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Why Are the Chinese Brand Phones (Huawei, Honor, Oppo, Xiaomi) Crushing the Competition in Camera Quality
On Mon, 18 May 2020 18:26:37 -0700, Alan Baker
wrote: On 2020-05-17 8:15 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote: On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:45:38 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: For whatever reason it happens, DXOMark tests iPhones after a much longer interval from their release than other phones. Alan, How many iPhones has Apple ever made? I haven't counted them. o And how many are on the tested list at this very moment? Again, I haven't counted. HINT: Almost all of them. You seem to be making the famous claim that the next phone will be the killer even though _all_ the prior phones aren't even on the top ten. Nope. I'm not making that claim at all. I'm claiming that in a fast-moving and competitive marketplace, it makes a large difference to where a product will come out in testing if you test it significantly later than than its competition. Let's look at the top 10: Phone Score Release Test Posted Delay Country Huawei P40 Pro 128 2020-04-07 2020-03-31 -7 China Honor 30 Pro+ 125 2020-04-21 2020-04-15 -6 China (Again: test posted BEFORE the phones release. -6 Oppo Find X2 Pro 124 2020-03-06 2020-03-06 0 China Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro 124 2020-02-18 2020-02-13 -5 China Huawei Mate 30 Pro 5G 123 2019-10-23 2019-12-17 +47 China Honor V30 Pro 122 2020-02-?? 2020-01-17 -?? China Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 122 2020-03-06 2020-04-22 +47 S.Korea Huawei Mate 30 Pro 121 2019-09-26 2019-09-26 0 China Xiaomi Mi CC9 Pro Premium Edition 121 2019-11-11 2019-11-05 -6 China Samsung Galaxy S20+ 118 2020-03-06 2020-05-11 66 S.Korea Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max 117 2019-09-20 2019-11-07 48 USA In only ONE case in there, did a Chinese company's phone have a significant delay between release and testing. It's classic for you apologists to simply fabricate your excuses for Apple. What your response proves is you're _desperate_ to fabricate an excuse for why _every_ iPhone that _was_ already tested (and that's literally almost every iPhone ever made!), isn't even on the top ten. When Apple iPhone are regularly tested after a long delay, it is natural that other products that get test without delay (and even BEFORE their release) are going to arrive with better specifications. What's interesting is how _desperate_ you apologists are to claim that Apple MARKETING brochures are the gospel and that every tester on the planet is being _bribed_ by everyone but Apple (according to nospam)... Why else are iPhones almost never even in the top list of camera QOR? o It must be a conspiracy because MARKETING brochures are so very pretty. They ARE in the top list, Liar. Wasn't it you who said there are 24,000 models of Android phone? Don't they all have cameras? Or is that claim now inconvenient? How could an Apple MARKETING brochure possibly not be right! o nospam: It must be that Apple didn't _bribe_ the reliable testers o Baker: It must be that the reliable testers _forgot_ Apple existed From the FACTS, it certainly looks like Chinese manufacturers are getting better treatment. Is it that all Chinese phones are getting tested early or is that iPhones are getting tested late? No matter what the answer is, why is there that difference? It is unlikely to be bribery unless all Chinese manufacturers bribe DxO Mark. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Why Are the Chinese Brand Phones (Huawei, Honor, Oppo, Xiaomi) Crushing the Competition in Camera Quality
On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 21:56:51 +1200, Eric Stevens wrote:
Is it that all Chinese phones are getting tested early or is that iPhones are getting tested late? No matter what the answer is, why is there that difference? It is unlikely to be bribery unless all Chinese manufacturers bribe DxO Mark. Hi Eric Stevens, Yours is a good question, which we can let whomever you asked, answer. Rest assured, the apologists' intent is not to be purposefully helpful. o Their goal is to make excuses for Apple not being what Apple claims. What I can advise you on is there are 3 types of Apple apologists (IMHO): o Type I, canonical member === nospam o Type II, canonical member === savageduck o Type III, canonical member === alan baker I've studied the Apple apologists for years, and, in fact, I became interested in their strange behavior ever since they sent me on fruitless wild-goose chases, where the apologists sadistically claimed Apple functionality that simply didn't exist. They all fabricate excuses for Apple's behavior in different ways: o Type I apologists never go against Apple MARKETING mantra (never!) o Type II apologists sometimes go against Apple MARKETING (rarely so) o Type III apologists are astoundingly biased toward Apple MARKETING What's interesting is an assessment of their excuses for Apple behavior: o Type I apologists are rather clever in how they contort their claims o Type II apologists are unduly swayed by MARKETING (more so than most) o Type III apologists are literally immune to any facts they don't like Rest assured, the apologists' intent is not to be purposefully helpful. o Mainly they make excuses for Apple not being what Apple claims it is. As for what these three types of apologists "believe", that's interesting: o Type I apologists rarely believe what they themselves claim, in that you can tell by the clever "exception" words they use, that they're just covering for Apple Marketing (e.g., when Apple fails independent tests). o Type II apologists truly believe what they claim, but they're not malicious, in that you can tell they're simply ignorant of basic facts o Type III apologists actually _believe_ what they claim (which is truly petrifying, in that such people, apparently, actually exist in the flesh!) But all apologists will fabricate similar excuses such as: o Apple scores poorly in independent tests because Apple didn't bribe them (note this extends to batteries, and to drop tests, not just cameras!) o Apple scores poorly because the test procedures are unfavorable to Apple) (this is, in general, the apologists' favorite excuse, by far) o Apple scores poorly because the reviews tested Apple products too late) (this is the favorite excuse of Alan Baker is the "hail mary" play) etc. NOTE: By definition, if the independent test doesn't show Apple to be as good as the MARKETING claims, then, by definition, one or more of the excuses above applies, which is the default position of apologists all. In summary, what you see with the Type III apologists (e.g., Alan Baker, Jolly Roger, Lewis, BK, Joerg Lorenz, roctb, Lloyd, Davoud, et al.) is an exaggerated version of the excuses from the Type II apologists (e.g., Savageduck, Chris, Steve Scharf, Alan Browne, Andreas Rutishauser Wade Garrett, et al.). And what you see, always, from the Type I apologists (e.g., nospam), is that he never defies Apple MARKETING and always makes excuses for the behavior of Apple in all ways he can possibly conjure up. -- Rest assured, the apologists' intent is not to be purposefully helpful. o Mainly they make excuses for Apple not being what Apple claims it is. |
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