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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a Post Office?
On 2013-04-02 16:43:16 -0700, "Frank S" said:
"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2013040215500089814-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2013-04-02 14:37:54 -0700, Scott Schuckert said: In article 2013040213025428635-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: A little verifiable research provides the answers to quite a few questions regarding this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Postal_Service -- Regards, Savageduck Thank you. I will throw this in the face of the Significant Other next time she starts up with the "I'm NOT a government employee!" stuff. The whole issue of the private company vs Government agency argument can be confusing, mainly due to the way it is funded and the employees' pension fund is dealt with. Note: that due to a bunch of Federal budget changes, postal workers are no longer part of the Civil Service Retirement System and no longer have payroll deductions into that system. Your wife should be part whatever Postal Civil Service Retirement Service provides. Due to this seperation she might not consider herself a "Government employee", but she should check and confirm that the term "Civil Servant" is part of how her wages are paid, and what she is going to depend on regarding her pension. Then, in the Wikipedia article above there is the confusing statement, "The United States Postal Service is a Fortune 500 company." That of course conflicts with the opening statement, "The USPS is an independant agency of the United States government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. Once one checks to discover that there is no trading of the USPS on the NYSE or NASDAQ that issue is a little clearer. The Fortune 500 ranking is due to its status as the USA's second largest civilian employer with 574,000 personnel (as of 2011). The other thing to consider is crimes associated with Postal Service in the USA is dealt with by a Federal Law enforcement agency, and all associated Postal crimes are Federal crimes punishable in Federal Court, not State or local ordinances. So while you wife might, as a Postal Worker, feel abandoned by the US government in many ways, she is still intrinsically part of it, and can wear the label "Civil Servant" with honor. 10-4. There is "a rat" in "separate". Phingrr phawlt -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a Post Office?
On Monday, April 1, 2013 1:37:35 AM UTC-5, Danny D. wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:46:53 -0700 Frank S wrote: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/53/152...992d24ff_o.jpg USPS employee at work in the Passport Photo Studio, February 2005. But, is it illegal, as the OIC said, or not? Anyone know for sure? Old question, but if anyone is still interested: https://about.usps.com/postal-bullet.../info_005.html Photography and Filming for Personal Use Informal snapshots from handheld cameras for personal use may be allowed at the postmaster's discretion provided that there is no disruption to Postal Service operations and that the pictures are taken from areas accessible to the public. In these cases, no prior permis-sion is required from the Office of Rights and Permissions; however, no lighting or scaffolding may be set up, and no picture can depict any Postal Service employee, customer, security camera, or cover of mail (i.e., the exterior of a mail-piece, which would show customer name and address among other things). Postmasters may restrict any and all photography if they determine that it is disruptive or there are potential security concerns. |
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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a Post Office?
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wrote: I don't know where any of you are getting your legal opinions, but it is illegal to photograph ANY federal building, including Post Offices - period!! nonsense. |
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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a Post Office?
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I don't know where any of you are getting your legal opinions, but it is illegal to photograph ANY federal building, including Post Offices - period!! Really? The tourist season is upon us in Washington, D.C. Each year millions upon millions of photographs are made of the White House, the U.S. Capitol, the museums, and every other federal building that has even the tiniest bit of historical or architectural significance. And it's all legal. So, unless you want to end up on a no-fly list for the rest of your days, I wouldn't push the issue. And, I totally don't understand what you were trying to do with the 32 cent stamps, but exchanging stamps is not allowed and sticking them on a piece of paper invalidates the stamp, whether or not that it has been 'cancelled' (we don't "stamp" stamps, we cancel them) You're just downright laughable. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a Post Office?
On 2015-06-19 03:42:09 +0000, Davoud said:
: I don't know where any of you are getting your legal opinions, but it is illegal to photograph ANY federal building, including Post Offices - period!! Really? The tourist season is upon us in Washington, D.C. Each year millions upon millions of photographs are made of the White House, the U.S. Capitol, the museums, and every other federal building that has even the tiniest bit of historical or architectural significance. And it's all legal. So, unless you want to end up on a no-fly list for the rest of your days, I wouldn't push the issue. And, I totally don't understand what you were trying to do with the 32 cent stamps, but exchanging stamps is not allowed and sticking them on a piece of paper invalidates the stamp, whether or not that it has been 'cancelled' (we don't "stamp" stamps, we cancel them) You're just downright laughable. The only thing which might be problematic for a photographer shooting shots of any employee inside a post office is, regardless of it being a Federal building, the employees have privacy rights at their place of work. I would imagine the postmaster has every right to deny taking shots of any of the employees without a release, and I doubt that would be signed, particularly since the photographer is a crank with an agenda. I imagine that this nut was a hair's breath from being hauled out of there as a trespasser. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a Post Office?
I tried to take a photo of the letter that was stamped and ready to go off on its journey ... I did that just for my own records - no clerk or any human for that matter was photographed - today the guy told me that I can't take photos ... I don't understand WHY ... :/ I photographed the envelope - NOTHING ELSE ... assholes
On Friday, March 29, 2013 at 10:14:30 PM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote: Is it illegal to snap a photograph of a clerk inside a post office? Today, in California, I tried to exchange a book of 32 cent stamps for current stamps, which is something that I have been doing for decades (whenever they change the prices) at a value-for-value rate (lately I've been exchanging for "forever stamps" at the current rate). In the past, many times, I merely placed the stamps on a sheet of paper, in the presence of the clerk, thereby making them unstamped, but still valid. However, after watching me, the clerk would not allow the exchange, citing an unwritten "new regulation" that disallows this common practice. I snapped photos of the transaction, in the clear presence of everyone (there were about 3 clerks present), and there was absolutely no protest (it as a large Nikon SLR which I happened to have hanging on my neck as I was returning from an outing and stopped at the Post Office by way of errand). Later, I called the Officer in Charge of that Post Office, who indignantly said I was breaking the law by taking a picture of the clerk "without permission". I must restate, it was clear as the sun shines that I was snapping pictures, and NOBODY raised a word of protest - but - I must also ask if there is ANY legal standing for the OIC's presumption that I am guilty of breaking the law for doing so. May I ask: Legally, in California, in a Post Office, when nobody objects, is it against the law to snap a photograph or otherwise record the transaction? |
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Is it really illegal to snap a picture of a clerk in a PostOffice?
I tried to take a photo of the letter that was stamped and ready to go off
on its journey ... I did that just for my own records - no clerk or any hum an for that matter was photographed - today the guy told me that I can't ta ke photos ... I don't understand WHY ... Because it is the law. Title 39 CFR 232.1 "Conduct on Postal Property", see (h) (5) (i) therein. For example at https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/39/232.1 Short summary: News photography is allowed, all others require permission of the postmaster. There probably should be a poster up somewhere in the post office public area titled "Rules and Regulations Governing Conduct on Postal Service Property" with this and many other rules. |
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