35mm on grade 3 explained

"jjs" wrote in message
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"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
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"jjs" wrote in message

I knew that. Darn. I'll bet you and I could have a heck of a flame
war.


Well, then, you oversize patoot! So there, your move ;~))) What's a
patoot anyway???

Are you saing I'm immature ya big Poopie Head?



Stop or I'll get my big brother to beat you up!

Thanks for the humor. I needed it today. Everything I touched either went
wrong or burnt. I even burnt a pan of Uncle Ben's rice tonight. It's late
here, and I'm glad this day is over.

Have a good night John...

"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
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Thanks for the humor. I needed it today. Everything I touched either
went wrong or burnt. I even burnt a pan of Uncle Ben's rice tonight.
It's late here, and I'm glad this day is over.

Have a good night John...

It's mid-afternoon here and I'm crunching a 1.8gb (yes, giga) photoshop
file. Pain, pain! No fun at all.

"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
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Thanks for the humor. I needed it today. Everything I touched either
went wrong or burnt. I even burnt a pan of Uncle Ben's rice tonight.
It's late here, and I'm glad this day is over.

Have a good night John...

It's mid-afternoon here and I'm crunching a 1.8gb (yes, giga) photoshop
file. Pain, pain! No fun at all.

"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the humor. I needed it today. Everything I touched either
went wrong or burnt. I even burnt a pan of Uncle Ben's rice tonight.
It's late here, and I'm glad this day is over.

Have a good night John...

It's mid-afternoon here and I'm crunching a 1.8gb (yes, giga) photoshop
file. Pain, pain! No fun at all.

"Uranium Committee" wrote in message
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"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
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"Uranium Committee" wrote in message
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You'll note that many zonazis rely on printed materials that are even
older. Adams wrote his books in the late 1940's. White wrote the ZSM
in the early 1950's. White refers to a couple of articles by Davenport
published in 1940 in US Camera. So that argument won't wash, dear! You
can't have it both ways! If you dismiss this because it was written in
1960, you must dismiss all of the classic zs effluvium.



Uhh, my copy of Fred Picker's (RIP) book _Zone VI Workshop_ is
copyrighted
in 1974. Not exactly new, but it has a 14 year leap on your references.
Also, my copy of Carson Graves _The Zone System for 35mm Photographers_
(2nd
Edition) is copyrighted in 1997. Wow, on your timeline that was like
yesterday or last week even...

Not relevant, in that the notion of variable film development was
ALREADY around, and acknowledged and dismissed by Kodak in the 1952
material. That material cites the shortcomings of the thought behind
it.

And nothing has changed since 1952? Then please, oh please tell us where to
get Verichrome Pan or Super-XX.

"Uranium Committee" wrote in message
om...
"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
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"Uranium Committee" wrote in message
om...
You'll note that many zonazis rely on printed materials that are even
older. Adams wrote his books in the late 1940's. White wrote the ZSM
in the early 1950's. White refers to a couple of articles by Davenport
published in 1940 in US Camera. So that argument won't wash, dear! You
can't have it both ways! If you dismiss this because it was written in
1960, you must dismiss all of the classic zs effluvium.



Uhh, my copy of Fred Picker's (RIP) book _Zone VI Workshop_ is
copyrighted
in 1974. Not exactly new, but it has a 14 year leap on your references.
Also, my copy of Carson Graves _The Zone System for 35mm Photographers_
(2nd
Edition) is copyrighted in 1997. Wow, on your timeline that was like
yesterday or last week even...

Not relevant, in that the notion of variable film development was
ALREADY around, and acknowledged and dismissed by Kodak in the 1952
material. That material cites the shortcomings of the thought behind
it.

And nothing has changed since 1952? Then please, oh please tell us where to
get Verichrome Pan or Super-XX.

"Uranium Committee" wrote in message
om...
"Jim Phelps" wrote in message
...
"Uranium Committee" wrote in message
om...
You'll note that many zonazis rely on printed materials that are even
older. Adams wrote his books in the late 1940's. White wrote the ZSM
in the early 1950's. White refers to a couple of articles by Davenport
published in 1940 in US Camera. So that argument won't wash, dear! You
can't have it both ways! If you dismiss this because it was written in
1960, you must dismiss all of the classic zs effluvium.



Uhh, my copy of Fred Picker's (RIP) book _Zone VI Workshop_ is
copyrighted
in 1974. Not exactly new, but it has a 14 year leap on your references.
Also, my copy of Carson Graves _The Zone System for 35mm Photographers_
(2nd
Edition) is copyrighted in 1997. Wow, on your timeline that was like
yesterday or last week even...

Not relevant, in that the notion of variable film development was
ALREADY around, and acknowledged and dismissed by Kodak in the 1952
material. That material cites the shortcomings of the thought behind
it.

And nothing has changed since 1952? Then please, oh please tell us where to
get Verichrome Pan or Super-XX.

Jim Phelps wrote:

: "Uranium Committee" wrote in message
: om...
: "Jim Phelps" wrote in message
: ...
: "Uranium Committee" wrote in message
: om...
: You'll note that many zonazis rely on printed materials that are even
: older. Adams wrote his books in the late 1940's. White wrote the ZSM
: in the early 1950's. White refers to a couple of articles by Davenport
: published in 1940 in US Camera. So that argument won't wash, dear! You
: can't have it both ways! If you dismiss this because it was written in
: 1960, you must dismiss all of the classic zs effluvium.
:
:
:
: Uhh, my copy of Fred Picker's (RIP) book _Zone VI Workshop_ is
: copyrighted
: in 1974. Not exactly new, but it has a 14 year leap on your references.
: Also, my copy of Carson Graves _The Zone System for 35mm Photographers_
: (2nd
: Edition) is copyrighted in 1997. Wow, on your timeline that was like
: yesterday or last week even...
:
: Not relevant, in that the notion of variable film development was
: ALREADY around, and acknowledged and dismissed by Kodak in the 1952
: material. That material cites the shortcomings of the thought behind
: it.
:
: And nothing has changed since 1952? Then please, oh please tell us where to
: get Verichrome Pan or Super-XX.

Why go back to those old technoloy and obsolete films? I would much rather stick
with Tmax-100 which is the finest B&W ever made.

Maybe the change in film technology is why Kodak has changed it's stance on
things like the zone system.


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"Frank Pittel" wrote in message
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Why go back to those old technoloy and obsolete films? I would much rather
stick
with Tmax-100 which is the finest B&W ever made.

Frank, you say that a lot. I expect to see that tatooed on you when we meet
up.

"Frank Pittel" wrote in message
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Why go back to those old technoloy and obsolete films? I would much rather
stick
with Tmax-100 which is the finest B&W ever made.

Frank, you say that a lot. I expect to see that tatooed on you when we meet
up.