My Hopes for the iPhone 12 Max

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:50:15 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

Basically an iPhone version of the Galaxy Note 20 Ultra.

Then just buy the Note 20.

Hi JF Mezei.

Facts.
o It's what adults base their assessments upon.

In general, iPhone specs are usually destroyed by high-end Android specs.
o Let's see how these two phones compare, by hardware specs alone.

There is no chance any iPhone can compete on app functionality
but let's look solely at hardware functionality between the two.
o Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 5G vs Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-S20-Ultra-5G,Apple-iPhone-12-Pro-Max/phones/11288,11331

Ordered in the same sequence but with the "better" spec listed first
o Let's see a side-by-side FACTUAL comparison of the hardware specs.

1. Size: S20 6.9" is larger than iPhone 12 Max at 6.7"
2. Resolution: S20 3200 x 1440 pixels is better than iPhone at 2778 x 1284
3. Pixels per inch: S20 at 509 PPI is better than iPhone at 458 PPI
4. S20 at Dynamic AMOLED is likely better than iPhone at OLED (probably)
5. S20 at 90.70% screen to body is better than iPhone at 87.45%
6. S20 at 120 refresh rate is "probably" better than iPhone at (what?)
7. Both have HDR video support
8. Both have scratch-resistant glass (S20 is Corning Gorilla Glass 6)
9. Both have an ambient light & proximity sensor
10. CPU for S20 is Qualcomm Snapdragon 865 SM825 while iPhone is A14 Bionic
11. The S20 SOC has 8 cores while the iPhone is only six cores
12. The S20 GPU is Adreno 650 while the iPhone is only listed as "yes"
13. The S20 RAM kills the iPhone at 12GB versus a paltry iPhone 6GB
14. The S20 is 128 GB storage while the iPhone is 128GB (not expandable)
15. The S20 is expandable to an additional 1TB; the iphone doesn't have it
16. The S20 is Android 10; the iPhone is simply listed as "iOS"
17. The S20 main cameria is listed as 108 MP; the iOS camera is at 64 MP
18. There are opther S20 camera specs but none to compare for the iPhone
19. Both fourth camera's are listed as "ToF 3D depth sensing"
20. The S20 is listed as 7680x4320 (8K UHD) (24 fps) which iPhone lacks
21. The S20 and iPhone both have 3840x2160 (4K UHD) (60 fps)
22. The S20 is listed as 1920x1080 (Full HD) (240 fps); not the iPhone
23. The S20 is listed as 1280x720 (HD) (960 fps); not the iPhone
24. The S20 is listed as "OIS, HDR, Time-lapse video, EIS"; not the iPhone
25. The S20 front camera is listed as 40 MP (PDAF, HDR), the iPhone at 12MP
26. They're both IP 68 for water & dust
27. The iPhone is listed as 3D Face unlock; the S20 at 2D face unlock
28. The S20 is listed at Ultrasonic in-screen fingerprint; the iPhone lacks
29. The S20 is LTE-A Pro Cat 20 (2000/150 Mbit/s); the iPhone LTE-A
30. Both are HSDPA+ (4G) 42.2 Mbit/s & HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s
31. The iPhone is listed as Nano SIM, eSIM; the S20 only as Nano SIM
32. The S20 has an FM hardware radio; the iPhone lacks this functionality
33. Both are WiFi 802.11 a, b, g, n, ac, ax (Wi-Fi 6)
34. Both are dual-band; MIMO, Wi-Fi Direct, Hotspot
35. The S20 has OTG while the iPhone lacks this basic functionality
36. The sensors are about the same (AFAICT)

That's pretty much it.
o There are about 3 dozen side-by-side hardware comparison specs.

Whom do you think wins overall?
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The Apologists are driven solely by MARKETING; not by actual facts.

In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:

Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 5G vs Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max

there is no such thing as an apple iphone 12 pro max, therefore the
entire comparison is meaningless.

11. The S20 SOC has 8 cores while the iPhone is only six cores

yet existing iphones are faster, and whatever will be announced in a
month or so faster still.

16. The S20 is Android 10; the iPhone is simply listed as "iOS"

the next iphone will launch with ios 14.

14 10.

17. The S20 main cameria is listed as 108 MP; the iOS camera is at 64 MP

the s20 is a pixel-binned 12 megapixel sensor.

https://www.talkandroid.com/347645-s...8mp-sensor-use
s-91-pixel-binning-for-ultimate-12mp-photos/
The trick with these sensors, though, is that they are not true
48/64/108MP sensors, but in fact pixel-binned; meaning multiple
pixels are combined into one to create a lower-resolution image
composed of higher-quality pixels individually. This also means all
phones with these sensors which offer 48/64/108MP photo modes
are in fact just upscaling the binned image.

27. The iPhone is listed as 3D Face unlock; the S20 at 2D face unlock

the samsung can easily be spoofed with nothing more than a photo,
making it completely worthless.

samsung knows this, therefore it disallows face unlock for financial
transactions.

apple's face id is *extremely* secure in comparison.

28. The S20 is listed at Ultrasonic in-screen fingerprint; the iPhone lacks

the samsung can easily be spoofed with adhesive tape, making it
worthless. it's also slow and often requires several tries to properly
read a finger.

samsung did fix their massive ****up where simply adding a screen
protector allowed any fingerprint from any finger to unlock.

32. The S20 has an FM hardware radio; the iPhone lacks this functionality

iphones very definitely has that functionality, and from nearly any fm
station on the planet, along with am, atc, police, fire and many more.

In article ,
Arlen Holder wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:50:15 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

Basically an iPhone version of the Galaxy Note 20 Ultra.

Then just buy the Note 20.

Hi JF Mezei.

Facts.
o It's what adults base their assessments upon.

In general, iPhone specs are usually destroyed by high-end Android specs.
o Let's see how these two phones compare, by hardware specs alone.

There is no chance any iPhone can compete on app functionality
but let's look solely at hardware functionality between the two.
o Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 5G vs Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...tra-5G,Apple-i
Phone-12-Pro-Max/phones/11288,11331

Ordered in the same sequence but with the "better" spec listed first
o Let's see a side-by-side FACTUAL comparison of the hardware specs.

interesting that phonearena can do comparisions with phones not even
published! And Arlen wants to sell that to us apologists as FACTS! Go
figure...

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:36:53 +0200, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:

interesting that phonearena can do comparisions with phones not even
published! And Arlen wants to sell that to us apologists as FACTS! Go
figure...

Hi Andreas Rutishauser,

I realize you're a Type II apologist, Andreas Rutishauser...
o Hence, it's likely impossible for you to carry on an adult conversation

However, given you're not Type III... given the benefit of the doubt...
o Where is the comparison of what you claim is the equivalent two phones?

Tell us, Andreas? Hardware... to hardware...
o How does your vaunted iPhone choice compare with the stated Samsung!
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Note: I expect silence because apologists always fail when asked for facts.

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 01:31:00 -0400, nospam wrote:

yet existing iphones are faster, and whatever will be announced in a
month or so faster still.

FACTS:

Every time you try to bull**** us, nospam, on iPhone so-called "speed",
I'm simply going to remind you that Apple has added throttling to EVERY
official iOS release since iOS 10 (i.e., iOS 10, iOS 11, iOS 12, & iOS 13).

That's a fact.
o You may _hate_ the fact of what Apple is & does; but it's still a fact.

Hence, you can just about cut in half any recent iPhone benchmark claim to
be realistic to actual benchmark performance garnered in the real world.
--
Throttling is a fact despite the fact you deny all facts you don't like.

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:26:33 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:

Do either of them make telephone calls?

A phone has become a computer.

Both ecosystems do the basics rather well.

Where iOS excels is in MARKETING of imaginary functionality
o Where Android excels in, is in functionality.

The other key difference is the Apple customer base is extremely gullible.
o In fact, the infantile gullibility of Apple owners shocks belief.

Their utter gullibility is the reason, IMHO, for Apple's huge profits.
o You can't make all that profit off of an intelligent customer base.

The key difference is Apple customers tend to believe only in MARKETING BS
o Whereas Android customers steer toward intelligent price to performance.

For example, ask almost any iPhone owner and they'll claim the cameras are
"better" and yet, an iPhone is only sporadically even in the top dozen at
any given time frame, and often not at all.

To prove that fact, let's simply take a look, today, of the top dozen:
o https://www.dxomark.com/category/smartphone-reviews/

*Only after the 13th phone, does iPhone QOR even _begin_ to register:*
o 130 Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra
o 128 Huawei P40 Pro
o 125 Honor 30 Pro+
o 124 Oppo Find X2 Pro
o 124 Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro
o 123 Huawei Mate 30 Pro 5G
o 122 Honor V30 Pro
o 122 Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra
o 121 Xiaomi Mi CC9 Pro Premium Edition
o 121 Huawei Mate 30 Pro
o 120 Xiaomi Redmi K30 Pro Zoom Edition
o 119 OnePlus 8 Pro
o 118 Samsung Galaxy S20+

*Only after the 13th phone, does iPhone QOR even _begin_ to register:*
o 117 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+
o 117 Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G
o 117 *Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max*

These are facts the Apple owners _hate_ because they hate what Apple is.
o They only want to believe what (stellar) MARKETING told them Apple was.
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Apple makes a LOT of profit off of its shockingly gullible customer base.

In article , Paul Carmichael
wrote:

o Let's see how these two phones compare, by hardware specs alone.


Do either of them make telephone calls?

yes

In article ,
Arlen Holder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:36:53 +0200, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:

interesting that phonearena can do comparisions with phones not even
published! And Arlen wants to sell that to us apologists as FACTS! Go
figure...

Tell us, Andreas? Hardware... to hardware...
o How does your vaunted iPhone choice compare with the stated Samsung!

well, you snipped the link you posted yourself.
It is you who claimed that a non existent (at least to the public)
iPhone is comparable to another smartphone.

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...20-Ultra-5G,Ap
ple-iPhone-12-Pro-Max/phones/11288,11331

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:08:45 +0200, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:

well, you snipped the link you posted yourself.
It is you who claimed that a non existent (at least to the public)
iPhone is comparable to another smartphone.

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...20-Ultra-5G,Ap
ple-iPhone-12-Pro-Max/phones/11288,11331

Hi Andreas Rutishauser,

You're an apologist... so you _hate_ what Apple is, based on facts.
o You only want to believe in what MARKETING claims Apple was.

Hence, you're literally _afraid_ of facts about Apple products.
o All you apologists fear facts about Apple products.

I realize quite clearly you're deathly afraid of Apple hardware facts.
o So petrified, in fact, that you appear to _hate_ what Apple is.

You're literally afraid to compare _any_ iPhone to the stated Samsung.
o You're that petrified of what that fact will instantly point out.

Tell us, Andreas? Hardware... to hardware...
o *How does _any_ vaunted iPhone choice compare with the stated Samsung?*

HINT: The given Android phone _destroys_ any iPhone on the planet both on
hardware and on applications, which is my key point, which, clearly
petrifies Andreas to the extent that he can't answer that simple question.

Andreas is so _afraid_ of the facts, he can't answer the simple question.
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Note: I expect silence because apologists always fail when asked for facts.

In article ,
Arlen Holder wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:08:45 +0200, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:

well, you snipped the link you posted yourself.
It is you who claimed that a non existent (at least to the public)
iPhone is comparable to another smartphone.

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...20-Ultra-5G,Ap
ple-iPhone-12-Pro-Max/phones/11288,11331

Tell us, Andreas? Hardware... to hardware...
o *How does _any_ vaunted iPhone choice compare with the stated Samsung?*

the case in question ia iPhone 12 Max
I can't compare an iPhone 12 Max to any smartphone, as the iPhone 12 Max
does not exist, I can't even vaunt it.
It needs a superhero like Arlen to compare fictive smartphones and sll
is as FACTS.
Normally I'd call such a person a liar.