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Old July 11th 04, 04:47 PM
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"J?rg Preddimann" wrote in message
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canon have started rolling out black bodied 300d
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0404/04...s300dblack.asp
only in japan at the moment
the 300d in silver was a marketing disaster given the d70
people paying £600 + do not want a digital slr that looks like a £4.99
instamatitic, canon should switch to all black bodies NOW and see sales
go through the roof, come on canon get your act together


More importantly than fixing the appearance of the camera's exterior,
Canon should strongly consider fixing the main problem INSIDE the
300D/Rebel--the mass produced (outsourced at sweat shops throughout
the poorest sections of Asia) inferior version of the already horrible
grayscale CMOS found in the 10D. Canon should consider switching to
Foveon sensors if they want to be around in 5 years.


George,

This is a stupid post even by your standards.

Since when have ANY CMOS devices ever been produced in "sweat shops" ?



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Old July 11th 04, 05:22 PM
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In article , adm
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More importantly than fixing the appearance of the camera's exterior,
Canon should strongly consider fixing the main problem INSIDE the
300D/Rebel--the mass produced (outsourced at sweat shops throughout
the poorest sections of Asia) inferior version of the already horrible
grayscale CMOS found in the 10D. Canon should consider switching to
Foveon sensors if they want to be around in 5 years.


George,

This is a stupid post even by your standards.

Since when have ANY CMOS devices ever been produced in "sweat shops" ?


If Foveon is so great, how come nobody is buying them. Hint: they suck!
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Old July 12th 04, 10:46 AM
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The very best the SD10 can do concerning signal to noise ratio is 42 dB at
ISO 100 compared to 50dB at ISO 200 for the Canon EOS 1D Mark II (the very
best).



These are very interesting figures. Did they also test the Nikon D70
and Olympus E-1? What were the signal to noise ratios for those
cameras at ISO 100 and 200?



I'll show you what the SD10 produces at night exposure (ISO 100, 30sec)
and what the D70 produces (ISO 200 =lowest , 30 sec)

SD10 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sigm...t/IMG10084.jpg


D70 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Niko...t/DSC_0003.jpg

any more comments needed?

Bodo
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Old July 12th 04, 10:46 AM
Bodo Malo
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The very best the SD10 can do concerning signal to noise ratio is 42 dB at
ISO 100 compared to 50dB at ISO 200 for the Canon EOS 1D Mark II (the very
best).



These are very interesting figures. Did they also test the Nikon D70
and Olympus E-1? What were the signal to noise ratios for those
cameras at ISO 100 and 200?



I'll show you what the SD10 produces at night exposure (ISO 100, 30sec)
and what the D70 produces (ISO 200 =lowest , 30 sec)

SD10 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sigm...t/IMG10084.jpg


D70 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Niko...t/DSC_0003.jpg

any more comments needed?

Bodo
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Old July 12th 04, 12:41 PM
Bodo Malo
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These are very interesting figures. Did they also test the Nikon D70
and Olympus E-1? What were the signal to noise ratios for those
cameras at ISO 100 and 200?


I'll show you what the SD10 produces at night exposure (ISO 100, 30sec)
and what the D70 produces (ISO 200 =lowest , 30 sec)
SD10 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sigm...t/IMG10084.jpg
D70 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Niko...t/DSC_0003.jpg
any more comments needed?



Well, I did ask about the Olympus E-1!



Sorry, I thought you asked about both cameras - D70 and E1
The E1 has also a good picture quality, but much more noise at high iso levels (800, 1600)

Also I think the camera is too expensive and doesn't offer a lot of lenses.


But thanks for posting those links. The D70 is a remarkable
performer. I don't know why anyone would want to buy the D100 when
the D70 is cheaper and so much better in terms of image quality.


Maybe because of the metal body. There are no other reasons to buy the D100.
Anyway the D100 will be replaced this fall, there is no reason to buy it anymore.








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Old July 12th 04, 12:59 PM
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"Bodo Malo" wrote:

Sorry, I thought you asked about both cameras - D70 and E1


Yes, I did. But I own the E-1.

The E1 has also a good picture quality, but much more noise at high iso levels (800, 1600)
Also I think the camera is too expensive and doesn't offer a lot of lenses.


I use an E-1 and three lenses for a variety of paid work, and find it
offers outstanding picture quality for a 5MP camera. As it is a very
robust and (sp far completely) reliable pro quality camera body, I
don't think it is expensive compared to its pro quality competition.

However, if you are prepared to accept a consumer-grade standard of
build and feature set, I agree that there are cheaper alternatives.

As for lenses, the Zuiko range for the E-1 is superb. I can also use
most OM Zuiko lenses with an adapter.

I was interested to know whether the Chasseur d'Images report included
the Olympus E-1.


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Old July 12th 04, 07:11 PM
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Bodo Malo wrote:

The very best the SD10 can do concerning signal to noise ratio is 42 dB at
ISO 100 compared to 50dB at ISO 200 for the Canon EOS 1D Mark II (the very
best).



These are very interesting figures. Did they also test the Nikon D70
and Olympus E-1? What were the signal to noise ratios for those
cameras at ISO 100 and 200?


I'll show you what the SD10 produces at night exposure (ISO 100, 30sec)
and what the D70 produces (ISO 200 =lowest , 30 sec)

SD10 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sigm...t/IMG10084.jpg

D70 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Niko...t/DSC_0003.jpg

any more comments needed?


but look at how well the sd10 renders
the rainbow color pattern in the shadows.

the d70 completely missed all the rainbow!!



Bodo

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Old July 12th 04, 08:16 PM
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Bodo Malo wrote:


I'll show you what the SD10 produces at night exposure (ISO 100, 30sec)
and what the D70 produces (ISO 200 =lowest , 30 sec)


For an equivalent exposure value beqteen the two, the D70 should
have been 15 seconds, not 30. Is that how you did it?

In any case, the SD10 is certainly crap.



SD10 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sigm...t/IMG10084.jpg


D70 picture
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Niko...t/DSC_0003.jpg



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Old July 13th 04, 03:56 AM
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But thanks for posting those links. The D70 is a remarkable
performer. I don't know why anyone would want to buy the D100 when
the D70 is cheaper and so much better in terms of image quality.

The D100 is probably going to be replaced at Photokina, the D70 is a great
camera. But I can see a D200(?) and a D2X being released at Photokina 2004
this Fall.

http://www.photokina.de




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Old July 13th 04, 05:44 AM
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"TP" wrote in message
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But thanks for posting those links. The D70 is a remarkable
performer. I don't know why anyone would want to buy the D100 when
the D70 is cheaper and so much better in terms of image quality.

The D100 is probably going to be replaced at Photokina, the D70 is a great
camera. But I can see a D200(?) and a D2X being released at Photokina 2004
this Fall.

http://www.photokina.de




Lord knows, Nikon has to do something to keep up with the Canon 10D (which
also may be replaced) and 1D mkII. The D70 certainly took some wind out of
the sails of the RebelD, at least technologically speaking...

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