Lightroom CC

Tony Cooper:
The following are observations and comments on the new Lightroom CC
and not at all criticisms. Each of us who use Lightroom have our own
workflow that we've become used to and a requirement to change that
workflow is usually not viewed well. And, each of us has different
needs.

I have been in a secret underground bunker for some time as a beta
tester for Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC. I thought of myself
as a representative of the advanced-amateur cohort. I bought Lightroom
when it first appeared and ran it alongside Aperture. I saw the
handwriting on the wall long before Apple discontinued Aperture and
transitioned to Lightroom for all of my asset management and
pre-processing well before Apple discontinued Aperture.

Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two
new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's
thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but
I haven't settled on a personal workflow.

Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in
mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that
anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less
settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now.

I have no particular need for, or interest in, access to LR from more
than one work station. But, I downloaded LR CC and gave it a run.

Why not give it a run! The new Lightroom CC is included in your
subscription. I have the need to run Lightroom and Photoshop from
multiple machines. I have a license for Adobe CC (all apps) on two
iMacs and a license for Adobe Photography Plan (Lightroom Classic CC,
Lightroom CC, and Photoshop) on two MacBook Pros.

For those who have a problem with the subscription scheme, tough luck.
Go elsewhere. Top-tier editing with Photoshop and now two versions of
Lightroom (three counting the mobile app) is an absolute bargain at
$9.99 per month, less for students and some others.

Some of the differences between LR CC and LR Classic baffle me. I
don't understand why Adobe created these differences.

The important thing for people to understand is that Lightroom Classic
CC is the *same* Lightroom that they have known and loved, but with a
new and possibly confusing name and with improved performance and added
features. Nothing changes in file handling, including the ability to
send selected photos to the cloud for viewing and editing on your iPad.

Adobe took a lot of guff from beta testers in the Prerelease Forum on
product naming. In a nutshell, they gave the old app a new
name‹Lightroom CC renamed to Lightroom Classic CC‹and they gave the new
app the old name‹Lightroom CC. That has a lot of folks baffled and up
in arms from the start. Beta testers were in communication with
techies, not marketing wonks, and the techies insisted that the names
were locked in and not subject to discussion. So be it. I'd have named
the new app "Lightroom Mobile CC."

The official forums are at
https://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom. At that URL the
Lightroom forum splits: "All-new Lightroom CC" and "Lightroom Classic
CC." Adobe forums are worth joining, IMO. One thing you will find is
knee-jerk reaction. People were declaring within *an* *hour* of release
of the two new apps that Adobe would be out of business soon, Adobe had
abandoned them, they were abandoning Adobe, you-name-it. It could be
the naming issue, but some seemed not to realize that Lightroom Classic
CC is just a new version of Lightroom and the new app, Lightroom CC,
can be ignored by those who don't want their photos in the cloud for
one reason for another, or, as I call them, "those who don't get that
the mobility offered by the cloud is the wave of the future." All
Lightroom CC photos are in the cloud; that's not optional. There is an
option to keep them on a local drive as well. At the moment I'm feeding
Lightroom CC (and thus, the cloud) selected photos from Lightroom
Classic CC, so there is no issue for me; Lightroom Classic CC leaves
your photos where you put them; cloud sync in Classic CC is optional,
as it has been for some time. Remove the photos from the cloud, stop
using Lightroom CC, and the photos remain in place in Lightroom Classic
CC.

There is no substitute for Photoshop, Linux GIMP fans notwithstanding
(if they needed pro-level photo management and editing they wouldn't be
on Linux!). There are a number of apps similar to Lightroom, but those
of us who do not own $50k PhaseOne cameras are more likely to stick
with the well oiled Lightroom-Photoshop machine than to switch to
Capture One Pro, e.g., a subscription to which costs up to twice as
much per month as the Adobe Photography plan. (Though I have been
tempted to get a three-month plan for Capture One Pro @ $30 per month,
just to see what the fuss is about.)

I don't do knee-jerk. I'm not concerned that I haven't yet decided on a
workflow for the two apps; there is no deadline, and with winter coming
I'll have plenty of time on my hands. One thing I've had fun with in
Lightroom CC is its ability to quickly create web albums, either flat
or as web pages with a bit of formatting. Here's one such page from my
MacBook Pro license
https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/72305aa6d3e441f89b16bdaae95457d4
and another from my iMac library
https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/8f654d9fef354c428b68370c00e580c7.
Quick and dirty, great for showing clients, family and friends.

Lightroom CC on an iPad Pro is neat-o. Seems to have virtually all of
the editing features of Lightroom CC on the desktop. As iPads become
more powerful, Lr for iOS will be awesome.

Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the
full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries
run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library.
Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it
is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's
$70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for
2TB, $110 for 10TB.

No, the Lightroom apps cannot sync to cloud services other than
Adobe's. Users are free to back-up manually to any service they want,
however.

My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow.
Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you
haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's
always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are
not ready for the cloud!

When shooting a series of photographs taken on the same outing, I
always open the first one, set certain things (Clarity, Vibrance, Crop
Size, and Lens Correction) and then Synch all the shots in that
import. I can over-ride a synched setting, but I seldom do so.

In LR CC, there is no Synch command*. The user can copy the settings
from that first image and paste it to the rest in the series to
accomplish the same thing, but I don't understand why Adobe changed a
workflow step that works to a different workflow step.

My workflow includes naming each shot in a date format: 2017-10-23-01.
LR Classic has a drop-down that displays the thumbnails by File Name.
LR CC does not have that option. There are options (eg: Capture
Date, Modified Date), but that does not allow putting the images in
sequence desired.

LR Classic allows me to display thumbnails in Grid with certain
information. Mine shows file name above each thumbnail. I have to go
to the small "i" to show the file name for each photo. The info is
there, but the user has to look over to the panel and the screen is
reduced by the panel.

LR CC removes certain settings from the Basic panel and puts them in a
different panel. Clarity is in Effects, for example. No problem
really, but the person who using LR CC has to figure where things are
now and adjust. There doesn't seem to be a good reason for that type
of change.

If the function is there in both versions, then it would seem sensible
to have the interface as close as possible to the same on both rather
than make the users figure out where what is.

For the person who has frequent need to access their images away from
their home work station, LR CC will be a very valuable addition to
Adobe's stable. I understand this.

I do wonder if that person will upload all of their files to LR CC or
just the more current files. That 20 Gb free (CC Photography
subscribers, not full CC users) is not going to accommodate a lot of
users for all of their images. That means that they will not being
going over to LR CC entirely, but will be using both versions. And,
adjusting each time.

As their current images start to exceed the 20 Gb size, they'll have
to start moving images back to their home storage.

Adobe may fine tune LR CC as they get user input, but the above are
some conditions that I feel deserve comment. Not criticism, but
comment.


*Well, there is "Synch", but it synchs the image with the cloud
storage file.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On Oct 23, 2017, Davoud wrote
(in article ):

Tony Cooper:
The following are observations and comments on the new Lightroom CC
and not at all criticisms. Each of us who use Lightroom have our own
workflow that we've become used to and a requirement to change that
workflow is usually not viewed well. And, each of us has different
needs.

I have been in a secret underground bunker for some time as a beta
tester for Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC. I thought of myself
as a representative of the advanced-amateur cohort. I bought Lightroom
when it first appeared and ran it alongside Aperture. I saw the
handwriting on the wall long before Apple discontinued Aperture and
transitioned to Lightroom for all of my asset management and
pre-processing well before Apple discontinued Aperture.

I too have been a Lightroom user since day one, and I am a subscriber to the
Adobe Photography Plan.

Due to your role as a beta tester, I am hoping you can provide some insight
as to a few of the new Lightroom CC quirks. I will ask a question or two as I
work through your reply to Tony.

Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two
new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's
thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but
I haven't settled on a personal workflow.

That is my dilemma, and after looking at this interview, I suspect that Adobe
never intended for Lightroom Classic CC, and Lightroom CC to work together,


Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in
mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that
anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less
settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now.

I believe that there are going to be frequent updates to refine the mobile &
Lightroom CC workspace. I also understand that for the most part it will run
as a separate entity to the Photography Plan LR Classic CC/ Photoshop CC 2018
workspace.

I have no particular need for, or interest in, access to LR from more
than one work station. But, I downloaded LR CC and gave it a run.

Why not give it a run! The new Lightroom CC is included in your
subscription. I have the need to run Lightroom and Photoshop from
multiple machines. I have a license for Adobe CC (all apps) on two
iMacs and a license for Adobe Photography Plan (Lightroom Classic CC,
Lightroom CC, and Photoshop) on two MacBook Pros.

I am trying to be fair, and intend to give it a good workout, but I have my
original LR C CC/PS CC + Mobile apps workflow as a very imbedded, and for me,
reflexive process. Due to that there is much I am not comfortable with when
working with new Lightroom CC, both as a desktop, and on my iPad Pro.

For those who have a problem with the subscription scheme, tough luck.
Go elsewhere. Top-tier editing with Photoshop and now two versions of
Lightroom (three counting the mobile app) is an absolute bargain at
$9.99 per month, less for students and some others.

Some of the differences between LR CC and LR Classic baffle me. I
don't understand why Adobe created these differences.

The important thing for people to understand is that Lightroom Classic
CC is the *same* Lightroom that they have known and loved, but with a
new and possibly confusing name and with improved performance and added
features. Nothing changes in file handling, including the ability to
send selected photos to the cloud for viewing and editing on your iPad.

That much I get.

Adobe took a lot of guff from beta testers in the Prerelease Forum on
product naming. In a nutshell, they gave the old app a new
name‹Lightroom CC renamed to Lightroom Classic CC‹and they gave the new
app the old name‹Lightroom CC. That has a lot of folks baffled and up
in arms from the start. Beta testers were in communication with
techies, not marketing wonks, and the techies insisted that the names
were locked in and not subject to discussion. So be it. I'd have named
the new app "Lightroom Mobile CC."

The official forums are at
https://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom. At that URL the
Lightroom forum splits: "All-new Lightroom CC" and "Lightroom Classic
CC." Adobe forums are worth joining, IMO. One thing you will find is
knee-jerk reaction. People were declaring within *an* *hour* of release
of the two new apps that Adobe would be out of business soon, Adobe had
abandoned them, they were abandoning Adobe, you-name-it. It could be
the naming issue, but some seemed not to realize that Lightroom Classic
CC is just a new version of Lightroom and the new app, Lightroom CC,
can be ignored by those who don't want their photos in the cloud for
one reason for another, or, as I call them, "those who don't get that
the mobility offered by the cloud is the wave of the future." All
Lightroom CC photos are in the cloud; that's not optional. There is an
option to keep them on a local drive as well. At the moment I'm feeding
Lightroom CC (and thus, the cloud) selected photos from Lightroom
Classic CC, so there is no issue for me; Lightroom Classic CC leaves
your photos where you put them; cloud sync in Classic CC is optional,
as it has been for some time. Remove the photos from the cloud, stop
using Lightroom CC, and the photos remain in place in Lightroom Classic
CC.

There is no substitute for Photoshop, Linux GIMP fans notwithstanding
(if they needed pro-level photo management and editing they wouldn't be
on Linux!). There are a number of apps similar to Lightroom, but those
of us who do not own $50k PhaseOne cameras are more likely to stick
with the well oiled Lightroom-Photoshop machine than to switch to
Capture One Pro, e.g., a subscription to which costs up to twice as
much per month as the Adobe Photography plan. (Though I have been
tempted to get a three-month plan for Capture One Pro @ $30 per month,
just to see what the fuss is about.)

I don't do knee-jerk. I'm not concerned that I haven't yet decided on a
workflow for the two apps; there is no deadline, and with winter coming
I'll have plenty of time on my hands. One thing I've had fun with in
Lightroom CC is its ability to quickly create web albums, either flat
or as web pages with a bit of formatting. Here's one such page from my
MacBook Pro license
https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/72305aa6d3e441f89b16bdaae95457d4
and another from my iMac library
https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/8f654d9fef354c428b68370c00e580c7.
Quick and dirty, great for showing clients, family and friends.

Lightroom CC on an iPad Pro is neat-o. Seems to have virtually all of
the editing features of Lightroom CC on the desktop. As iPads become
more powerful, Lr for iOS will be awesome.

Lightroom CC on my 10.5� 512GB iPad Pro is somewhat different to the older
Lightroom Mobile, but I have figured out many of the editing features
including getting the selective editing to work to my expectations.

I have several issues with regard to the LR CC storage which you might be
able to resolve for me.

As a subscriber, and user of the Classic Adobe CC Cloud storage I am familiar
with having access to the Web interface, and the desktop Creative Cloud Files
folder. Now that I am testing Lightroom CC, and have imported several RAW
image files I can find no way to manage those files in the way that was
possible before. No web access, and no Lightroom CC files folder. The test
RAW files are not shown in my CC File storage.

Are there equivalent Lightroom CC Cloud file folders, or web access to manage
that storage.

Not all of the Lightroom CC users are going to have a laptop to use when
travelling, or even access to a desktop, just mobile devices.

My old Mac laptops, a 17� G4, and a 17� MBP are beyond supporting current
Adobe products,I don’t have plans to buy a new laptop, a new desktop Mac,
yes, new lenses, yes, but not a new MBP. So my travel computing are my iPhone
and my iPad Pro. Unfortunately neither one of those will permit direct import
of RAW files when using the Apple Camera Kit, or WiFi from my cameras. I can
import JPEGs to the camera roll, and those are still auto imported to LR CC
(mobile) and synced with my desktop, now LR Classic CC (would that be LR-C
CC?) all without issue.

I can only import RAW files into new desktop/laptop LR CC with corresponding
Smart Previews showing in my iPad for editing. So when on a road trip I have
no way to move RAW files to the Lightroom CC cloud storage, and I am left
with doing things the way I always have. That throws a wrench into the
concept of storing all originals in the Lightroom CC Cloud.

I can see that I am probably going to have to use my ColorSpace UDMA for RAW
backup on-the-road, and the old mobile system for on-the-road editing and
sharing. That leaves RAW import into LR-C CC as something to do when I get
home.


Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the
full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries
run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library.
Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it
is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's
$70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for
2TB, $110 for 10TB.

Does that 2TB for $30 include the cost of the basic Photography Plan?

I am more inclined to rent additional original plan storage.

No, the Lightroom apps cannot sync to cloud services other than
Adobe's. Users are free to back-up manually to any service they want,
however.

My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow.
Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you
haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's
always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are
not ready for the cloud!

That is exactly what I am doing, and I intend to continue testing it.
However, for now I just cannot see myself clear to fully adopt, or even
integrate Lightroom CC into my workflow.

....but I am not going to throw it out just yet.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On Oct 23, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Oct 23, 2017, Davoud wrote
(in article ):

Tony Cooper:
The following are observations and comments on the new Lightroom CC
and not at all criticisms. Each of us who use Lightroom have our own
workflow that we've become used to and a requirement to change that
workflow is usually not viewed well. And, each of us has different
needs.

I have been in a secret underground bunker for some time as a beta
tester for Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC. I thought of myself
as a representative of the advanced-amateur cohort. I bought Lightroom
when it first appeared and ran it alongside Aperture. I saw the
handwriting on the wall long before Apple discontinued Aperture and
transitioned to Lightroom for all of my asset management and
pre-processing well before Apple discontinued Aperture.

I too have been a Lightroom user since day one, and I am a subscriber to the
Adobe Photography Plan.

Due to your role as a beta tester, I am hoping you can provide some insight
as to a few of the new Lightroom CC quirks. I will ask a question or two as I
work through your reply to Tony.

Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two
new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's
thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but
I haven't settled on a personal workflow.

That is my dilemma, and after looking at this interview, I suspect that Adobe
never intended for Lightroom Classic CC, and Lightroom CC to work together.

I forgot to add this YT URL:

https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg


Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in
mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that
anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less
settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now.

I believe that there are going to be frequent updates to refine the mobile &
Lightroom CC workspace. I also understand that for the most part it will run
as a separate entity to the Photography Plan LR Classic CC/ Photoshop CC 2018
workspace.

I have no particular need for, or interest in, access to LR from more
than one work station. But, I downloaded LR CC and gave it a run.

Why not give it a run! The new Lightroom CC is included in your
subscription. I have the need to run Lightroom and Photoshop from
multiple machines. I have a license for Adobe CC (all apps) on two
iMacs and a license for Adobe Photography Plan (Lightroom Classic CC,
Lightroom CC, and Photoshop) on two MacBook Pros.

I am trying to be fair, and intend to give it a good workout, but I have my
original LR C CC/PS CC + Mobile apps workflow as a very imbedded, and for me,
reflexive process. Due to that there is much I am not comfortable with when
working with new Lightroom CC, both as a desktop, and on my iPad Pro.

For those who have a problem with the subscription scheme, tough luck.
Go elsewhere. Top-tier editing with Photoshop and now two versions of
Lightroom (three counting the mobile app) is an absolute bargain at
$9.99 per month, less for students and some others.

Some of the differences between LR CC and LR Classic baffle me. I
don't understand why Adobe created these differences.

The important thing for people to understand is that Lightroom Classic
CC is the *same* Lightroom that they have known and loved, but with a
new and possibly confusing name and with improved performance and added
features. Nothing changes in file handling, including the ability to
send selected photos to the cloud for viewing and editing on your iPad.

That much I get.

Adobe took a lot of guff from beta testers in the Prerelease Forum on
product naming. In a nutshell, they gave the old app a new
name‹Lightroom CC renamed to Lightroom Classic CC‹and they gave the new
app the old name‹Lightroom CC. That has a lot of folks baffled and up
in arms from the start. Beta testers were in communication with
techies, not marketing wonks, and the techies insisted that the names
were locked in and not subject to discussion. So be it. I'd have named
the new app "Lightroom Mobile CC."

The official forums are at
https://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom. At that URL the
Lightroom forum splits: "All-new Lightroom CC" and "Lightroom Classic
CC." Adobe forums are worth joining, IMO. One thing you will find is
knee-jerk reaction. People were declaring within *an* *hour* of release
of the two new apps that Adobe would be out of business soon, Adobe had
abandoned them, they were abandoning Adobe, you-name-it. It could be
the naming issue, but some seemed not to realize that Lightroom Classic
CC is just a new version of Lightroom and the new app, Lightroom CC,
can be ignored by those who don't want their photos in the cloud for
one reason for another, or, as I call them, "those who don't get that
the mobility offered by the cloud is the wave of the future." All
Lightroom CC photos are in the cloud; that's not optional. There is an
option to keep them on a local drive as well. At the moment I'm feeding
Lightroom CC (and thus, the cloud) selected photos from Lightroom
Classic CC, so there is no issue for me; Lightroom Classic CC leaves
your photos where you put them; cloud sync in Classic CC is optional,
as it has been for some time. Remove the photos from the cloud, stop
using Lightroom CC, and the photos remain in place in Lightroom Classic
CC.

There is no substitute for Photoshop, Linux GIMP fans notwithstanding
(if they needed pro-level photo management and editing they wouldn't be
on Linux!). There are a number of apps similar to Lightroom, but those
of us who do not own $50k PhaseOne cameras are more likely to stick
with the well oiled Lightroom-Photoshop machine than to switch to
Capture One Pro, e.g., a subscription to which costs up to twice as
much per month as the Adobe Photography plan. (Though I have been
tempted to get a three-month plan for Capture One Pro @ $30 per month,
just to see what the fuss is about.)

I don't do knee-jerk. I'm not concerned that I haven't yet decided on a
workflow for the two apps; there is no deadline, and with winter coming
I'll have plenty of time on my hands. One thing I've had fun with in
Lightroom CC is its ability to quickly create web albums, either flat
or as web pages with a bit of formatting. Here's one such page from my
MacBook Pro license
https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/72305aa6d3e441f89b16bdaae95457d4
and another from my iMac library
https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/8f654d9fef354c428b68370c00e580c7.
Quick and dirty, great for showing clients, family and friends.

Lightroom CC on an iPad Pro is neat-o. Seems to have virtually all of
the editing features of Lightroom CC on the desktop. As iPads become
more powerful, Lr for iOS will be awesome.

Lightroom CC on my 10.5� 512GB iPad Pro is somewhat different to the older
Lightroom Mobile, but I have figured out many of the editing features
including getting the selective editing to work to my expectations.

I have several issues with regard to the LR CC storage which you might be
able to resolve for me.

As a subscriber, and user of the Classic Adobe CC Cloud storage I am familiar
with having access to the Web interface, and the desktop Creative Cloud Files
folder. Now that I am testing Lightroom CC, and have imported several RAW
image files I can find no way to manage those files in the way that was
possible before. No web access, and no Lightroom CC files folder. The test
RAW files are not shown in my CC File storage.

Are there equivalent Lightroom CC Cloud file folders, or web access to manage
that storage.

Not all of the Lightroom CC users are going to have a laptop to use when
travelling, or even access to a desktop, just mobile devices.

My old Mac laptops, a 17� G4, and a 17� MBP are beyond supporting current
Adobe products,I don’t have plans to buy a new laptop, a new desktop Mac,
yes, new lenses, yes, but not a new MBP. So my travel computing are my iPhone
and my iPad Pro. Unfortunately neither one of those will permit direct import
of RAW files when using the Apple Camera Kit, or WiFi from my cameras. I can
import JPEGs to the camera roll, and those are still auto imported to LR CC
(mobile) and synced with my desktop, now LR Classic CC (would that be LR-C
CC?) all without issue.

I can only import RAW files into new desktop/laptop LR CC with corresponding
Smart Previews showing in my iPad for editing. So when on a road trip I have
no way to move RAW files to the Lightroom CC cloud storage, and I am left
with doing things the way I always have. That throws a wrench into the
concept of storing all originals in the Lightroom CC Cloud.

I can see that I am probably going to have to use my ColorSpace UDMA for RAW
backup on-the-road, and the old mobile system for on-the-road editing and
sharing. That leaves RAW import into LR-C CC as something to do when I get
home.


Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the
full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries
run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library.
Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it
is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's
$70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for
2TB, $110 for 10TB.

Does that 2TB for $30 include the cost of the basic Photography Plan?

I am more inclined to rent additional original plan storage.

No, the Lightroom apps cannot sync to cloud services other than
Adobe's. Users are free to back-up manually to any service they want,
however.

My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow.
Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you
haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's
always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are
not ready for the cloud!

That is exactly what I am doing, and I intend to continue testing it.
However, for now I just cannot see myself clear to fully adopt, or even
integrate Lightroom CC into my workflow.

...but I am not going to throw it out just yet.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

I forgot to add this YT URL:

https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg



If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz
offers:m He also has some neat tutorials:

https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started.


--
PeterN

On 10/24/2017 4:26 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

I forgot to add this YT URL:

https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg



If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz
offers:m He also has some neat tutorials:

https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started.



J left off this link:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8G9ylL4I8GpRaJsSCrrzwPSmv68mo2Ae

--
PeterN

On Oct 24, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote:

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I forgot to add this YT URL:

https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg

If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz
offers:m He also has some neat tutorials:

https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started.

Interesting, but how did you get to luminosity masking in PS from my response
to Davoud regarding Lightroom CC?

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Regards,
Savageduck

In article , Davoud:
Executive summary: Your points make sense, but readers should bear in
mind that Lightroom CC is four days old. It's version 1. I doubt that
anyone has mastered all of the ins and outs at this point. much less
settled on a workflow. Let's see what it looks like a year from now.

Tony Cooper:
It can be tantamount to having lunch with Tomás de Torquemada and
casually mentioning that Catholicism has flaws to bring up anything
remotely critical of Adobe in this group, but I don't think I'm being
unfairly critical. Just to be safe: LR CC is a *great* program for
those who need the features it offers.

I hope that you don't perceive that I took you to task for your
assessment. Personal preference in non-life-threatening matters is
unassailable.

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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On 10/24/2017 6:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 24, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 10/24/2017 12:36 AM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

I forgot to add this YT URL:

https://youtu.be/WaBeeBUZvAg

If you are going to play with luminosity masking see what Greg Benz
offers:m He also has some neat tutorials:

https://gregbenzphotography.com/news/lumenzia-v4 Will get you started.

Interesting, but how did you get to luminosity masking in PS from my response
to Davoud regarding Lightroom CC?


Although I have not tried it, the updated version of PS has "improved"
luminosity masking.

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PeterN

On Oct 24, 2017, Davoud wrote
(in ):

Savageduck:
Due to your role as a beta tester, I am hoping you can provide some insight
as to a few of the new Lightroom CC quirks. I will ask a question or two as
I work through your reply to Tony.

Thank you for a decent, rational response.

Davoud:
Even so, I don't yet have a complete handle on how I will use the two
new apps together. I know how they work, learned some of Adobe's
thinking, even accepted the mistake Adobe made in naming the apps, but
I haven't settled on a personal workflow.

That is my dilemma, and after looking at this interview, I suspect that
Adobe never intended for Lightroom Classic CC, and Lightroom CC to work together,

That video was the first I heard that they weren't meant to be used together.
Anything in Classic can be synced to CC and appear in the cloud. Everything
in CC appears in Classic. The two applications can run simultaneously on your
Mac. But they're not meant to be used together. Go figure.

There seems to be a disconnect, and a little confusion at all levels, both at
Adobe, and out in the wild among the current, and potential users.


I am trying to be fair, and intend to give it a good workout, but I have my
original LR C CC/PS CC + Mobile apps workflow as a very imbedded, and for
me, reflexive process. Due to that there is much I am not comfortable with when
working with new Lightroom CC, both as a desktop, and on my iPad Pro.

It's hard to argue against non-life-threatening personal preferences.

Lightroom CC on my 10.5� 512GB iPad Pro is somewhat different to the older
Lightroom Mobile, but I have figured out many of the editing features
including getting the selective editing to work to my expectations.

I have several issues with regard to the LR CC storage which you might be
able to resolve for me.

As a subscriber, and user of the Classic Adobe CC Cloud storage I am
familiar with having access to the Web interface, and the desktop Creative Cloud
Files folder. Now that I am testing Lightroom CC, and have imported several RAW
image files I can find no way to manage those files in the way that was
possible before. No web access, and no Lightroom CC files folder. The test
RAW files are not shown in my CC File storage.

Are there equivalent Lightroom CC Cloud file folders, or web access to
manage that storage?

Not understanding that. Firstly, there is only one cloud; whether the photos
got there by manually syncing Lightroom Classic or automatically from
Lightroom CC or the mobile app, they're available in all three apps. You can
edit and delete photos from the cloud using CC or the mobile app. For your
protection, however, photos deleted from the cloud will not be deleted from
the Classic app; they remain on your HD.

I understand that there is only one Creative Cloud. However, it seems that
for the purposes of this trial offer for PP subscribers, we have our PP 20GB
CC storage which I have been using since 2014, and a separate “hidden�
20GB of upgradeable Lightroom CC storage which can only be managed through LR
CC.


Not all of the Lightroom CC users are going to have a laptop to use when
travelling, or even access to a desktop, just mobile devices.

And that's where CC for mobile comes in.

My old Mac laptops, a 17� G4, and a 17� MBP are beyond supporting
current Adobe products,I don’t have plans to buy a new laptop, a new desktop Mac,
yes, new lenses, yes, but not a new MBP. So my travel computing are my
iPhone and my iPad Pro. Unfortunately neither one of those will permit direct
import of RAW files when using the Apple Camera Kit, or WiFi from my cameras. I can
import JPEGs to the camera roll, and those are still auto imported to LR CC
(mobile) and synced with my desktop, now LR Classic CC (would that be LR-C
CC?) all without issue.

I have a 17" MBP from April 2012 that can run the new Adobe CC apps well
enough!

My 17� MBP is of 2008 vintage. It is running a 2.93 GHz Core 2 Duo, with
4GB of DDR3, 500GB HDD, and it can go no further than OS X 10.5.8.

It runs PS CS5 and LR 2 (version 2.7).


I can only import RAW files into new desktop/laptop LR CC with corresponding
Smart Previews showing in my iPad for editing. So when on a road trip I have
no way to move RAW files to the Lightroom CC cloud storage, and I am left
with doing things the way I always have. That throws a wrench into the
concept of storing all originals in the Lightroom CC Cloud.

I'm not sure I get that. I just did all of the following to reconfirm: put an
SD card into the iPad Pro adapter, imported a Canon raw photo to Camera Roll
(no direct import to Lr that I can discern, unfortunately), imported the
photo into Lightroom CC for iOS. Raw is preserved. Moments later the raw
photo was in Lightroom Classic CC and in Lightroom CC on my iMac, still in
raw format. Editing the raw in Lightroom Classic CC or in Lightroom CC on the
Mac or iPad writes the changes to the cloud in text format. The changes stay
with the raw file and are applied in Lightroom Classic as well. The changes
are non-destructive, however; to make them real, open the file in Photoshop
and save as a tiff or what-have-you.

I have just checked that again. I am currently using a Fujifilm X-T2 and
X-E2. The X-E2 RAF files show for import without issue. So the X-E2 is OK.
However, the X-T2 RAF file previews do not show in the Camera Roll, but do
sync to LR CC. This is workable, but makes the selection of individual X-T2
RAF files practically impossible. At best a workaround kludge which is time
consuming, or a blind import of all the X-T2 RAF files. The X-T2 does not
appear to be supported by iOS11, this is annoying considering the X-T2 was
released in April 2016. I shoot RAF+JPEG with RAF going to SD card slot #1,
and JPEGs to SD slot #2.

Here is what the connected X-T2 SD card screen looks like. The visible
preview is an in-camera processed jpeg.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q9egmza3kmxp5su/SC-101.png

This is what the X-T2 RAF looks like in the Camera Roll.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh9qe80qp74nt5l/SC-102.png

....and here is the succesfully synced X-T2 RAF in LR CC.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vyjd0kwy17yoj7/SC-103.png

I can see that I am probably going to have to use my ColorSpace UDMA for RAW
backup on-the-road, and the old mobile system for on-the-road editing and
sharing. That leaves RAW import into LR-C CC as something to do when I get
home.

Again, if you have sufficient bandwidth you can have those raws waiting for
you in Lightroom Classic CC when you get home.

I should have sufficient bandwidth to make the Tx/sync when at the on the
road homebase/residence/(h)(m)otel for RAW files. Otherwise, the purchased
broadband should be sufficient for JPEG sync, leaving the RAFs for home.


Yes, the Photography Plan includes only 20GB of cloud space and the
full plan includes 100GB. That's not a lot for people whose libraries
run to terabytes. Even me, an amateur with a terabyte library.
Additional space may be rented with the plan, up to 10GB, I believe it
is. The full plan with the stock 100GB is $50 per month. With 2 TB it's
$70 per month and with 10TB it's $150. The Photography Plan is $30 for
2TB, $110 for 10TB.

Does that 2TB for $30 include the cost of the basic Photography Plan?

Yes, the whole shebang, apps and cloud space. To see for yourself, log in to
your account at adobe.com, select Manage account, select Manage plan, then
select Switch plan. Then you will see the options. The Photography Plan is
the first item on the menu, or use the arrows to see the options for other
subscription type. Under the prospective plan select the amount of storage
you want in order to see pricing for various amounts of storage, from one to
10 TB.

Great!

I am more inclined to rent additional original plan storage.

If you're going to do that, i.e., if you are going to put more into the cloud
via Lightroom Classic CC, you *might* want to give further consideration to
how you could use Lightroom CC to optimize your use of the images in the
cloud.

OK! I am still in test mode, so I will see how that works out.

My advice: play with Lightroom CC, learn if it fits into your workflow.
Don't give up on it after the first hour. If it's not for you, you
haven't lost anything. Watch and see what it becomes in future. There's
always the possibility that it will become nothing at all, if users are
not ready for the cloud!

That is exactly what I am doing, and I intend to continue testing it.
However, for now I just cannot see myself clear to fully adopt, or even
integrate Lightroom CC into my workflow.

...but I am not going to throw it out just yet.

It might sound like I'm talking up, or shilling for, Lightroom CC. The
reality is that I do not know if it will be useful for me or not. At this
instant in time it is a solution seeking a problem. Tomorrow it could be
essential to me.

That is what I feel right know. I have my current preference for the original
workflow, but I don’t want to completely reject LR CC now, only to find
later that it is going to be a useful tool.

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Regards,
Savageduck

In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

I have a 17" MBP from April 2012 that can run the new Adobe CC apps well
enough!

My 17² MBP is of 2008 vintage. It is running a 2.93 GHz Core 2 Duo, with
4GB of DDR3, 500GB HDD, and it can go no further than OS X 10.5.8.

yes it can.

a 2008 macbook pro supports 10.11.

replace its hd with an ssd and it will actually run reasonably well.

or get something newer.