I thought 35mm is a Film Camera

Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are Digital topics.
Film cameras are still around even Nikon recently introduced the New F6. Maybe we should let film live for awhile longer, and not kill it before it's time.

Helge

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"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" writes:

Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm
Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are Digital
topics.

It's almost as annoying as posting lines that don't wrap properly.

Actually, this is rec.photo.equipment.35mm, so any equipment for 35mm
photos is okay for discussion. Digital cameras are, as you point out, off
topic. The excuse I've been given is that the digital camera newsgroups
have no one available with the expertise of those who read and post
here. Hence, digital users who want to learn how to use their digital
cameras post here with questions.

However, once the camel got its nose into the tent, the hump soon
followed, and this newsgroup has become an extension of rec.photo.digital.
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Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com wrote:
Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for
35mm Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here
are Digital topics. Film cameras are still around even Nikon recently
introduced the New F6. Maybe we should let film live for awhile
longer, and not kill it before it's time.

Helge

This is an equipment newsgroup not a film newsgroup. Much of the
equipment used in the higher end digital cameras are the exact same
equipment used on 35mm film cameras. Other equipment if very close and
shares many of the same issues.

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Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

The question is probably not that simple with respect to off-topic posts.
For example, I currently own a Canon EF 28-135 IS lens that I bought and
used on my Canon Elan 7E camera, 35mm film camera, for several years. I no
longer own that camera. I now own a Canon EOS 10D, a digital camera. Are
questions regarding my lens now suddenly inappropriate to this group? In
fact, my Canon EOS 10D accepts a wide variety of lenses and uses many of the
same accessories that fit my Elan 7E. Can I no longer ask for a
recommendation for a tripod, backpack, light meter, flash head or other
device or ask detailed questions about DOF, FOV, Circles of confusion,
etc.., because my camera, which operates similarly to and looks strikingly
similar to a 35mm SLR, uses a sensor instead of a roll of film?

When I was using film, I had each roll processed, then used a film scanner
convert the negatives and slides to digital files so that they could be
adjusted in Photoshop and printed on an ink-jet printer. Are questions about
achieving certain effects now off-topic because I changed cameras? Were they
off-topic when I was using film? Isn't a film scanner and a computer "35mm
photographic equipment" when used to make prints from 35mm film? Has it
changed because the digital image originates from a CMOS sensor in my camera
instead of a CCD in my scanner?

Are "film cameras" that are "still around" the only category of items that
fit into the definition of 35mm photographic equipment? I for one, think
not.

On a more practical note, I think that this particular forum is probably one
of the best repositories of information on photography. Does it really
bother you that people ask questions about and discuss photographic subjects
that aren't strictly limited to 35mm film cameras? It would be easy to drop
an "OT" reminder on every thread that starts with a request to visit a
gallery, every thread that involves critique of images submitted to the
"Shoot In," every thread that posts a link to a photo and every thread about
any piece of equipment that the author didn't certify was actually attached
to a film SLR or Rangefinder at some point as opposed to a digital SLR or
Rangefinder. Some of the members of this group frequently remind that a post
is off topic and then post links to photos that they like.

As long as the topic is related to 35mm photography in some way and isn't
mere trolling, why would you care that it didn't discuss the new Nikon F6?

Eric Miller


"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" wrote in message
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Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm
Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are Digital
topics.
Film cameras are still around even Nikon recently introduced the New F6.
Maybe we should let film live for awhile longer, and not kill it before it's
time.

Helge

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"Phil Stripling" wrote in message
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"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" writes:

Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm
Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are
Digital
topics.

It's almost as annoying as posting lines that don't wrap properly.

This may have happen because he posted via a forum and not directly to this
NG.

Actually, this is rec.photo.equipment.35mm, so any equipment for 35mm
photos is okay for discussion. Digital cameras are, as you point out, off
topic. The excuse I've been given is that the digital camera newsgroups
have no one available with the expertise of those who read and post
here. Hence, digital users who want to learn how to use their digital
cameras post here with questions.

How unfortunate it is that no one in rec.photo.digital has the necessary
skills to help DI users. :-(

However, once the camel got its nose into the tent, the hump soon
followed, and this newsgroup has become an extension of rec.photo.digital.

Yes and that's really improved the quality of the posts hasn't it?
*******ization of a fine NG if you ask me.

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Film best,
me

"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" wrote in message
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Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm
Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are Digital
topics.
Film cameras are still around even Nikon recently introduced the New F6.
Maybe we should let film live for awhile longer, and not kill it before
it's time.

Helge

I love slide film photography, and agree that it will last quite a while
longer, but there is one really great thing about the digital guys art. You
can send the pics over the internet to other people, and see their photos
without a lot of hasstle. Even if you have to scan the film or slides into
your computer first, this is something that simple film never had going for
it. I am more than willing to accept a certain amount of digital talk on
this newsgroup just because of that fact alone. Also, there is a lot of
things in common with both kinds of photography. they both use lenses, and
everyone would agree that lenses are the most important part of ones
equipment. Also, they both involve getting there, and waiting for the right
light/circumstances before you can take the picture. they both use tripods,
camera bags, batteries, and a lot of other extraneous equipment. And 95% of
digital cameras are approximately the same size as 35 mm cameras, and have
similar problems with their use. Many of us film guys also have digitals,
and/or aspire to buy them. They can satisfy the same needs as the old
polaroid backs did in days of yore. I really think the two types of
photography are emminately compatible.

"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" wrote in message
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Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm
Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are
Digital topics.

Damned if I know. Seems some people just can't read.

Film cameras are still around even Nikon recently introduced
the New F6. Maybe we should let film live for awhile longer, and
not kill it before it's time.

The people who want to kill it are called Digital Dullards®. A term I coined
to describe that group of cretins.

Helge

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Please post directly to this NG if possible, TIA.
Film best,
me

I'm confused, this is "rec.photo.equipment.35mm" so I just got to this Web site www.PhotoKB.com, and thought I found something New. So this site is somehow linked to the rec.photo News Group.
Sorry for my Dumb suggestion, everyone's put me in my Place "I surrender peacefully".

So if I go and connect to this NG in my News Reader I'll find my message?
I'm going to check this out not that I don't beleive you just have to do it. Bye

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"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" wrote:

Not to be annoying but I gather that this discussion group is for 35mm Camera discussions, how come the majority of discussions here are Digital topics.
Film cameras are still around even Nikon recently introduced the New F6. Maybe we should let film live for awhile longer, and not kill it before it's time.

Helge

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A few of us are not supportive of discussions about digital SLRs, or even digital P&S cameras. The unfortunate series of events in the recent history of this
NG is that several regular posters went digital. After doing so, they have taken it upon themselves to tell the whole NG how wonderful there all digital
experience is, and how others should follow their example. Despite complaints that crop up from time to time, this practice has now become so common, that
digital SLR discussions are abundant.

One predominant argument for those discussions was that rec.photo.digital is/was a lame group with too many newbies. The newly owning digital SLR buyers
viewed themselves as above the newbie digital P&S users, and wanted to retain interaction with (perceived) more knowledgeable 35 mm film cameras users on this
NG.

While I have answered some PhotoShop questions, and even interacted briefly on a few discussions about digital imaging, I largely feel the same as you
indicated, in that this should be a film camera group. To those that might feel a need to change my opinion, check out my past posts on this same matter . . .
I will not bend to my opinion, and I feel entitled to it.

Regardless of the percentage of direct digital imaging posts, there are some good discussions on this NG. I hope you stay around, and feel free to ask
questions, and interact. Just pass by the digital discussions when those do not interest you.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com

"Helge Buddenborg via PhotoKB.com" wrote in message
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I'm confused, this is "rec.photo.equipment.35mm"
so I just got to this Web site www.PhotoKB.com, and thought
I found something New. So this site is somehow linked to the rec.photo
News Group.
Sorry for my Dumb suggestion, everyone's put me in my Place "I surrender
peacefully".

Not dumb, enlightened! Never surrender!

So if I go and connect to this NG in my News Reader I'll find my message?
I'm going to check this out not that I don't beleive you just have to do
it. Bye
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Good Luck!
Film best,
me