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The mess that is Photos on iOS and OSX
On 2014-12-07 00:46:47 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:10:14 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-06 23:21:34 +0000, PeterN said: Why do you even bother. Is it that important? Nope, it is not important at all. It is sufficiently important to me to cause me to enquire. ....and why would it be important to you as a non-OSX, non-iPhoto, and non-Aperture user? I know you have an iPad 3, so iCloud is available to you, and Apple is going to encourage you to use it more. Perhaps you will, perhaps you won't. Apple is going to continue on its path, and all who choose to follow will adopt whatever shows up in OSX, iOS, and iCloud. Apple will tout it as the greatest thing since dumping iPhoto & Aperture, Apple devotees will praise it blindly, and the anti-Apple faction will condemn it. The same will apply to Adobe software. That is the way of the World. That said, this Apple user will continue to use PS + LR in my efforts to make my images tolerably viewable. My enquiry has almost nothing to do with anyone's ongoing use of LR or PS. Then carry on with however circular you want to make your debate with nospam. Obviously you missed the point of my response to Peter. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The mess that is Photos on iOS and OSX
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: A message reference would have been helpful. the message reference didn't exist when it was posted. The message to which you referred by writing "see other post for more details" already existed and that is the message already identified by the message ID which I see you have unhelpfully snipped. no it didn't. both messages were written locally and posted as a batch at the same time, which means there was no message id when i wrote them or when they were posted. OK. I see that. There are three minutes separating the two messages. I would have thought they were dated and time stamped when they were posted, not when you put finger to key board. your news server sucks. both messages were posted within a fraction of a second of each other. there should not be a 3 minute delay. there should not even be a 3 *second* delay. at the most, they should differ by one second, if one was made slightly before the second clicked over. this is yet another one of your absurd nitpicking rants since you have absolutely nothing else to argue about. who the **** cares if there was a message id anyway? unless you have a ****ty news server (which apparently you do, but that's your problem, not mine), they posts show up together, and as i said, someone would have either *just* seen the other post or realize they were about to see it. Actually, seeing the "other post for more details" is not realy helpful as the "other post" merely uses different words to say "they can't coexist". it's helpful because there's no point in writing the same thing again. Yet you did. nope. But neither is an explanation. It's mere a statement of fact. i explained it. since both were posted at the same time, someone reading the thread will have either seen the lengthy explanation moments before or they will realize a more detailed answer is forthcoming in a post they're about to read. No explanation. it had an explanation. it's not my fault you didn't even see it, let alone understand it. in other words, a message id is completely unnecessary. you're arguing just to argue again. Nope. I'm trying to find out *why* the two won't work together. explained already. There is no hint as to an explanation why this should be the case. Are you able to explain what it is about the situation which caused you to write, first, "it's either/or" and then "they can't coexist"? more bull****. not only did i explain why but you even *quoted* it your reply, relocated from above to he what came before, core data and icloud, was fundamentally broken. apple fixed a lot of the issues but realized it could never work properly so they said **** it and started over. That's not an explanation of why. In what way was core data and icloud fundamentally broken? yes it is. more details would require an extensive understanding of core data, which is not going to happen in a post or two, let alone a book or two. but basically, core data began life long before there was a cloud anything, back in the days of nextstep/openstep. it was revised and released as core data about a decade ago and later made to work with icloud, except, it didn't do that very well. there were lots of problems, including data corruption. apple fixed a lot of the issues but there were some fundamental problems that could not be fixed. cloud syncing is a very difficult problem to solve and do so correctly in all situations and without data corruption. dropbox is one of the better systems, but even that has conflicts that are left for the user to fix. as i said, apple said **** it and came up with cloudkit. it's a bit too soon to know how reliable cloudkit will be, but it can't be any worse than core data + icloud. another benefit is apple is dogfooding it so they're more likely to see real world problems and fix them. |
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The mess that is Photos on iOS and OSX
On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:50:35 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: A message reference would have been helpful. the message reference didn't exist when it was posted. The message to which you referred by writing "see other post for more details" already existed and that is the message already identified by the message ID which I see you have unhelpfully snipped. no it didn't. both messages were written locally and posted as a batch at the same time, which means there was no message id when i wrote them or when they were posted. OK. I see that. There are three minutes separating the two messages. I would have thought they were dated and time stamped when they were posted, not when you put finger to key board. your news server sucks. both messages were posted within a fraction of a second of each other. there should not be a 3 minute delay. there should not even be a 3 *second* delay. at the most, they should differ by one second, if one was made slightly before the second clicked over. Nothing to do with my news server. The time stamp is applied at your end. this is yet another one of your absurd nitpicking rants since you have absolutely nothing else to argue about. who the **** cares if there was a message id anyway? unless you have a ****ty news server (which apparently you do, but that's your problem, not mine), they posts show up together, and as i said, someone would have either *just* seen the other post or realize they were about to see it. Jeez! Why are you frothing at the mouth? Actually, seeing the "other post for more details" is not realy helpful as the "other post" merely uses different words to say "they can't coexist". it's helpful because there's no point in writing the same thing again. Yet you did. nope. But neither is an explanation. It's mere a statement of fact. i explained it. since both were posted at the same time, someone reading the thread will have either seen the lengthy explanation moments before or they will realize a more detailed answer is forthcoming in a post they're about to read. No explanation. it had an explanation. it's not my fault you didn't even see it, let alone understand it. in other words, a message id is completely unnecessary. you're arguing just to argue again. Nope. I'm trying to find out *why* the two won't work together. explained already. ! There is no hint as to an explanation why this should be the case. Are you able to explain what it is about the situation which caused you to write, first, "it's either/or" and then "they can't coexist"? more bull****. not only did i explain why but you even *quoted* it your reply, relocated from above to he what came before, core data and icloud, was fundamentally broken. apple fixed a lot of the issues but realized it could never work properly so they said **** it and started over. That's not an explanation of why. In what way was core data and icloud fundamentally broken? yes it is. more details would require an extensive understanding of core data, which is not going to happen in a post or two, let alone a book or two. but basically, core data began life long before there was a cloud anything, back in the days of nextstep/openstep. it was revised and released as core data about a decade ago and later made to work with icloud, except, it didn't do that very well. there were lots of problems, including data corruption. apple fixed a lot of the issues but there were some fundamental problems that could not be fixed. cloud syncing is a very difficult problem to solve and do so correctly in all situations and without data corruption. dropbox is one of the better systems, but even that has conflicts that are left for the user to fix. as i said, apple said **** it and came up with cloudkit. it's a bit too soon to know how reliable cloudkit will be, but it can't be any worse than core data + icloud. another benefit is apple is dogfooding it so they're more likely to see real world problems and fix them. Even that explanation is better than 'it doesn't work'. Thank you. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:36:36 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2014-12-07 00:46:47 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:10:14 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-06 23:21:34 +0000, PeterN said: Why do you even bother. Is it that important? Nope, it is not important at all. It is sufficiently important to me to cause me to enquire. ...and why would it be important to you as a non-OSX, non-iPhoto, and non-Aperture user? In-built curiosity. I know you have an iPad 3, so iCloud is available to you, and Apple is going to encourage you to use it more. Perhaps you will, perhaps you won't. Apple is going to continue on its path, and all who choose to follow will adopt whatever shows up in OSX, iOS, and iCloud. Apple will tout it as the greatest thing since dumping iPhoto & Aperture, Apple devotees will praise it blindly, and the anti-Apple faction will condemn it. The same will apply to Adobe software. That is the way of the World. That said, this Apple user will continue to use PS + LR in my efforts to make my images tolerably viewable. My enquiry has almost nothing to do with anyone's ongoing use of LR or PS. Then carry on with however circular you want to make your debate with nospam. Obviously you missed the point of my response to Peter. It was not relevant to my query to nospam. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 12/6/2014 8:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-12-07 00:23:43 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/6/2014 7:10 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-06 23:21:34 +0000, PeterN said: Why do you even bother. Is it that important? Nope, it is not important at all. Apple is going to continue on its path, and all who choose to follow will adopt whatever shows up in OSX, iOS, and iCloud. Apple will tout it as the greatest thing since dumping iPhoto & Aperture, Apple devotees will praise it blindly, and the anti-Apple faction will condemn it. The same will apply to Adobe software. That is the way of the World. That said, this Apple user will continue to use PS + LR in my efforts to make my images tolerably viewable. This PC user will continue to use PS, and am still learning LR. Keep going. I suggest that you use it as a portal to PS and the other plug-ins such as the NIK & OnOne stuff. If you import & retain your original NEFs, or convert to DNG, use the LR image editing tools instead of ACR. Just remember you can go to PS whenever you choose, and the Camera RAW filter is still available in PS. The working copy with layers can be saved back to LR and reopened in PS from LR whenever you choose. Then from LR you can export as a JPEG for sharing without having a JPEG taking up space in LR. I am taking advantage of my 20GB of Creative Cloud storage fpr having collections on my desktop and in LR Mobile (Free) on both my iPhone & iPad. Then as you have seen, I can share any of those collections I choose to by providing the Adobe CC link. When I share via Dropbox, I have a preset in the LR Export dialog, where I resize (to my parameters), convert to JPEG, and export to an appropriate Dropbox "Public" folder. So in the Export dialog I can go to a preset, or I can right click and by-pass the export dialog by invoking the preset. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1066.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1067.jpg I find for online viewing limiting the max vertical dimension to 940 pix is optimal. Which lets me share this JPEG, without having a JPEG in LR. https://db.tt/cRVwu23V BTW have you tried Topaz Impressions? I have stopped using Painter. Nope. That isn't really my sort of thing. ;-) I am not a great fan of the some of the Topaz stuff, and I have more than enough to work with with NIK, OnOne, and my current tinkering with the Mac only Intensify Pro & Tonality Pro. http://macphun.com/getstarted/intensify/features?_ga=1.21482427.1226465012.1412871464 http://macphun.com/getstarted/tonality?_ga=1.130468367.1226465012.1412871464 If you ha e Kelby One, you can see Eddie Tapp's course on blending modes. http://kelbyone.com/course/tapp_blending2/ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/C26-peternewm-C1-Approaching%20Strom.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/C26-peternewm-C1-Montauk%20Sunset.jpg As usual constructive comments welcome. As I said, not really my sort of thing, but OK for what it is. Horses for courses. -- PeterN |
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On 12/6/2014 8:36 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-12-07 00:46:47 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:10:14 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-06 23:21:34 +0000, PeterN said: Why do you even bother. Is it that important? Nope, it is not important at all. It is sufficiently important to me to cause me to enquire. ...and why would it be important to you as a non-OSX, non-iPhoto, and non-Aperture user? I know you have an iPad 3, so iCloud is available to you, and Apple is going to encourage you to use it more. Perhaps you will, perhaps you won't. Apple is going to continue on its path, and all who choose to follow will adopt whatever shows up in OSX, iOS, and iCloud. Apple will tout it as the greatest thing since dumping iPhoto & Aperture, Apple devotees will praise it blindly, and the anti-Apple faction will condemn it. The same will apply to Adobe software. That is the way of the World. That said, this Apple user will continue to use PS + LR in my efforts to make my images tolerably viewable. My enquiry has almost nothing to do with anyone's ongoing use of LR or PS. Then carry on with however circular you want to make your debate with nospam. Obviously you missed the point of my response to Peter. And of my comment, to which you responded. -- PeterN |
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The mess that is Photos on iOS and OSX
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: A message reference would have been helpful. the message reference didn't exist when it was posted. The message to which you referred by writing "see other post for more details" already existed and that is the message already identified by the message ID which I see you have unhelpfully snipped. no it didn't. both messages were written locally and posted as a batch at the same time, which means there was no message id when i wrote them or when they were posted. OK. I see that. There are three minutes separating the two messages. I would have thought they were dated and time stamped when they were posted, not when you put finger to key board. your news server sucks. both messages were posted within a fraction of a second of each other. there should not be a 3 minute delay. there should not even be a 3 *second* delay. at the most, they should differ by one second, if one was made slightly before the second clicked over. Nothing to do with my news server. The time stamp is applied at your end. it's not at my end. both messages were posted within a fraction of a second of each other. this is yet another one of your absurd nitpicking rants since you have absolutely nothing else to argue about. who the **** cares if there was a message id anyway? unless you have a ****ty news server (which apparently you do, but that's your problem, not mine), they posts show up together, and as i said, someone would have either *just* seen the other post or realize they were about to see it. Jeez! Why are you frothing at the mouth? because you're arguing about something *completely* irrelevant. the time stamp makes absolutely no difference whatsoever? what matters is the *contents*, which you are completely ignoring so that you can babble. |
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On 2014-12-07 16:52:36 +0000, PeterN said:
On 12/6/2014 8:26 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-07 00:23:43 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/6/2014 7:10 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-12-06 23:21:34 +0000, PeterN said: Why do you even bother. Is it that important? Nope, it is not important at all. Apple is going to continue on its path, and all who choose to follow will adopt whatever shows up in OSX, iOS, and iCloud. Apple will tout it as the greatest thing since dumping iPhoto & Aperture, Apple devotees will praise it blindly, and the anti-Apple faction will condemn it. The same will apply to Adobe software. That is the way of the World. That said, this Apple user will continue to use PS + LR in my efforts to make my images tolerably viewable. This PC user will continue to use PS, and am still learning LR. Keep going. I suggest that you use it as a portal to PS and the other plug-ins such as the NIK & OnOne stuff. If you import & retain your original NEFs, or convert to DNG, use the LR image editing tools instead of ACR. Just remember you can go to PS whenever you choose, and the Camera RAW filter is still available in PS. The working copy with layers can be saved back to LR and reopened in PS from LR whenever you choose. Then from LR you can export as a JPEG for sharing without having a JPEG taking up space in LR. I am taking advantage of my 20GB of Creative Cloud storage fpr having collections on my desktop and in LR Mobile (Free) on both my iPhone & iPad. Then as you have seen, I can share any of those collections I choose to by providing the Adobe CC link. When I share via Dropbox, I have a preset in the LR Export dialog, where I resize (to my parameters), convert to JPEG, and export to an appropriate Dropbox "Public" folder. So in the Export dialog I can go to a preset, or I can right click and by-pass the export dialog by invoking the preset. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1066.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1067.jpg I find for online viewing limiting the max vertical dimension to 940 pix is optimal. Which lets me share this JPEG, without having a JPEG in LR. https://db.tt/cRVwu23V BTW have you tried Topaz Impressions? I have stopped using Painter. Nope. That isn't really my sort of thing. ;-) I am not a great fan of the some of the Topaz stuff, and I have more than enough to work with with NIK, OnOne, and my current tinkering with the Mac only Intensify Pro & Tonality Pro. http://macphun.com/getstarted/intensify/features?_ga=1.21482427.1226465012.1412871464 http://macphun.com/getstarted/tonality?_ga=1.130468367.1226465012.1412871464 If you ha e Kelby One, you can see Eddie Tapp's course on blending modes. http://kelbyone.com/course/tapp_blending2/ I subscribe to Kelby/NAAP/Photoshop User and regularly check on tutorials & exercises. Photoshop & Lightroom are a continuing education project for me. What exactly were you getting at with blending modes, and the demo being given with CS3? So much has been refined now that we are at PS CC (2014) and many of the plug-ins have developed quite amazingly. It still boils down to what you want to do with your images, and how to go about that. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/C26-peternewm-C1-Approaching%20Strom.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/C26-peternewm-C1-Montauk%20Sunset.jpg As usual constructive comments welcome. As I said, not really my sort of thing, but OK for what it is. Horses for courses. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 12/7/2014 1:21 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-12-07 16:52:36 +0000, PeterN said: snip BTW have you tried Topaz Impressions? I have stopped using Painter. Nope. That isn't really my sort of thing. ;-) I am not a great fan of the some of the Topaz stuff, and I have more than enough to work with with NIK, OnOne, and my current tinkering with the Mac only Intensify Pro & Tonality Pro. http://macphun.com/getstarted/intensify/features?_ga=1.21482427.1226465012.1412871464 http://macphun.com/getstarted/tonality?_ga=1.130468367.1226465012.1412871464 If you ha e Kelby One, you can see Eddie Tapp's course on blending modes. http://kelbyone.com/course/tapp_blending2/ I subscribe to Kelby/NAAP/Photoshop User and regularly check on tutorials & exercises. Photoshop & Lightroom are a continuing education project for me. What exactly were you getting at with blending modes, and the demo being given with CS3? When I saw your images, processed with Macphun, they reminded me of what Eddie shows can be easily accomplished using layers, filters and blending modes. Just another way of accomplishing a goal. That the tutorial was for an earlier version, is irrelevant. The same technique can be used with any later version of PS. snip -- PeterN |
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The mess that is Photos on iOS and OSX
On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 12:08:13 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: A message reference would have been helpful. the message reference didn't exist when it was posted. The message to which you referred by writing "see other post for more details" already existed and that is the message already identified by the message ID which I see you have unhelpfully snipped. no it didn't. both messages were written locally and posted as a batch at the same time, which means there was no message id when i wrote them or when they were posted. OK. I see that. There are three minutes separating the two messages. I would have thought they were dated and time stamped when they were posted, not when you put finger to key board. your news server sucks. both messages were posted within a fraction of a second of each other. there should not be a 3 minute delay. there should not even be a 3 *second* delay. at the most, they should differ by one second, if one was made slightly before the second clicked over. Nothing to do with my news server. The time stamp is applied at your end. it's not at my end. both messages were posted within a fraction of a second of each other. From 1987 http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc850/rfc850.html "The Date line (formerly "Posted") is the date, in a format that must be acceptable both to the ARPANET and to the getdate routine, that the article was originally posted to the network. This date remains unchanged as the article is propagated throughout the network." .... and now http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_Use...lHeaders-2.htm "Date: The date and time that the message was originally posted to Usenet. This is usually the date/time that the user submitted the article to his or her local NNTP server. this is yet another one of your absurd nitpicking rants since you have absolutely nothing else to argue about. who the **** cares if there was a message id anyway? unless you have a ****ty news server (which apparently you do, but that's your problem, not mine), they posts show up together, and as i said, someone would have either *just* seen the other post or realize they were about to see it. Jeez! Why are you frothing at the mouth? because you're arguing about something *completely* irrelevant. Citing a message ID is arguing? the time stamp makes absolutely no difference whatsoever? what matters is the *contents*, which you are completely ignoring so that you can babble. The two different times of posting explain why I received your articles in the reverse order in which you intended to send them. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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