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Old March 31st 18, 03:14 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.apps
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from the freely available Windows version of Adobe Illustrator.


illustrator is not free nor has it ever been free.


"freely available" does not mean that it's "free".

It may have been better if Ragnusen Ultred had written "readily
available".


no difference.

you are pirating it.


Not necessarily.


yes necessarily.
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Old March 31st 18, 03:14 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mayayana
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| you are pirating it.
|
| Not necessarily.

Those programs were actually put online by Adobe
some time ago. Adobe themselves provided the
keys. There were license terms with the downloads
that said they were only valid if obtained from Adobe
directly. Check. So it's all perfectly legal.


nope.

the license terms stated that cs2 is for those who already have an
existing cs2 license.

it is *not* nor never was intended to be able to leech a copy. period.

Later Adobe altered the terms to say the download
was intended only for people who had bought the
programs but had lost the media and key.


nope. they never altered anything.

My guess is


just that, and completely wrong.

that they were offering them
to get new customers who might then want to
mortgage their house to buy the latest version.


nonsense.

it was a (then) 8 year old version that hadn't been sold in years and
would not run on existing hardware or operating systems anymore,
therefore they could not justify keeping the activation servers online.

new customers were buying new versions, at the time, either cs6 or
creative cloud.

your guess is not even remotely close.

Then it probably turned out that there were no new
suckers to be had. Only people who were interested
in Adobe products *if* they were free. So Adobe
backtracked and officially claimed that, "Yes, we're
giving this stuff away. But not really."


like i said, your 'guess' is wrong.
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Old March 31st 18, 04:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Am Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:01:46 +1300, schrieb Eric Stevens:

"freely available" does not mean that it's "free".


Hi Eric,
I don't know you so I need to know if you're coming from the Mac side or
the adult side (rec.photo.digital).

If you're coming from the Mac side, then it's understanable that you're in
keeping with all the Apple children that they latch on to silly semantics
instead of the tougher technical topic which is being asked.

If you're coming from the adult side, I would simply ask you to answer the
technical question, which has no bearing on what the legal position of the
tools is (which, I might add, the adults on the Windows side already hashed
out to a level of detail that puts the silly Mac users to instant shame).

In short,
a. If you're coming from the Mac side, then you have no helpful intent, nor
do you have any technical capability to answer the question, so, it's
understandable that you latch, instead, tenaciously on silly semantic
games.

b. If you're coming from the adult side, then I already pointed you to the
adult side of that non-technical legal tangent, where your immense
confusion will be allayed.

Now back to the question at hand which has nothing to do with silly
semantics that the Apple users /always/ latch onto because they can't or
they refuse to answer even the /simplest/ of technical questions.
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Old March 31st 18, 04:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Am Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:16:49 -0400, schrieb Mayayana:

Those programs were actually put online by Adobe
some time ago. Adobe themselves provided the
keys. There were license terms with the downloads
that said they were only valid if obtained from Adobe
directly. Check. So it's all perfectly legal.

Later Adobe altered the terms to say the download
was intended only for people who had bought the
programs but had lost the media and key.

My guess is that they were offering them
to get new customers who might then want to
mortgage their house to buy the latest version.
Then it probably turned out that there were no new
suckers to be had. Only people who were interested
in Adobe products *if* they were free. So Adobe
backtracked and officially claimed that, "Yes, we're
giving this stuff away. But not really."


Thank you Mayayana for explaining the legalities which were already hashed
out in the adult newsgroup (Windows 10) and where I do appreciate that you
took the time and effort to explain this to Mr. Eric Stevens.

However ...

If this guy is from the Apple side, just explaining facts to them is like
explaining to a child why he can't have his hand in the cookie jar. It's
completely lost on these Apple children. Always. It's repeatable as the sun
rising every morning.

It doesn't matter what the facts are.
Just watch.

The Apple children, such as nospam has proven himself to be, will always
prove three points:
a. They have no intention to be helpful, ever, and,
b. They don't actually know the answer to the question, and,
c. They always just guess (where their success rate is that of the monkey)
Hence ...
They can only play their incessant silly semantic games.

Don't believe me.
Let them prove it themselves.
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Old March 31st 18, 04:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Ragnusen Ultred
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Am Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:16:49 -0400, schrieb Mayayana:
Those programs were actually put online by Adobe
some time ago. Adobe themselves provided the
keys. There were license terms with the downloads
that said they were only valid if obtained from Adobe
directly. Check. So it's all perfectly legal.

Later Adobe altered the terms to say the download
was intended only for people who had bought the
programs but had lost the media and key.

My guess is that they were offering them
to get new customers who might then want to
mortgage their house to buy the latest version.
Then it probably turned out that there were no new
suckers to be had. Only people who were interested
in Adobe products *if* they were free. So Adobe
backtracked and officially claimed that, "Yes, we're
giving this stuff away. But not really."


Thank you Mayayana for explaining the legalities which were already hashed
out in the adult newsgroup (Windows 10) and where I do appreciate that you
took the time and effort to explain this to Mr. Eric Stevens.


you two make a perfect pair.
both of you are completely delusional.
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Old March 31st 18, 04:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Am Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:22:21 -0400, schrieb Mayayana:

Don't try to bring me into this. You're
cross-posting to a Mac group for no good
reason, then repeatedly insulting them.
And that's after you already multi-posted
to numerous groups to answer one simple
question. No one owes it to you to be
helpful.


Fair enough.

But watch what happens the /instant/ the Apple users, like nospam is, get
involved.

Just watch.
  #27  
Old March 31st 18, 04:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Am Sat, 31 Mar 2018 11:42:57 -0400, schrieb nospam:

you two make a perfect pair.
both of you are completely delusional.


Notice you prove, in /every/ post the veracity of my statements.
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Old March 31st 18, 04:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Can Mac Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint with fonts?

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But watch what happens the /instant/ the Apple users, like nospam is, get
involved.


he exposes the true trolls, you and your new bff, mayayana.
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Old March 31st 18, 11:13 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-03-31 09:01:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 01:10:49 -0400, nospam
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In article , Ragnusen Ultred
wrote:

from the freely available Windows version of Adobe Illustrator.


illustrator is not free nor has it ever been free.


"freely available" does not mean that it's "free".

It may have been better if Ragnusen Ultred had written "readily
available".

you are pirating it.


Not necessarily.


If you're downloading the tweaked versions from Adobe without actually
owning a licence, then yes, you are pirating it. The instructions on
Aodbe's download page specifically say you have to already own a
licence.

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Old April 1st 18, 03:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Am Sat, 31 Mar 2018 11:46:18 -0400, schrieb nospam:

he exposes the true trolls, you and your new bff, mayayana.


While you, nospam, always prove in every post that...
1. You lack technical competency
2. Hence, you merely guess (scoring about how the monkeys do)
3. Worse, you purposefully post only with malice and ill intent.

Meanwhile, on the adult platform newsgroup, we made tremendous progress,
and have solved the problem, with this verbatim snippet simply being just
one examples of the solutions proposed.

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https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...uite-free.html
Last updated: January 14, 2013
Windows Serial number: 1130-1414-7569-4457-6613-5551
Developer: Adobe, License: Commercial OS: Windows File size: 1.5 GB
Installation:
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/...nstall_Win.pdf
Tutorial:
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/.../MLTI/VCS2.zip

In the CS2 incident, Adobe pulled the plug on their Activation Server.
This would have left legitimate customers with no means to re-install
the software when they wanted. This was still "buy to own" software
back in those days, and not rental software.

You would think that most customers would have registered their
purchase, and Adobe could mail some sort of details to each
customer, with a means of resolving the issue.

Instead, Adobe put up copies of the executable installers,
along with some sort of "generic" keys for each tool. People
started downloading both the license keys, and the executables,
who had not purchased the product originally. (Like this is a surprise.)

After a while, Adobe sent out a press release indicating this
wasn't some hidden intent. This wasn't "trial" software. And at that
point, the software wasn't their current version. It was an older version.

The presumption at the time was, the keys were cracked, and the
Activation Server really wasn't achieving anything. People who might
have been pirating the stuff, were probably getting hacked executables
and so on. But there isn't any additional information or background
story, as to why Adobe chose this route to solve the "legit customer"
problem with having an Activation Server turned off. The whole
episode was... pretty weird.

Sites continue, to this day, to present links to copies of that software.
Adobe might have required a user to set up an Adobe Account (just like
when you used to do a Trial with Adobe), to "gate" the download of those.
People who present copies today like TechSpot, do it so users don't have
to get an Adobe Account just to get the files.

There is a trick to installing it. Each EXE has an unpacker. The
first CD also includes an installer that starts right away.

You can unpack the software, anywhere you want. I put the unpacked
materials on C:\CS2 for example. When "1" unpacks, it creates
a folder "Adobe Creative CS2" or similar, and underneath that,
you might see one tool folder.

When you unpack 2,3,4 EXEs, you can copy the two or one or four
folders, and put them under C:\CS2\Adobe Creative CS2\ in parallel
with the tools on 1. This builds a folder with everything in it,
and the installer "stops asking for CD 2".

You might want to practice in a VM first, until you get the hang of
it.

Anyway, the purpose of the post, was to show that *some* representation
does open in Adobe Illustrator, if you pass a PDF.

The steps to post-process the work, to you or me don't seem onerous,
but the person actually doing the workflow will have their own
rules and methods of conducting business.

Generally, for embedded fonts, the intention is not to "carry" embedded
versions through multiple tools in a workflow. Any time a font needs
to be processed, the tool expects the full font to be available.
This "proves" the font is licensed for one thing, or that the
owner actually has a full copy of the font. The font itself may have
licensing bits, which indicate whether copies or embeds can be done

Full Font
|
Tool 1 Full Font
| |
+---- (embed font for ---- import --- Tool 2
print purposes) |
+--- embed subset...

That could be why the operator feels the need to "load" the
font for your "job". In the case of my LibreOffice experiment,
it was two fonts, because one font seems to be erroneously
referenced in the PDF.

People who do that sort of work, use "Font Managers". A Font
Manager may have folders with 10,000 fonts in it, and the
Font Manager loads only a subset into the system. This covers
situations where the system doesn't actually behave well if
there are 10,000 fonts in the system folder. I think I did a
test like that once, and the OS was borked well before getting
to a high number like that. So they might not "load" your
font in a conventional sense, but make it an entry in
the Font Manager which is loaded as a subset for the job.

Paul
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The PDF seems to work.

Here is a simulation.

1) Sample file made in LibreOffice Impress (the equivalent of PowerPoint).
I selected a paper size of 17"x11" and I don't know if I could
have selected a paper size that you wanted. In any case,
this is the PDF exported from LibreOffice. The fonts are embedded.

I didn't want to put the word "squirrel" at the top of the drawing,
and LibreOffice tries to embed LiberationSerif font for nothing.
I added the title "squirrel" and applied LibrationSerif font, so
it would have something to embed. This stopped one warning from
Acrobat Reader when I verified the document exported.

https://s17.postimg.org/hne85qcbj/ex...uirrel_pdf.gif

2) This is Illustrator CS2 pulling in the PDF.

https://s17.postimg.org/4yjxm1qrj/illus_CS2.gif

Illustrator complains about both fonts in this case, even
though they're embedded. But it proceeds anyway to convert
the font to outlines and it shows the control points as
being selected.

The operator would then have to create a CutContour where the
red box I put around the outside is located. That's still going
to cost you a "layout" charge, simply because the machine
cannot start the printing process, unless a CutContour is
defined. Illustrator has at least two kinds of data stored
inside it, while PDF has only one. The Illustrator in a way,
is a "dual representation".

There's no point in me saving out the Illustrator .ai file,
as it really wouldn't have any meaning (i.e. I don't have
any more steps that I can realistically simulate).

If you remember the CS2 incident, this is what I used for
the simulation, in a VM. You need four files from this page,
a copy of QuickTime 6.0.0 from oldversions, your squirrel4.pdf,
to do the very quick Illustrator test.

https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...uite-free.html

This test doesn't prove much of anything, except that the PDF
does pull into Illustrator. If you needed to "re-purpose" the
artwork while it was inside Illustrator, it might be quite
a challenge to do anything with it. It doesn't look like the
importation is "seamless", at least, it doesn't give that
impression so far. But for your purposes, it might not matter.

I got the idea to do the test, from here. I didn't need to
tick any boxes like "Convert All Text" or "Convert All Strokes"
and the tool seemed to do more or less what you wanted automatically.

http://blog.globalizationpartners.co...-are-lost.aspx

The edge of the font looks pretty weird, and I don't
know exactly how to describe how the font has been
converted. It doesn't look exactly like Bezier.

https://s17.postimg.org/ekijzkbf3/font_edges.gif

Paul

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