Medium format increases size while DSLRs languish

Bruce wrote:
"bino" wrote:

Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers want out
of a total camera system.


Perhaps the author felt that the most significant early 35mm SLR was:

15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954


Quoting from Camerapedia:

"The 1954 Asahiflex IIb is often credited for being the first SLR with
an instant return mirror."

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Asahiflex

Then it belongs on a list of the most innovative. That's not
quite the same as "top".

--
--- Paul J. Gans

Paul J Gans wrote:

bino wrote:
"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news
Paul J Gans wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

"Shutterbug" mag just completed a four-issue series on
"The Top Twenty Cameras Of All Time".

Please tell us the top 20. Thanks.

1. The Kodak - 1888
2. Kodak Brownie - 1900
3. Leica A - 1925
4. Kine Exacta I - 1936
5. Leica D (Or II) - 1932
6. Polaroid 95 - 1948
7. Kodac CSuper Six-20 - 1938
8. Minolta Maxxum 78000 - 1985
9. Konica C35AF - 1979
10. Leica M3 - 1954
11. Rolleiflex (Original Model) - 1929
12. Hasselblad 1600F - 1948
13. Contax S - 1949
14. Sony Mavica - 1981
15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954
16. Zeiss Contax II - 1936
17. Rolleiflex Automat - 1937
18. Hansa Canon - 1935
19. Reflex-Korelle - 1935
20. Kodak Instamatic 100 - 1963

As I said, this was a four-issue series. The current month's article is
on on their web site yet, but the first three (reverse countdown from
#20)
are. In order from #20 through #6:

http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0508classic/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0708classic/


It would be interesting to know what they mean by "top".

Not at all surprisingly, that is discussed in the author's first paragraph
of the first installment.


Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers want out
of a total camera system.

That's what I was thinking. And any list of "top" cameras that
lists the Kodak Instamatic 100 must have a strange meaning for
"top".

Once mo why not actually *read* the actual author's actual criteria?
Good Christ, people.


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Paul J Gans wrote:
Bruce wrote:
bino wrote:

Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing
the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers
want out of a total camera system.

Perhaps the author felt that the most significant early 35mm SLR was:

15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954

Quoting from Camerapedia:

"The 1954 Asahiflex IIb is often credited for being the first SLR with
an instant return mirror."

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Asahiflex

Then it belongs on a list of the most innovative. That's not
quite the same as "top".

Everything you need to read to understand what's going on is on the first
page - http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/

Wilba wrote:

Paul J Gans wrote:
Bruce wrote:
bino wrote:

Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing
the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers
want out of a total camera system.

Perhaps the author felt that the most significant early 35mm SLR was:

15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954

Quoting from Camerapedia:

"The 1954 Asahiflex IIb is often credited for being the first SLR with
an instant return mirror."

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Asahiflex

Then it belongs on a list of the most innovative. That's not
quite the same as "top".

Everything you need to read to understand what's going on is on the first
page - http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/

There seems to be quite a bit of resistance to actually reading any of it.


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Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
Bruce wrote:
bino wrote:

Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing
the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers
want out of a total camera system.

Perhaps the author felt that the most significant early 35mm SLR was:

15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954

Quoting from Camerapedia:

"The 1954 Asahiflex IIb is often credited for being the first SLR with
an instant return mirror."

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Asahiflex

Then it belongs on a list of the most innovative. That's not
quite the same as "top".

Everything you need to read to understand what's going on is on the first
page -
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/

There seems to be quite a bit of resistance to actually reading any of it.


When you're vastly more knowledgeable and credible than "a world-recognized
expert on Classic Cameras", you don't need to understand what they're saying
to heap **** on them. :-)

Wilba wrote:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
Bruce wrote:
bino wrote:

Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing
the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers
want out of a total camera system.

Perhaps the author felt that the most significant early 35mm SLR was:

15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954

Quoting from Camerapedia:

"The 1954 Asahiflex IIb is often credited for being the first SLR with
an instant return mirror."

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Asahiflex

Then it belongs on a list of the most innovative. That's not
quite the same as "top".

Everything you need to read to understand what's going on is on the first
page -
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/

There seems to be quite a bit of resistance to actually reading any of it.


When you're vastly more knowledgeable and credible than "a world-recognized
expert on Classic Cameras", you don't need to understand what they're saying
to heap **** on them. :-)

Well, that's interesting. I asked what the criterion was for "top"
and instead of simply posting an answer, we've had a fair number
of posts indicating that the asker of questions is some sort of
idiot.

Perhaps I am. You see, I don't care enough to spend any time
looking anything up on the net. My curiousity was piqued because
of the wide variety of cameras on the list -- and some few were
rather bad cameras.

Beyond that, my interest is very limited.

--
--- Paul J. Gans

Paul J Gans wrote:

Wilba wrote:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
Bruce wrote:
bino wrote:

Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing
the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers
want out of a total camera system.

Perhaps the author felt that the most significant early 35mm SLR was:

15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954

Quoting from Camerapedia:

"The 1954 Asahiflex IIb is often credited for being the first SLR with
an instant return mirror."

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Asahiflex

Then it belongs on a list of the most innovative. That's not
quite the same as "top".

Everything you need to read to understand what's going on is on the first
page -
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/

There seems to be quite a bit of resistance to actually reading any of it.


When you're vastly more knowledgeable and credible than "a world-recognized
expert on Classic Cameras", you don't need to understand what they're saying
to heap **** on them. :-)

Well, that's interesting. I asked what the criterion was for "top"
and instead of simply posting an answer, we've had a fair number
of posts indicating that the asker of questions is some sort of
idiot.

The answer was in the intro to the article. Why should anyone reinvent
the wheel. Go read it.

Perhaps I am. You see, I don't care enough to spend any time looking
anything up on the net. My curiousity was piqued because of the wide
variety of cameras on the list -- and some few were rather bad cameras.

Beyond that, my interest is very limited.

Then it shouldn't matter that you didn't get spoon fed the answer that you
had not the interest to click a provided link to see.


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On 2008-07-17 09:06:03 -0700, "bino" said:

"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news
Paul J Gans wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

"Shutterbug" mag just completed a four-issue series on
"The Top Twenty Cameras Of All Time".

Please tell us the top 20. Thanks.

1. The Kodak - 1888
2. Kodak Brownie - 1900
3. Leica A - 1925
4. Kine Exacta I - 1936
5. Leica D (Or II) - 1932
6. Polaroid 95 - 1948
7. Kodac CSuper Six-20 - 1938
8. Minolta Maxxum 78000 - 1985
9. Konica C35AF - 1979
10. Leica M3 - 1954
11. Rolleiflex (Original Model) - 1929
12. Hasselblad 1600F - 1948
13. Contax S - 1949
14. Sony Mavica - 1981
15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954
16. Zeiss Contax II - 1936
17. Rolleiflex Automat - 1937
18. Hansa Canon - 1935
19. Reflex-Korelle - 1935
20. Kodak Instamatic 100 - 1963

As I said, this was a four-issue series. The current month's article is
on on their web site yet, but the first three (reverse countdown from #20)
are. In order from #20 through #6:

http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0508classic/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0708classic/


It would be interesting to know what they mean by "top".

Not at all surprisingly, that is discussed in the author's first paragraph
of the first installment.


Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing
the Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers
want out of a total camera system.

Perhaps. The Nikon F certainly does, IMNSHI, meet the criteria set by
the author. If pressed, however, I would be hard put to say which of
the cameras that actually made the list I would remove for the sake of
the Nikon. He makes outstanding arguments for all of them. My guess is
he had a very tough time narrowing the list down to 20. I could see the
Minox B begging for a spot, too.

Yes, the Asahiflex II was the first widely available autofocus camera,
but even the author admits that Nikon F AF came before it. So I would
say that of the list so far, the inclusion of the Asahiflex is the
weakest. I am not sure the Hansa Canon belongs, either, its biggest
innovation being the first high quality Japanese camera and also that
it was built and sold as a joint project between Canon and Nikon. But
hey, it is his list...
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2008-07-18 09:12:42 -0700, Paul J Gans said:

bino wrote:
"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news
Paul J Gans wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

"Shutterbug" mag just completed a four-issue series on
"The Top Twenty Cameras Of All Time".

Please tell us the top 20. Thanks.

1. The Kodak - 1888
2. Kodak Brownie - 1900
3. Leica A - 1925
4. Kine Exacta I - 1936
5. Leica D (Or II) - 1932
6. Polaroid 95 - 1948
7. Kodac CSuper Six-20 - 1938
8. Minolta Maxxum 78000 - 1985
9. Konica C35AF - 1979
10. Leica M3 - 1954
11. Rolleiflex (Original Model) - 1929
12. Hasselblad 1600F - 1948
13. Contax S - 1949
14. Sony Mavica - 1981
15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954
16. Zeiss Contax II - 1936
17. Rolleiflex Automat - 1937
18. Hansa Canon - 1935
19. Reflex-Korelle - 1935
20. Kodak Instamatic 100 - 1963

As I said, this was a four-issue series. The current month's article is
on on their web site yet, but the first three (reverse countdown from
#20)
are. In order from #20 through #6:

http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0508classic/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0708classic/


It would be interesting to know what they mean by "top".

Not at all surprisingly, that is discussed in the author's first paragraph
of the first installment.


Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers want out
of a total camera system.

That's what I was thinking. And any list of "top" cameras that
lists the Kodak Instamatic 100 must have a strange meaning for
"top".

It is hard to argue with the Instamatic 100 being one of the most
influential cameras of all time. As the author notes, it was widely
copied and expanded upon by many camera companies all over the world.
There were even SLR versions. It would be tough to imagine anyone over
50 in this group who never owned an Instamatic. Even so, it was not as
influential as the Brownie (which most of us over-50 types probably
also owned a variant). IIANM, the 126 format was still the most widely
selling film in the world even into the late '70s or early '80s -- even
more than 35mm.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news
Paul J Gans wrote:

bino wrote:
"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
news Paul J Gans wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
Wilba wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

"Shutterbug" mag just completed a four-issue series on
"The Top Twenty Cameras Of All Time".

Please tell us the top 20. Thanks.

1. The Kodak - 1888
2. Kodak Brownie - 1900
3. Leica A - 1925
4. Kine Exacta I - 1936
5. Leica D (Or II) - 1932
6. Polaroid 95 - 1948
7. Kodac CSuper Six-20 - 1938
8. Minolta Maxxum 78000 - 1985
9. Konica C35AF - 1979
10. Leica M3 - 1954
11. Rolleiflex (Original Model) - 1929
12. Hasselblad 1600F - 1948
13. Contax S - 1949
14. Sony Mavica - 1981
15. Asahiflex IIB - 1954
16. Zeiss Contax II - 1936
17. Rolleiflex Automat - 1937
18. Hansa Canon - 1935
19. Reflex-Korelle - 1935
20. Kodak Instamatic 100 - 1963

As I said, this was a four-issue series. The current month's article
is
on on their web site yet, but the first three (reverse countdown from
#20)
are. In order from #20 through #6:

http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...cal/0408top20/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0508classic/
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...l/0708classic/


It would be interesting to know what they mean by "top".

Not at all surprisingly, that is discussed in the author's first
paragraph
of the first installment.


Regardless of the criteria, the list makes a huge gaff in not listing the
Nikon F. That camera system defines to this day what photographers want
out
of a total camera system.

That's what I was thinking. And any list of "top" cameras that
lists the Kodak Instamatic 100 must have a strange meaning for
"top".

Once mo why not actually *read* the actual author's actual criteria?
Good Christ, people.


And as I said, I did read it. And as I said, also, the only reason the
Nikon F isn't on the list is because its uniqueness was in the entire
system. Still, it's not much of a stretch to say the F has been hugely
influential in the world of photography.