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On 8/26/2017 10:12 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Aug 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote (in ): Not the case. I've played around with it some more, and find no advantage to what I already use. No reason to keep it. The Beta version is clunky and slow. The sliders are a pain in the ass compared to the sliders in, say, LR that can be ticked up/down with the arrow keys or values typed in. There's a significant delay between movement and result in the Beta. Export takes forever. The released final version may be quite a good program for those who don't have LR/PS, but I do so I see no need to explore further. But, it was interesting to check it out. BTW: Have you reported the findings from your use of the Beta to MacPhun? That is after all the purpose of making a Beta available to the public. It is both promotional, and a field/road test to identify and iron out issues/bugs to be fixed before final release. It is part of the implied arrangement for having a first peek at the app. When I was a beta tester I was under an NDA, but did report annoyances and bugs to the publisher. As compensation, I would receive a free copy of the final product. I was a beta tester for both Corel and NS. I guess things have changed. -- PeterN |
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On Aug 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 8/25/2017 6:11 PM, Bill W wrote: snip Not for me, not even close. It is nearly crippled compared to LR. But again, one of these days I'll grab a video card and compare everything all over again. It's either the video card, or a PC vs Mac issue. A few days ago I got an email from On1, apologizing for some of there screw ups, and making the product available for about $49, until 8/31. At that price I will give it a try. What product are they offering for $49? On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 upgrade from older editions: regular price $99.99 discounted to $79.99. On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 full version: regular price $119.99, discounted to $99.99. On1 Resize 10.5, formerly "Genuine Fractals" is an undiscounted $79.99. It is also included in On1 Photo RAW 2017.6. The old One1 Effects 10.5 is currently free. If you buy Photo RAW, remember not to ignore their video tutorials, they are very useful, and are much better than diving in blind. Photo RAW 2017 is a very different, but similar animal to the older On1 (OnOne) offerings as they are presenting On1 Photo RAW 2017 as a full Adobe LR/PS replacement in addition to its plugin functionality. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: There are three ways I can think of that disable a Beta or trial version of softwa 1. Expiration after a specified date that is built into the program. or encoded into the activation key. Still guessing. that's not a guess. *you're* the one who is guessing. 2. Expiration after a specified number of uses that is built into a program. that's not normally done for beta software, however, it is common for trial versions of shipping apps. 3. Expiration by a "phone home" remote disablement. possible, but given that they are using activation codes for an app that is beta, not likely. Luminar's offer does not specify, or even mention, an expiration factor. Programs that do have built-in expiration always - in my experience - specify this in the offer. it's implied because it's beta software. No, a reputable company - and this is a reputable company - would state any limitations. is that an absolute blanket statement i see??? what if i find an exception?? you're such a ****ing hypocrite. macphun is mainly based in the ukraine (marketing is in san diego), and reputable is the *last* thing that comes to mind. This is why your tiny fist-pounding insistence is not convincing me. another attack and i'm not trying to convince you or anyone else. Reputable companies don't "imply" limitations. They tell you outright what you're going to get and any limitations or restrictions. then they must be reputable: https://macphun.com/legal Macphun Software reserves the right, with or without notice, to restrict your use or access to the Software, in whole or in part. Since the Beta Luminar program has been downloaded to the user's computer, something has to be built in to disable it at a future time. obviously. Obviously that's a guess on your part. it's not a guess. for an app to expire, there *must* be something built into it that checks. it's common sense, something you lack. you're so incredibly clueless. |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: Oh, I realize that. Someone erred, but you just guessed. i did not guess nor do i guess. what i said is based on decades of software development experience That's what a guess is. It's a statement that you think if probably right based on your experience, but it is not a statement based on fact. nope. a guess is unknown, such as a coin flip. there is no way to know whether it will be heads or tails, although i'm sure you'll argue about the possibility of the coin being fixed or the remote chance of an edge. what i said was *not* a guess. I can *guess* that you will reply to this post. Based on my observation of your behavior over time, you feel you must have the last word and *always* reply to a post. I can guess that you will always say the other person is over their head, doesn't know what they are talking about, is arguing just to argue, and all the other standard put-downs you predictably use...but those are guesses. actually, you really are over your head, you have never worked in the software industry and don't know how it works and you're arguing just to argue. you jump at any opportunity to attack me. I can guess you will not apologize for saying that I faked an email just dishing back what you dish out. even though you know it was a lie. not possible, because by *your* own definition, i can only 'guess' at what you did. since i wasn't watching your every move or monitoring your computer, i do *not* have facts about what you did or didn't do. there *is* a non-zero chance that it's fake, particularly since it's *very* easy to do. like i said, dishing it right back. |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: When I was a beta tester I was under an NDA, but did report annoyances and bugs to the publisher. As compensation, I would receive a free copy of the final product. I was a beta tester for both Corel and NS. I guess things have changed. it's a public beta. an nda for a public beta does not make sense. |
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On 8/26/2017 7:06 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Aug 26, 2017, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 8/25/2017 6:11 PM, Bill W wrote: snip Not for me, not even close. It is nearly crippled compared to LR. But again, one of these days I'll grab a video card and compare everything all over again. It's either the video card, or a PC vs Mac issue. A few days ago I got an email from On1, apologizing for some of there screw ups, and making the product available for about $49, until 8/31. At that price I will give it a try. What product are they offering for $49? On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 upgrade from older editions: regular price $99.99 discounted to $79.99. On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 full version: regular price $119.99, discounted to $99.99. On1 Resize 10.5, formerly "Genuine Fractals" is an undiscounted $79.99. It is also included in On1 Photo RAW 2017.6. The old One1 Effects 10.5 is currently free. If you buy Photo RAW, remember not to ignore their video tutorials, they are very useful, and are much better than diving in blind. Photo RAW 2017 is a very different, but similar animal to the older On1 (OnOne) offerings as they are presenting On1 Photo RAW 2017 as a full Adobe LR/PS replacement in addition to its plugin functionality. 2017.6 https://www.on1.com/promo/0817-photo2017/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu7_xs6v21QIVBrbACh0dzwV5EAAYASA AEgKAJPD_BwE -- PeterN |
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On 8/26/2017 8:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: When I was a beta tester I was under an NDA, but did report annoyances and bugs to the publisher. As compensation, I would receive a free copy of the final product. I was a beta tester for both Corel and NS. I guess things have changed. it's a public beta. an nda for a public beta does not make sense. Gee dad it's a Wurlitzer! -- PeterN |
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On Aug 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 8/26/2017 7:06 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Aug 26, 2017, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 8/25/2017 6:11 PM, Bill W wrote: snip Not for me, not even close. It is nearly crippled compared to LR. But again, one of these days I'll grab a video card and compare everything all over again. It's either the video card, or a PC vs Mac issue. A few days ago I got an email from On1, apologizing for some of there screw ups, and making the product available for about $49, until 8/31. At that price I will give it a try. What product are they offering for $49? On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 upgrade from older editions: regular price $99.99 discounted to $79.99. On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 full version: regular price $119.99, discounted to $99.99. On1 Resize 10.5, formerly "Genuine Fractals" is an undiscounted $79.99. It is also included in On1 Photo RAW 2017.6. The old One1 Effects 10.5 is currently free. If you buy Photo RAW, remember not to ignore their video tutorials, they are very useful, and are much better than diving in blind. Photo RAW 2017 is a very different, but similar animal to the older On1 (OnOne) offerings as they are presenting On1 Photo RAW 2017 as a full Adobe LR/PS replacement in addition to its plugin functionality. 2017.6 https://www.on1.com/promo/0817-photo2017/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu7_xs6v21QIVBrbACh0dzwV5EAAYASA AEgKAJPD_BwE That is a bargain, and for somebody like you, my recommendation is, buy it NOW! Download, and install IMMEDIATELY! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:34:51 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On Aug 26, 2017, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 8/26/2017 7:06 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Aug 26, 2017, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 8/25/2017 6:11 PM, Bill W wrote: snip Not for me, not even close. It is nearly crippled compared to LR. But again, one of these days I'll grab a video card and compare everything all over again. It's either the video card, or a PC vs Mac issue. A few days ago I got an email from On1, apologizing for some of there screw ups, and making the product available for about $49, until 8/31. At that price I will give it a try. What product are they offering for $49? On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 upgrade from older editions: regular price $99.99 discounted to $79.99. On1 Photo RAW 2017.6 full version: regular price $119.99, discounted to $99.99. On1 Resize 10.5, formerly "Genuine Fractals" is an undiscounted $79.99. It is also included in On1 Photo RAW 2017.6. The old One1 Effects 10.5 is currently free. If you buy Photo RAW, remember not to ignore their video tutorials, they are very useful, and are much better than diving in blind. Photo RAW 2017 is a very different, but similar animal to the older On1 (OnOne) offerings as they are presenting On1 Photo RAW 2017 as a full Adobe LR/PS replacement in addition to its plugin functionality. 2017.6 https://www.on1.com/promo/0817-photo2017/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu7_xs6v21QIVBrbACh0dzwV5EAAYASA AEgKAJPD_BwE That is a bargain, and for somebody like you, my recommendation is, buy it NOW! Download, and install IMMEDIATELY! Agreed. $49 is like free. |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: Oh, I realize that. Someone erred, but you just guessed. i did not guess nor do i guess. what i said is based on decades of software development experience That's what a guess is. It's a statement that you think if probably right based on your experience, but it is not a statement based on fact. nope. a guess is unknown, such as a coin flip. Good Lord!, but you can say some stupid things. A coin flip is chance, not a guess. You can call heads or tails, but you are not guessing the outcome. it's a guess. there is no way to know which way it will fall so all one can do is guess. A guess is a statement that is supposition or conjecture not based on fact, and can be based on an unlimited/undefined number of outcomes. Calling a coin toss heads or tails is choosing one of two known possible outcomes. (Assuming that an on-edge landing is re-tossed) there is no requirement that there is an unlimited number of outcomes. Your own prior weaseling defenses are that you are making an "educated guess" based on what you claim is your experience in the field. Conjecturing. it's a very accurate prediction based on hundreds of other companies. nothing is absolute, so there's a very small chance that they decide to be different and not expire it as is normally done, but that chance is very small, small enough that it can be ignored. You can only guess about what MacPhun will do about the Beta version when the pay version is ready. You don't even know, for sure, there will ever be a pay version. It's possible that MacPhun will determine that there is not sufficient support or interest to continue the program. i do know for sure that there will be a paid version because they've said so. they've even hinted at its price. It may go the way NIK has gone...continue using what's been put out already, but there will be no future support. that would be a guess on your part, based on absolutely nothing. nik is now unsupported only because google bought it and killed it. Try again. You're losing badly. it's not me who is losing. |
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