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Tony Cooper:
The following are observations and comments on the new Lightroom CC and not at all criticisms. Each of us who use Lightroom have our own workflow that we've become used to and a requirement to change that workflow is usually not viewed well. And, each of us has different needs. I have been in a secret underground bunker for some time as a beta tester for Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC. I thought of myself as a representative of the advanced-amateur cohort. I bought Lightroom when it first appeared and ran it alongside Aperture. I saw the handwriting on the wall long before Apple discontinued Aperture and transitioned to Lightroom for all of my asset management and pre-processing well before Apple discontinued Aperture. Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but I haven't settled on a personal workflow. Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now. I have no particular need for, or interest in, access to LR from more than one work station. But, I downloaded LR CC and gave it a run. Why not give it a run! The new Lightroom CC is included in your subscription. I have the need to run Lightroom and Photoshop from multiple machines. I have a license for Adobe CC (all apps) on two iMacs and a license for Adobe Photography Plan (Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop) on two MacBook Pros. For those who have a problem with the subscription scheme, tough luck. Go elsewhere. Top-tier editing with Photoshop and now two versions of Lightroom (three counting the mobile app) is an absolute bargain at $9.99 per month, less for students and some others. Some of the differences between LR CC and LR Classic baffle me. I don't understand why Adobe created these differences. The important thing for people to understand is that Lightroom Classic CC is the *same* Lightroom that they have known and loved, but with a new and possibly confusing name and with improved performance and added features. Nothing changes in file handling, including the ability to send selected photos to the cloud for viewing and editing on your iPad. Adobe took a lot of guff from beta testers in the Prerelease Forum on product naming. In a nutshell, they gave the old app a new name‹Lightroom CC renamed to Lightroom Classic CC‹and they gave the new app the old name‹Lightroom CC. That has a lot of folks baffled and up in arms from the start. Beta testers were in communication with techies, not marketing wonks, and the techies insisted that the names were locked in and not subject to discussion. So be it. I'd have named the new app "Lightroom Mobile CC." The official forums are at https://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom. At that URL the Lightroom forum splits: "All-new Lightroom CC" and "Lightroom Classic CC." Adobe forums are worth joining, IMO. One thing you will find is knee-jerk reaction. People were declaring within *an* *hour* of release of the two new apps that Adobe would be out of business soon, Adobe had abandoned them, they were abandoning Adobe, you-name-it. It could be the naming issue, but some seemed not to realize that Lightroom Classic CC is just a new version of Lightroom and the new app, Lightroom CC, can be ignored by those who don't want their photos in the cloud for one reason for another, or, as I call them, "those who don't get that the mobility offered by the cloud is the wave of the future." All Lightroom CC photos are in the cloud; that's not optional. There is an option to keep them on a local drive as well. At the moment I'm feeding Lightroom CC (and thus, the cloud) selected photos from Lightroom Classic CC, so there is no issue for me; Lightroom Classic CC leaves your photos where you put them; cloud sync in Classic CC is optional, as it has been for some time. Remove the photos from the cloud, stop using Lightroom CC, and the photos remain in place in Lightroom Classic CC. There is no substitute for Photoshop, Linux GIMP fans notwithstanding (if they needed pro-level photo management and editing they wouldn't be on Linux!). There are a number of apps similar to Lightroom, but those of us who do not own $50k PhaseOne cameras are more likely to stick with the well oiled Lightroom-Photoshop machine than to switch to Capture One Pro, e.g., a subscription to which costs up to twice as much per month as the Adobe Photography plan. (Though I have been tempted to get a three-month plan for Capture One Pro @ $30 per month, just to see what the fuss is about.) I don't do knee-jerk. I'm not concerned that I haven't yet decided on a workflow for the two apps; there is no deadline, and with winter coming I'll have plenty of time on my hands. One thing I've had fun with in Lightroom CC is its ability to quickly create web albums, either flat or as web pages with a bit of formatting. Here's one such page from my MacBook Pro license https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/72305aa6d3e441f89b16bdaae95457d4 and another from my iMac library https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/8f654d9fef354c428b68370c00e580c7. Quick and dirty, great for showing clients, family and friends. Lightroom CC on an iPad Pro is neat-o. Seems to have virtually all of the editing features of Lightroom CC on the desktop. As iPads become more powerful, Lr for iOS will be awesome. Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library. Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's $70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for 2TB, $110 for 10TB. No, the Lightroom apps cannot sync to cloud services other than Adobe's. Users are free to back-up manually to any service they want, however. My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow. Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are not ready for the cloud! When shooting a series of photographs taken on the same outing, I always open the first one, set certain things (Clarity, Vibrance, Crop Size, and Lens Correction) and then Synch all the shots in that import. I can over-ride a synched setting, but I seldom do so. In LR CC, there is no Synch command*. The user can copy the settings from that first image and paste it to the rest in the series to accomplish the same thing, but I don't understand why Adobe changed a workflow step that works to a different workflow step. My workflow includes naming each shot in a date format: 2017-10-23-01. LR Classic has a drop-down that displays the thumbnails by File Name. LR CC does not have that option. There are options (eg: Capture Date, Modified Date), but that does not allow putting the images in sequence desired. LR Classic allows me to display thumbnails in Grid with certain information. Mine shows file name above each thumbnail. I have to go to the small "i" to show the file name for each photo. The info is there, but the user has to look over to the panel and the screen is reduced by the panel. LR CC removes certain settings from the Basic panel and puts them in a different panel. Clarity is in Effects, for example. No problem really, but the person who using LR CC has to figure where things are now and adjust. There doesn't seem to be a good reason for that type of change. If the function is there in both versions, then it would seem sensible to have the interface as close as possible to the same on both rather than make the users figure out where what is. For the person who has frequent need to access their images away from their home work station, LR CC will be a very valuable addition to Adobe's stable. I understand this. I do wonder if that person will upload all of their files to LR CC or just the more current files. That 20 Gb free (CC Photography subscribers, not full CC users) is not going to accommodate a lot of users for all of their images. That means that they will not being going over to LR CC entirely, but will be using both versions. And, adjusting each time. As their current images start to exceed the 20 Gb size, they'll have to start moving images back to their home storage. Adobe may fine tune LR CC as they get user input, but the above are some conditions that I feel deserve comment. Not criticism, but comment. *Well, there is "Synch", but it synchs the image with the cloud storage file. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On Oct 23, 2017, Davoud wrote
(in article ): Tony Cooper: The following are observations and comments on the new Lightroom CC and not at all criticisms. Each of us who use Lightroom have our own workflow that we've become used to and a requirement to change that workflow is usually not viewed well. And, each of us has different needs. I have been in a secret underground bunker for some time as a beta tester for Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC. I thought of myself as a representative of the advanced-amateur cohort. I bought Lightroom when it first appeared and ran it alongside Aperture. I saw the handwriting on the wall long before Apple discontinued Aperture and transitioned to Lightroom for all of my asset management and pre-processing well before Apple discontinued Aperture. I too have been a Lightroom user since day one, and I am a subscriber to the Adobe Photography Plan. Due to your role as a beta tester, I am hoping you can provide some insight as to a few of the new Lightroom CC quirks. I will ask a question or two as I work through your reply to Tony. Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but I haven't settled on a personal workflow. That is my dilemma, and after looking at this interview, I suspect that Adobe never intended for Lightroom Classic CC, and Lightroom CC to work together, Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now. I believe that there are going to be frequent updates to refine the mobile & Lightroom CC workspace. I also understand that for the most part it will run as a separate entity to the Photography Plan LR Classic CC/ Photoshop CC 2018 workspace. I have no particular need for, or interest in, access to LR from more than one work station. But, I downloaded LR CC and gave it a run. Why not give it a run! The new Lightroom CC is included in your subscription. I have the need to run Lightroom and Photoshop from multiple machines. I have a license for Adobe CC (all apps) on two iMacs and a license for Adobe Photography Plan (Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop) on two MacBook Pros. I am trying to be fair, and intend to give it a good workout, but I have my original LR C CC/PS CC + Mobile apps workflow as a very imbedded, and for me, reflexive process. Due to that there is much I am not comfortable with when working with new Lightroom CC, both as a desktop, and on my iPad Pro. For those who have a problem with the subscription scheme, tough luck. Go elsewhere. Top-tier editing with Photoshop and now two versions of Lightroom (three counting the mobile app) is an absolute bargain at $9.99 per month, less for students and some others. Some of the differences between LR CC and LR Classic baffle me. I don't understand why Adobe created these differences. The important thing for people to understand is that Lightroom Classic CC is the *same* Lightroom that they have known and loved, but with a new and possibly confusing name and with improved performance and added features. Nothing changes in file handling, including the ability to send selected photos to the cloud for viewing and editing on your iPad. That much I get. Adobe took a lot of guff from beta testers in the Prerelease Forum on product naming. In a nutshell, they gave the old app a new name‹Lightroom CC renamed to Lightroom Classic CC‹and they gave the new app the old name‹Lightroom CC. That has a lot of folks baffled and up in arms from the start. Beta testers were in communication with techies, not marketing wonks, and the techies insisted that the names were locked in and not subject to discussion. So be it. I'd have named the new app "Lightroom Mobile CC." The official forums are at https://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom. At that URL the Lightroom forum splits: "All-new Lightroom CC" and "Lightroom Classic CC." Adobe forums are worth joining, IMO. One thing you will find is knee-jerk reaction. People were declaring within *an* *hour* of release of the two new apps that Adobe would be out of business soon, Adobe had abandoned them, they were abandoning Adobe, you-name-it. It could be the naming issue, but some seemed not to realize that Lightroom Classic CC is just a new version of Lightroom and the new app, Lightroom CC, can be ignored by those who don't want their photos in the cloud for one reason for another, or, as I call them, "those who don't get that the mobility offered by the cloud is the wave of the future." All Lightroom CC photos are in the cloud; that's not optional. There is an option to keep them on a local drive as well. At the moment I'm feeding Lightroom CC (and thus, the cloud) selected photos from Lightroom Classic CC, so there is no issue for me; Lightroom Classic CC leaves your photos where you put them; cloud sync in Classic CC is optional, as it has been for some time. Remove the photos from the cloud, stop using Lightroom CC, and the photos remain in place in Lightroom Classic CC. There is no substitute for Photoshop, Linux GIMP fans notwithstanding (if they needed pro-level photo management and editing they wouldn't be on Linux!). There are a number of apps similar to Lightroom, but those of us who do not own $50k PhaseOne cameras are more likely to stick with the well oiled Lightroom-Photoshop machine than to switch to Capture One Pro, e.g., a subscription to which costs up to twice as much per month as the Adobe Photography plan. (Though I have been tempted to get a three-month plan for Capture One Pro @ $30 per month, just to see what the fuss is about.) I don't do knee-jerk. I'm not concerned that I haven't yet decided on a workflow for the two apps; there is no deadline, and with winter coming I'll have plenty of time on my hands. One thing I've had fun with in Lightroom CC is its ability to quickly create web albums, either flat or as web pages with a bit of formatting. Here's one such page from my MacBook Pro license https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/72305aa6d3e441f89b16bdaae95457d4 and another from my iMac library https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/8f654d9fef354c428b68370c00e580c7. Quick and dirty, great for showing clients, family and friends. Lightroom CC on an iPad Pro is neat-o. Seems to have virtually all of the editing features of Lightroom CC on the desktop. As iPads become more powerful, Lr for iOS will be awesome. Lightroom CC on my 10.5” 512GB iPad Pro is somewhat different to the older Lightroom Mobile, but I have figured out many of the editing features including getting the selective editing to work to my expectations. I have several issues with regard to the LR CC storage which you might be able to resolve for me. As a subscriber, and user of the Classic Adobe CC Cloud storage I am familiar with having access to the Web interface, and the desktop Creative Cloud Files folder. Now that I am testing Lightroom CC, and have imported several RAW image files I can find no way to manage those files in the way that was possible before. No web access, and no Lightroom CC files folder. The test RAW files are not shown in my CC File storage. Are there equivalent Lightroom CC Cloud file folders, or web access to manage that storage. Not all of the Lightroom CC users are going to have a laptop to use when travelling, or even access to a desktop, just mobile devices. My old Mac laptops, a 17” G4, and a 17” MBP are beyond supporting current Adobe products,I don’t have plans to buy a new laptop, a new desktop Mac, yes, new lenses, yes, but not a new MBP. So my travel computing are my iPhone and my iPad Pro. Unfortunately neither one of those will permit direct import of RAW files when using the Apple Camera Kit, or WiFi from my cameras. I can import JPEGs to the camera roll, and those are still auto imported to LR CC (mobile) and synced with my desktop, now LR Classic CC (would that be LR-C CC?) all without issue. I can only import RAW files into new desktop/laptop LR CC with corresponding Smart Previews showing in my iPad for editing. So when on a road trip I have no way to move RAW files to the Lightroom CC cloud storage, and I am left with doing things the way I always have. That throws a wrench into the concept of storing all originals in the Lightroom CC Cloud. I can see that I am probably going to have to use my ColorSpace UDMA for RAW backup on-the-road, and the old mobile system for on-the-road editing and sharing. That leaves RAW import into LR-C CC as something to do when I get home. Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library. Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's $70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for 2TB, $110 for 10TB. Does that 2TB for $30 include the cost of the basic Photography Plan? I am more inclined to rent additional original plan storage. No, the Lightroom apps cannot sync to cloud services other than Adobe's. Users are free to back-up manually to any service they want, however. My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow. Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are not ready for the cloud! That is exactly what I am doing, and I intend to continue testing it. However, for now I just cannot see myself clear to fully adopt, or even integrate Lightroom CC into my workflow. ....but I am not going to throw it out just yet. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Oct 23, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com): On Oct 23, 2017, Davoud wrote (in article ): Tony Cooper: The following are observations and comments on the new Lightroom CC and not at all criticisms. Each of us who use Lightroom have our own workflow that we've become used to and a requirement to change that workflow is usually not viewed well. And, each of us has different needs. I have been in a secret underground bunker for some time as a beta tester for Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC. I thought of myself as a representative of the advanced-amateur cohort. I bought Lightroom when it first appeared and ran it alongside Aperture. I saw the handwriting on the wall long before Apple discontinued Aperture and transitioned to Lightroom for all of my asset management and pre-processing well before Apple discontinued Aperture. I too have been a Lightroom user since day one, and I am a subscriber to the Adobe Photography Plan. Due to your role as a beta tester, I am hoping you can provide some insight as to a few of the new Lightroom CC quirks. I will ask a question or two as I work through your reply to Tony. Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but I haven't settled on a personal workflow. That is my dilemma, and after looking at this interview, I suspect that Adobe never intended for Lightroom Classic CC, and Lightroom CC to work together. I forgot to add this YT URL: https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now. I believe that there are going to be frequent updates to refine the mobile & Lightroom CC workspace. I also understand that for the most part it will run as a separate entity to the Photography Plan LR Classic CC/ Photoshop CC 2018 workspace. I have no particular need for, or interest in, access to LR from more than one work station. But, I downloaded LR CC and gave it a run. Why not give it a run! The new Lightroom CC is included in your subscription. I have the need to run Lightroom and Photoshop from multiple machines. I have a license for Adobe CC (all apps) on two iMacs and a license for Adobe Photography Plan (Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop) on two MacBook Pros. I am trying to be fair, and intend to give it a good workout, but I have my original LR C CC/PS CC + Mobile apps workflow as a very imbedded, and for me, reflexive process. Due to that there is much I am not comfortable with when working with new Lightroom CC, both as a desktop, and on my iPad Pro. For those who have a problem with the subscription scheme, tough luck. Go elsewhere. Top-tier editing with Photoshop and now two versions of Lightroom (three counting the mobile app) is an absolute bargain at $9.99 per month, less for students and some others. Some of the differences between LR CC and LR Classic baffle me. I don't understand why Adobe created these differences. The important thing for people to understand is that Lightroom Classic CC is the *same* Lightroom that they have known and loved, but with a new and possibly confusing name and with improved performance and added features. Nothing changes in file handling, including the ability to send selected photos to the cloud for viewing and editing on your iPad. That much I get. Adobe took a lot of guff from beta testers in the Prerelease Forum on product naming. In a nutshell, they gave the old app a new name‹Lightroom CC renamed to Lightroom Classic CC‹and they gave the new app the old name‹Lightroom CC. That has a lot of folks baffled and up in arms from the start. Beta testers were in communication with techies, not marketing wonks, and the techies insisted that the names were locked in and not subject to discussion. So be it. I'd have named the new app "Lightroom Mobile CC." The official forums are at https://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom. At that URL the Lightroom forum splits: "All-new Lightroom CC" and "Lightroom Classic CC." Adobe forums are worth joining, IMO. One thing you will find is knee-jerk reaction. People were declaring within *an* *hour* of release of the two new apps that Adobe would be out of business soon, Adobe had abandoned them, they were abandoning Adobe, you-name-it. It could be the naming issue, but some seemed not to realize that Lightroom Classic CC is just a new version of Lightroom and the new app, Lightroom CC, can be ignored by those who don't want their photos in the cloud for one reason for another, or, as I call them, "those who don't get that the mobility offered by the cloud is the wave of the future." All Lightroom CC photos are in the cloud; that's not optional. There is an option to keep them on a local drive as well. At the moment I'm feeding Lightroom CC (and thus, the cloud) selected photos from Lightroom Classic CC, so there is no issue for me; Lightroom Classic CC leaves your photos where you put them; cloud sync in Classic CC is optional, as it has been for some time. Remove the photos from the cloud, stop using Lightroom CC, and the photos remain in place in Lightroom Classic CC. There is no substitute for Photoshop, Linux GIMP fans notwithstanding (if they needed pro-level photo management and editing they wouldn't be on Linux!). There are a number of apps similar to Lightroom, but those of us who do not own $50k PhaseOne cameras are more likely to stick with the well oiled Lightroom-Photoshop machine than to switch to Capture One Pro, e.g., a subscription to which costs up to twice as much per month as the Adobe Photography plan. (Though I have been tempted to get a three-month plan for Capture One Pro @ $30 per month, just to see what the fuss is about.) I don't do knee-jerk. I'm not concerned that I haven't yet decided on a workflow for the two apps; there is no deadline, and with winter coming I'll have plenty of time on my hands. One thing I've had fun with in Lightroom CC is its ability to quickly create web albums, either flat or as web pages with a bit of formatting. Here's one such page from my MacBook Pro license https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/72305aa6d3e441f89b16bdaae95457d4 and another from my iMac library https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/8f654d9fef354c428b68370c00e580c7. Quick and dirty, great for showing clients, family and friends. Lightroom CC on an iPad Pro is neat-o. Seems to have virtually all of the editing features of Lightroom CC on the desktop. As iPads become more powerful, Lr for iOS will be awesome. Lightroom CC on my 10.5” 512GB iPad Pro is somewhat different to the older Lightroom Mobile, but I have figured out many of the editing features including getting the selective editing to work to my expectations. I have several issues with regard to the LR CC storage which you might be able to resolve for me. As a subscriber, and user of the Classic Adobe CC Cloud storage I am familiar with having access to the Web interface, and the desktop Creative Cloud Files folder. Now that I am testing Lightroom CC, and have imported several RAW image files I can find no way to manage those files in the way that was possible before. No web access, and no Lightroom CC files folder. The test RAW files are not shown in my CC File storage. Are there equivalent Lightroom CC Cloud file folders, or web access to manage that storage. Not all of the Lightroom CC users are going to have a laptop to use when travelling, or even access to a desktop, just mobile devices. My old Mac laptops, a 17” G4, and a 17” MBP are beyond supporting current Adobe products,I don’t have plans to buy a new laptop, a new desktop Mac, yes, new lenses, yes, but not a new MBP. So my travel computing are my iPhone and my iPad Pro. Unfortunately neither one of those will permit direct import of RAW files when using the Apple Camera Kit, or WiFi from my cameras. I can import JPEGs to the camera roll, and those are still auto imported to LR CC (mobile) and synced with my desktop, now LR Classic CC (would that be LR-C CC?) all without issue. I can only import RAW files into new desktop/laptop LR CC with corresponding Smart Previews showing in my iPad for editing. So when on a road trip I have no way to move RAW files to the Lightroom CC cloud storage, and I am left with doing things the way I always have. That throws a wrench into the concept of storing all originals in the Lightroom CC Cloud. I can see that I am probably going to have to use my ColorSpace UDMA for RAW backup on-the-road, and the old mobile system for on-the-road editing and sharing. That leaves RAW import into LR-C CC as something to do when I get home. Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library. Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's $70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for 2TB, $110 for 10TB. Does that 2TB for $30 include the cost of the basic Photography Plan? I am more inclined to rent additional original plan storage. No, the Lightroom apps cannot sync to cloud services other than Adobe's. Users are free to back-up manually to any service they want, however. My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow. Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are not ready for the cloud! That is exactly what I am doing, and I intend to continue testing it. However, for now I just cannot see myself clear to fully adopt, or even integrate Lightroom CC into my workflow. ...but I am not going to throw it out just yet. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote:
snip I forgot to add this YT URL: https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz offers:m He also has some neat tutorials: https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started. -- PeterN |
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On 10/24/2017 4:26 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote: snip I forgot to add this YT URL: https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz offers:m He also has some neat tutorials: https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started. J left off this link: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8G9ylL4I8GpRaJsSCrrzwPSmv68mo2Ae -- PeterN |
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On Oct 24, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote: snip I forgot to add this YT URL: https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz offers:m He also has some neat tutorials: https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started. Interesting, but how did you get to luminosity masking in PS from my response to Davoud regarding Lightroom CC? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article , Davoud:
Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now. Tony Cooper: It can be tantamount to having lunch with Tomás de Torquemada and casually mentioning that Catholicism has flaws to bring up anything remotely critical of Adobe in this group, but I don't think I'm being unfairly critical. Just to be safe: LR CC is a *great* program for those who need the features it offers. I hope that you don't perceive that I took you to task for your assessment. Personal preference in non-life-threatening matters is unassailable. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On 10/24/2017 6:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 24, 2017, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote: snip I forgot to add this YT URL: https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz offers:m He also has some neat tutorials: https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started. Interesting, but how did you get to luminosity masking in PS from my response to Davoud regarding Lightroom CC? Although I have not tried it, the updated version of PS has "improved" luminosity masking. -- PeterN |
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Lightroom CC
On Oct 24, 2017, Davoud wrote
(in ): Savageduck: Due to your role as a beta tester, I am hoping you can provide some insight as to a few of the new Lightroom CC quirks. I will ask a question or two as I work through your reply to Tony. Thank you for a decent, rational response. Davoud: Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but I haven't settled on a personal workflow. That is my dilemma, and after looking at this interview, I suspect that Adobe never intended for Lightroom Classic CC, and Lightroom CC to work together, That video was the first I heard that they weren't meant to be used together. Anything in Classic can be synced to CC and appear in the cloud. Everything in CC appears in Classic. The two applications can run simultaneously on your Mac. But they're not meant to be used together. Go figure. There seems to be a disconnect, and a little confusion at all levels, both at Adobe, and out in the wild among the current, and potential users. I am trying to be fair, and intend to give it a good workout, but I have my original LR C CC/PS CC + Mobile apps workflow as a very imbedded, and for me, reflexive process. Due to that there is much I am not comfortable with when working with new Lightroom CC, both as a desktop, and on my iPad Pro. It's hard to argue against non-life-threatening personal preferences. Lightroom CC on my 10.5” 512GB iPad Pro is somewhat different to the older Lightroom Mobile, but I have figured out many of the editing features including getting the selective editing to work to my expectations. I have several issues with regard to the LR CC storage which you might be able to resolve for me. As a subscriber, and user of the Classic Adobe CC Cloud storage I am familiar with having access to the Web interface, and the desktop Creative Cloud Files folder. Now that I am testing Lightroom CC, and have imported several RAW image files I can find no way to manage those files in the way that was possible before. No web access, and no Lightroom CC files folder. The test RAW files are not shown in my CC File storage. Are there equivalent Lightroom CC Cloud file folders, or web access to manage that storage? Not understanding that. Firstly, there is only one cloud; whether the photos got there by manually syncing Lightroom Classic or automatically from Lightroom CC or the mobile app, they're available in all three apps. You can edit and delete photos from the cloud using CC or the mobile app. For your protection, however, photos deleted from the cloud will not be deleted from the Classic app; they remain on your HD. I understand that there is only one Creative Cloud. However, it seems that for the purposes of this trial offer for PP subscribers, we have our PP 20GB CC storage which I have been using since 2014, and a separate “hidden” 20GB of upgradeable Lightroom CC storage which can only be managed through LR CC. Not all of the Lightroom CC users are going to have a laptop to use when travelling, or even access to a desktop, just mobile devices. And that's where CC for mobile comes in. My old Mac laptops, a 17” G4, and a 17” MBP are beyond supporting current Adobe products,I don’t have plans to buy a new laptop, a new desktop Mac, yes, new lenses, yes, but not a new MBP. So my travel computing are my iPhone and my iPad Pro. Unfortunately neither one of those will permit direct import of RAW files when using the Apple Camera Kit, or WiFi from my cameras. I can import JPEGs to the camera roll, and those are still auto imported to LR CC (mobile) and synced with my desktop, now LR Classic CC (would that be LR-C CC?) all without issue. I have a 17" MBP from April 2012 that can run the new Adobe CC apps well enough! My 17” MBP is of 2008 vintage. It is running a 2.93 GHz Core 2 Duo, with 4GB of DDR3, 500GB HDD, and it can go no further than OS X 10.5.8. It runs PS CS5 and LR 2 (version 2.7). I can only import RAW files into new desktop/laptop LR CC with corresponding Smart Previews showing in my iPad for editing. So when on a road trip I have no way to move RAW files to the Lightroom CC cloud storage, and I am left with doing things the way I always have. That throws a wrench into the concept of storing all originals in the Lightroom CC Cloud. I'm not sure I get that. I just did all of the following to reconfirm: put an SD card into the iPad Pro adapter, imported a Canon raw photo to Camera Roll (no direct import to Lr that I can discern, unfortunately), imported the photo into Lightroom CC for iOS. Raw is preserved. Moments later the raw photo was in Lightroom Classic CC and in Lightroom CC on my iMac, still in raw format. Editing the raw in Lightroom Classic CC or in Lightroom CC on the Mac or iPad writes the changes to the cloud in text format. The changes stay with the raw file and are applied in Lightroom Classic as well. The changes are non-destructive, however; to make them real, open the file in Photoshop and save as a tiff or what-have-you. I have just checked that again. I am currently using a Fujifilm X-T2 and X-E2. The X-E2 RAF files show for import without issue. So the X-E2 is OK. However, the X-T2 RAF file previews do not show in the Camera Roll, but do sync to LR CC. This is workable, but makes the selection of individual X-T2 RAF files practically impossible. At best a workaround kludge which is time consuming, or a blind import of all the X-T2 RAF files. The X-T2 does not appear to be supported by iOS11, this is annoying considering the X-T2 was released in April 2016. I shoot RAF+JPEG with RAF going to SD card slot #1, and JPEGs to SD slot #2. Here is what the connected X-T2 SD card screen looks like. The visible preview is an in-camera processed jpeg. https://www.dropbox.com/s/q9egmza3kmxp5su/SC-101.png This is what the X-T2 RAF looks like in the Camera Roll. https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh9qe80qp74nt5l/SC-102.png ....and here is the succesfully synced X-T2 RAF in LR CC. https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vyjd0kwy17yoj7/SC-103.png I can see that I am probably going to have to use my ColorSpace UDMA for RAW backup on-the-road, and the old mobile system for on-the-road editing and sharing. That leaves RAW import into LR-C CC as something to do when I get home. Again, if you have sufficient bandwidth you can have those raws waiting for you in Lightroom Classic CC when you get home. I should have sufficient bandwidth to make the Tx/sync when at the on the road homebase/residence/(h)(m)otel for RAW files. Otherwise, the purchased broadband should be sufficient for JPEG sync, leaving the RAFs for home. Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library. Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's $70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for 2TB, $110 for 10TB. Does that 2TB for $30 include the cost of the basic Photography Plan? Yes, the whole shebang, apps and cloud space. To see for yourself, log in to your account at adobe.com, select Manage account, select Manage plan, then select Switch plan. Then you will see the options. The Photography Plan is the first item on the menu, or use the arrows to see the options for other subscription type. Under the prospective plan select the amount of storage you want in order to see pricing for various amounts of storage, from one to 10 TB. Great! I am more inclined to rent additional original plan storage. If you're going to do that, i.e., if you are going to put more into the cloud via Lightroom Classic CC, you *might* want to give further consideration to how you could use Lightroom CC to optimize your use of the images in the cloud. OK! I am still in test mode, so I will see how that works out. My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow. Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are not ready for the cloud! That is exactly what I am doing, and I intend to continue testing it. However, for now I just cannot see myself clear to fully adopt, or even integrate Lightroom CC into my workflow. ...but I am not going to throw it out just yet. It might sound like I'm talking up, or shilling for, Lightroom CC. The reality is that I do not know if it will be useful for me or not. At this instant in time it is a solution seeking a problem. Tomorrow it could be essential to me. That is what I feel right know. I have my current preference for the original workflow, but I don’t want to completely reject LR CC now, only to find later that it is going to be a useful tool. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Lightroom CC
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Savageduck wrote: I have a 17" MBP from April 2012 that can run the new Adobe CC apps well enough! My 17˛ MBP is of 2008 vintage. It is running a 2.93 GHz Core 2 Duo, with 4GB of DDR3, 500GB HDD, and it can go no further than OS X 10.5.8. yes it can. a 2008 macbook pro supports 10.11. replace its hd with an ssd and it will actually run reasonably well. or get something newer. |
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