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larger formats being phased out ?
Is it true that medium and large format films
will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Thanks AL |
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Quest0029" wrote in message
... Is it true that medium and large format films will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Yeah, sure it's true. Bet your bottom dollar. Spend all your money on the Latest and Greatest DSLR available. Then do it again, over and over for the next ten years. Count your money at the end and come on back and ask again. Meanwhile, we are a happy bunch while your poor life is in some kind of catch-up limbo looking for a clue. |
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Digital cannot equal MF, let alone LF, so I'd bet that the 35mm will feel it
long before MF. I'm one of those who believe that only the current full-frame cams (Canon and Kodak) can equal *scanned* film, and can rival traditionally printed negative film. I guess I'm a retro-grouch. In the meantime, I'll continue to suffer with a Mamiya 7II. Oh, the agony of those huge negs and chromes! So heavy! "Quest0029" wrote in message ... Is it true that medium and large format films will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Thanks AL |
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Is it true that medium and large format films
will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? What makes you think that anyone here (or anywhere else for that matter) could possibly answer a question like that? Large format photography provides a lot of benefits but the ability to predict the future isn't one of them. "Quest0029" wrote in message ... Is it true that medium and large format films will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Thanks AL |
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rafe bustin wrote:
On 28 Dec 2004 00:32:54 GMT, (Quest0029) wrote: Is it true that medium and large format films will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Thanks AL I could argue this one either way. Pro: 35 mm has a huge installed base, and is used in disposable film cameras as well. Lots more of it in the market than MF or LF film. On that basis, it will live forever. Plus I know lots of "old folks" who just like their film cameras. Many aren't that computer literate, don't like the shutter lag most P&S digitals have and since they use MAYBE 1-2 rolls a film a year, there isn't enough money spent on film to save anything. Con: Digital capture will replace 35 mm well before it replaces MF or LF. Lots of 35 mm SLRs and even nice Point & Shoot cameras are probably being quietly retired these days. I think as time goes on people will be buying digital rather than film P&S cameras, especially the younger generations who want to e-mail pictures etc. Still like you said, there is a large installed base of film cameras so can't see film going away anytime real soon. -- Stacey |
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"Stacey" wrote in message ... rafe bustin wrote: On 28 Dec 2004 00:32:54 GMT, (Quest0029) wrote: Is it true that medium and large format films will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Thanks AL I could argue this one either way. Pro: 35 mm has a huge installed base, and is used in disposable film cameras as well. Lots more of it in the market than MF or LF film. On that basis, it will live forever. Plus I know lots of "old folks" who just like their film cameras. Many aren't that computer literate, don't like the shutter lag most P&S digitals have and since they use MAYBE 1-2 rolls a film a year, there isn't enough money spent on film to save anything. Con: Digital capture will replace 35 mm well before it replaces MF or LF. Lots of 35 mm SLRs and even nice Point & Shoot cameras are probably being quietly retired these days. I think as time goes on people will be buying digital rather than film P&S cameras, especially the younger generations who want to e-mail pictures etc. Still like you said, there is a large installed base of film cameras so can't see film going away anytime real soon. Perhaps if the 1-hr processing labs begins to target digital processing over film processing at a more favourable charge-out rate, we may begin to see the demise of film (esp 35mm) at the consumer level. Cheers. |
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Stacey wrote:
Plus I know lots of "old folks" who just like their film cameras. Many aren't that computer literate, don't like the shutter lag most P&S digitals have and since they use MAYBE 1-2 rolls a film a year, there isn't enough money spent on film to save anything. At one to two rolls a year, they aren't going to keep the businesses making film in business. As I and many others have pointed out in this NG, the major profits for the film companies were in industrial/commercial products, such as photolithography, medical and dental X-ray, etc., etc. All this either has or is rapidly converting to digital. I like my film cameras too, and as I just got a Nikon 9000 scanner, I hope that film (both 120/220 and 35mm) will continue to be available for a few more years. But I suspect that by 2010, my film scanner, my FM3A, and my Mamiya 7II will be relics, about on a par with my Intel 286-based computer (now resting in a landfill somewhere). Tim Smith |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:57:39 -0500, Stacey wrote:
rafe bustin wrote: On 28 Dec 2004 00:32:54 GMT, (Quest0029) wrote: Is it true that medium and large format films will be the first to go and that 35mm will continue long after they have gone? Thanks AL I could argue this one either way. Pro: 35 mm has a huge installed base, and is used in disposable film cameras as well. Lots more of it in the market than MF or LF film. On that basis, it will live forever. Plus I know lots of "old folks" who just like their film cameras. Many aren't that computer literate, don't like the shutter lag most P&S digitals have and since they use MAYBE 1-2 rolls a film a year, there isn't enough money spent on film to save anything. Con: Digital capture will replace 35 mm well before it replaces MF or LF. Lots of 35 mm SLRs and even nice Point & Shoot cameras are probably being quietly retired these days. I think as time goes on people will be buying digital rather than film P&S cameras, especially the younger generations who want to e-mail pictures etc. Still like you said, there is a large installed base of film cameras so can't see film going away anytime real soon. Market forces will answer the OP's question. And 35mm film profits are taken from a very diverse market. I'd guess MF film profits are 90% from pros vs 10% from consumer/hobbyists/ noncommercial. 35mm is... probably much more complicated. Each of these market segments may have their own multi-variable take on the film/digital thing. Digital capture will need to get a *whole* lot better and cheaper before it kills off either MF or LF film. Eg., ad agencies will insist on a reasonable level of quality at any cost. There is OTOH a general cultural tilt towards immediacy and away from "classical" notions of quality which bode ill for the larger film formats. Does f64 appeal to Gen X or Gen Y? Does it matter? Vast profits to be made selling miles of 35mm to the masses. But the folks who still *need* LF/MF are from the commercial/corporate world, and there's good money there, too -- for now. rafe b. http://www.terrapinphoto.com |
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Tim Smith wrote:
Stacey wrote: Plus I know lots of "old folks" who just like their film cameras. Many aren't that computer literate, don't like the shutter lag most P&S digitals have and since they use MAYBE 1-2 rolls a film a year, there isn't enough money spent on film to save anything. At one to two rolls a year, they aren't going to keep the businesses making film in business. Given the millions of film camera users that do use 1-2 rolls a year, that's still a lot of film. These types of people buy WAY more of the film than "power users" do. Think about how many disposable cameras are sold (isn't most film sold as disposables?) and how few of these each user buys in a year. But I suspect that by 2010, my film scanner, my FM3A, and my Mamiya 7II will be relics, about on a par with my Intel 286-based computer (now resting in a landfill somewhere). Maybe the scanner but I highly doubt film will disappear in 5 years. I suspect my newest OM E300 digital will be a relic long before my rolleicord is! -- Stacey |
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