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"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in
news:caGBd.67965$QR1.63045@fed1read04: Perhaps you would prefer we remove him, and then disappear? Interesting strategy. I just say that you have to be consistent in your argumentation. If you want to stay there you cannot use Saddam as a motivation. /Roland |
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"Roland Karlsson" wrote in message ... "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in news:caGBd.67965$QR1.63045@fed1read04: Perhaps you would prefer we remove him, and then disappear? Interesting strategy. I just say that you have to be consistent in your argumentation. If you want to stay there you cannot use Saddam as a motivation. ?? We stay for many reasons, not the least of which is that the removal of Saddam necessitates the difficult process of establishing government in replacement of him. This is most certainly a part of why we stay. We cannot "continually" remove him, but his removal carries with it certain follow-up commitments...including the power vacuum that typically follows the removal of any dictator. |
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"The Dave©" wrote: Cynicor wrote: I don't think it's just that. In the US we're (unjustly, in my mind) sheltered from reality like that. There were plenty of pictures of people jumping from the WTC on 9-11, yet people in the US didn't see that. We didn't? I still have the NY Times from 9-12 that showed people jumping/falling. Ok, fine, *MOST* people in the US didn't see that. It was not on any of the network broadcasts that I watched, for example, nor was it in any of the west coast papers that I'm aware of. Many Europeans, especially in this newsgroup, commented on how those shots were shown over and over on television in their countries. If you choose to lose the point of the comment over an isolated exception, that's your choice, but the intent of the point still stands. Yes, yes I would. |
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"The Dave©" wrote in :
So, now that we've got him, are you suggesting that a full pull-out is in order so that their society can sink into utter chaos and civil war would be in order? How many people die then, and for what reason? No - reread what I wrote - I did not suggest anything at all, except that you cannot use Saddam as a motivation to be there. I fully understand the problem of withdraval. Chaos it will be. A thought though - if you cannot withdraw now - when can you do so? /Roland |
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"The Dave©" wrote in :
So, now that we've got him, are you suggesting that a full pull-out is in order so that their society can sink into utter chaos and civil war would be in order? How many people die then, and for what reason? No - reread what I wrote - I did not suggest anything at all, except that you cannot use Saddam as a motivation to be there. I fully understand the problem of withdraval. Chaos it will be. A thought though - if you cannot withdraw now - when can you do so? /Roland |
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"The Dave©" wrote in :
So, now that we've got him, are you suggesting that a full pull-out is in order so that their society can sink into utter chaos and civil war would be in order? How many people die then, and for what reason? No - reread what I wrote - I did not suggest anything at all, except that you cannot use Saddam as a motivation to be there. I fully understand the problem of withdraval. Chaos it will be. A thought though - if you cannot withdraw now - when can you do so? /Roland |
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"Zico" "Fletis Humplebacker" ! wrote in message ... "Mxsmanic" "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number writes: Thank you for posting this image. People need to understand the enormity of this tragedy, and if even it is posted on the cover of PLAYBOY...I would appreciate it, simply because people need to be confronted with REALity these days, rather than the candy-coated versions so many of these quasi-sensitive phonies insist upon. Thank you again for this link. I agree. This sort of image makes the magnitude of the disaster much easier to grasp. If someone needs a photo to grasp 120 thousand plus people dying something is missing. The experience ? ;-) No. If you need to experience a tsunami to understand 120+ thousand dead is truely horrible you are missing a soul. |
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"Zico" "Fletis Humplebacker" ! wrote in message ... "Mxsmanic" "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number writes: Thank you for posting this image. People need to understand the enormity of this tragedy, and if even it is posted on the cover of PLAYBOY...I would appreciate it, simply because people need to be confronted with REALity these days, rather than the candy-coated versions so many of these quasi-sensitive phonies insist upon. Thank you again for this link. I agree. This sort of image makes the magnitude of the disaster much easier to grasp. If someone needs a photo to grasp 120 thousand plus people dying something is missing. The experience ? ;-) No. If you need to experience a tsunami to understand 120+ thousand dead is truely horrible you are missing a soul. |
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Roland Karlsson wrote:
I just say that you have to be consistent in your argumentation. If you want to stay there you cannot use Saddam as a motivation. Any job is not finished until all the loose ends are tied up and accounted for and any residual effects are addressed. Do you wash the dishes after you eat? If so, why? The meal is done. An imperfect analogy, but an analogy nonetheless. There's 'clean-up' work to be done after a primary objective is accomplished, and that work requires time and effort, also. -- As long as Major League Baseball expects public funding for their facilities, and as long as they enjoy an added level of freedom of operation from an anti-trust exemption, then there is a public trust and public interest involved. IOW, they owe me. |
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"William Graham" "Fletis Humplebacker" If someone needs a photo to grasp 120 thousand plus people dying something is missing. But the photos can make it more real....When I was 10 years old, I went to the movies and saw a Movietone News clip of bull dozers pushing skeleton-like bodies into an open trench at a Nazi death camp.....That clip is still burned into my memory, and I am 69 years old today. No amount of words could ever replace that newsclip in my memory....... I agree with that but unless someone lives in a cage they've seen the video clips of the tsunami. I see the lesson about man's inhumanity to man a bit different than the unfortunant outcome of a natural disaster. The only thing learned here is that the world needs to get together with a warning system of some type. |
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