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The D7300 could be a D500 on a Budget
In article 2017030907342049474-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: On 2017-03-09 10:55:12 +0000, Noons said: On 8/03/2017 7:22 @wiz, RichA wrote: Not only I'm going mirrorless, I'm also going shutterless. Currently testing the electronic shutter of the Olympus E-M1 II. Pretty cool feature - no moving parts at all, zero shot-induced vibrations. So far it seems there is no noise or dynamic range penalty in using the electronic shutter. I use the electronic shutter as well in my EM5 II. It's good for just about everything except flash: if flash is on and activated, shutter won't fi needs to be proper shutter for that. But for everything else, it's constantly on in mine. And with it I can take up to 10 shots per second, which make for quite a nice near slow-mo at 4k if put together into a video with Corel Video Studio X7 and 5 images/sec Like everything in photography there is a time and place for using the electronic shutter. One should be aware that it is particularly vulnerable to the "rolling shutter effect" when shooting subjects at speed. Athletes on a track will have legs severely distorted to the point they will appear to have lost their feet. Car and bicycle wheels will looks as if they have been squashed into ovals. Propellor and rotor aircraft will show blade distortion. I discovered the "rolling shutter effect" for myself when thinking that the ES would be great for shooting hummingbirds in flight, it isn't. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSF3671C.jpg ...and a helicopter https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ands_Flyg_EC12 0B_Colibri.JPG/1280px-Jamtlands_Flyg_EC120B_Colibri.JPG That looks like a slit camera photo finish: http://www.horsenation.com/wp-conten...Seagull-in-a-p hoto-finish-at-the-Brighton-Races.png I saw a 4 second shot by one guy, pretty amazing what is possible today. Indeed! I tend to rest the right hand's thumb on my right temple and use my chest for the elbow of the left arm to form a kind of body tripod with the arms, head, chest and camera. With that, I can go well over 4secs and still get a reasonable shot. These cameras are amazing! Currently eyeing a EM1 II, still a bit expensive but it'll come down in price for sure. I can't get over how the EM5 II can get me very good shots of stars with a mirror lens and ISO at way up to 6400 and even more in a pinch! Unreal! That is a great ES application, as is shooting in locations where shutter noise could be distracting. -- teleportation kills |
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The D7300 could be a D500 on a Budget
On 2017-03-09 15:50:24 +0000, android said:
In article 2017030907342049474-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-03-09 10:55:12 +0000, Noons said: On 8/03/2017 7:22 @wiz, RichA wrote: Not only I'm going mirrorless, I'm also going shutterless. Currently testing the electronic shutter of the Olympus E-M1 II. Pretty cool feature - no moving parts at all, zero shot-induced vibrations. So far it seems there is no noise or dynamic range penalty in using the electronic shutter. I use the electronic shutter as well in my EM5 II. It's good for just about everything except flash: if flash is on and activated, shutter won't fi needs to be proper shutter for that. But for everything else, it's constantly on in mine. And with it I can take up to 10 shots per second, which make for quite a nice near slow-mo at 4k if put together into a video with Corel Video Studio X7 and 5 images/sec Like everything in photography there is a time and place for using the electronic shutter. One should be aware that it is particularly vulnerable to the "rolling shutter effect" when shooting subjects at speed. Athletes on a track will have legs severely distorted to the point they will appear to have lost their feet. Car and bicycle wheels will looks as if they have been squashed into ovals. Propellor and rotor aircraft will show blade distortion. I discovered the "rolling shutter effect" for myself when thinking that the ES would be great for shooting hummingbirds in flight, it isn't. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSF3671C.jpg ...and a helicopter https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Jamtlands_Flyg_EC120B_Colibri.JPG/1280px-Jamtlands_Flyg_EC120B_Colibri.JPG That looks like a slit camera photo finish: http://www.horsenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/PAY-Seagull-in-a-photo-finish-at-the-Brighton-Races.png Same "rolling shutter" effect". I see the gull came second. Here are a few more severe examples: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/0sorenragsdale001.jpeg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/0sorenragsdale002.jpeg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The D7300 could be a D500 on a Budget
In article 2017030908372475977-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: On 2017-03-09 15:50:24 +0000, android said: In article 2017030907342049474-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-03-09 10:55:12 +0000, Noons said: On 8/03/2017 7:22 @wiz, RichA wrote: Not only I'm going mirrorless, I'm also going shutterless. Currently testing the electronic shutter of the Olympus E-M1 II. Pretty cool feature - no moving parts at all, zero shot-induced vibrations. So far it seems there is no noise or dynamic range penalty in using the electronic shutter. I use the electronic shutter as well in my EM5 II. It's good for just about everything except flash: if flash is on and activated, shutter won't fi needs to be proper shutter for that. But for everything else, it's constantly on in mine. And with it I can take up to 10 shots per second, which make for quite a nice near slow-mo at 4k if put together into a video with Corel Video Studio X7 and 5 images/sec Like everything in photography there is a time and place for using the electronic shutter. One should be aware that it is particularly vulnerable to the "rolling shutter effect" when shooting subjects at speed. Athletes on a track will have legs severely distorted to the point they will appear to have lost their feet. Car and bicycle wheels will looks as if they have been squashed into ovals. Propellor and rotor aircraft will show blade distortion. I discovered the "rolling shutter effect" for myself when thinking that the ES would be great for shooting hummingbirds in flight, it isn't. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSF3671C.jpg ...and a helicopter https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mtlands_Flyg_E C120B_Colibri.JPG/1280px-Jamtlands_Flyg_EC120B_Colibri.JPG That looks like a slit camera photo finish: http://www.horsenation.com/wp-conten...gull-in-a-phot o-finish-at-the-Brighton-Races.png Same "rolling shutter" effect". I see the gull came second. It kinda dived in... ;-) Here are a few more severe examples: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/0sorenragsdale001.jpeg Looks kinda funny when the subject don't match it's shadow... Lucky Luke gone pilot? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/0sorenragsdale002.jpeg -- teleportation kills |
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The D7300 could be a D500 on a Budget
In article , Noons says...
I saw a 4 second shot by one guy, pretty amazing what is possible today. Indeed! I tend to rest the right hand's thumb on my right temple and use my chest for the elbow of the left arm to form a kind of body tripod with the arms, head, chest and camera. With that, I can go well over 4secs and still get a reasonable shot. These cameras are amazing! Currently eyeing a EM1 II, still a bit expensive but it'll come down in price for sure. Here are some examples of shots in the 3-10 seconds range, all handheld: http://myolympus.org/E-M1_II/IBIS/ -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The D7300 could be a D500 on a Budget
On 10/03/2017 2:34 @wiz, Savageduck wrote:
One should be aware that it is particularly vulnerable to the "rolling shutter effect" when shooting subjects at speed. Athletes on a track will have legs severely distorted to the point they will appear to have lost their feet. Car and bicycle wheels will looks as if they have been squashed into ovals. Propellor and rotor aircraft will show blade distortion. I discovered the "rolling shutter effect" for myself when thinking that the ES would be great for shooting hummingbirds in flight, it isn't. I haven't yet seen any weird effects, but I don't take photos of aircraft or athletics. For the surfing shots I take, the electronic shutter of the EM5 is perfect: so far haven't seen any weird effects. But thanks for the warning, will be on the lookout for those. |
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The D7300 could be a D500 on a Budget
On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 23:47:46 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote: On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 18:51:35 -0500, me wrote: On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 09:24:12 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: A 70-200 f/2.8 VR would be nice for shooting night baseball. My 55-300 f/4.5 is fine for daytime baseball, but my D300 doesn't handle higher ISO well as you know. I'm curious, what do you consider to be higher ISO in this context? My experience with my Nikon D300 is that 400 is as high as I can go without producing intrusive noise at 1/250th. This is shooting baseball at night on a lighted field. Shooting from a dugout to the catcher, a fairly short distance, the umpire's black clothing will be speckled with noise at above 400, and somewhat speckled at 400. I'm shooting for action shots, and 1/250th is as slow as I can go and expect a decent shot. Flash, of course, is out of the question. So you are still under exposed, then? Have you posted a sample somewhere? What is the final use that you find this unacceptable? |
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