures.


double exposure is always two separate exposures on two separate
frames. that's why it's called double.

bonus points: how many exposures in a triple exposure?

Is HDR a multi-exposure technigue I'd say yes but it isn't the same as what
was done in film multi-exposures.


the only difference is they're of the same subject rather than
different ones, and that there's usually more than two images for hdr,
although two certainly works.

So I'd say it was emulation of double exposure, or it could be a simulation
if exactly the same method was used as would be used in film.


it's neither emulation nor simulation. it really is double exposure (or
triple or however many there are).

also, a double exposure of the same scene will have less noise,


The vast majority of double exposures wouldn't be of exactly the same scene
otherwise they'd be little point in doing it, unless for HDR of course which
is when you do take multiple shots of the same scene.


it doesn't matter what the majority does.

multiple shots of the same scene will reduce noise. once again, math.

and
it's a lot easier to do it in camera than later.


Only with digital not with film, as you run the risk of the film moving.


push the little button and the transport is disengaged.

sheet film users don't need to do anything.

that's also part of
how google night sight works.


What part ?


the multiple exposure part.


OMG We agree.

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Old January 16th 19, 02:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 1/15/2019 7:58 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Double exposure in film, I can understand.

yep. there are far fewer options with film.

But a digital camera would just add the pixel values from two files,
thus being no different from postprocessing on the computer.

it's different in that it doesn't require a computer.

To be valid, the sensor would have to be exposed, and then, without
reading it, exposing it again. Are they really doing it?

that's not required, nor would it work particularly well.


Wrong.


not wrong.


See my posted example. It works very well, if you now what you are doing.

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