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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
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... In article , Sam Brown wrote: What a lot of irrelevant blather! nothing irrelevant about it. digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. I suspect he means there's not much in your previous post (about 35mm cameras etc) which addresses the points about focal length and field of view. it exactly addressed it. tl;dr there are multiple sensor sizes, so a lens with a given focal length can have different fields of view, even on the same camera. Are you sure? I'm not, so I took another look at your post and can't find a single relevant statement. Perhaps you can identify what you mean. This is what I saw: =================== On 23:43 27 Dec 2018, nospam wrote in : In article , Ken Hart wrote: A 35mm camera is a camera which uses 35mm movie film. These come is sveral different frame sizes using one or two movie frames. obsolete definition. There are quite a lot of people who would disagree with your characterization of "obsolete". A "35mm camera" is a camera that uses 35mm film- has been for many, many years, and will continue to be for many, many years. film is obsolete, as is your definition. Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. a '35mm camera', aka an slr, is now digital, and is compatible with nearly all lenses and accessories in a given system (except for the ones that started fresh, such as m43). Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. 50 year old nikon lenses work on modern nikon slr bodies. the old flashes also work, although only in manual or old school auto (no ttl). Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. those old lenses also work on non-nikon bodies with a suitable adapter, including canon, m43 and mirrorless. Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. winders and motor drives are obsolete, since there's nothing to wind and digital can shoot faster anyway. Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. A digital camera that looks and feels like a 35mm camera, is a "dSLR", or a "35mm form factor camera", or a "35mm-style digital camera". A "35mm camera" is a film camera. almost all cameras sold are digital, therefore the d is redundant. Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. i don't think the nikon f6 film slr (note the 'f') is even made anymore (not that it sold very many when it was). Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. nikon's digital slrs begin with 'd'. guess what that's for. Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. in other words, digital is the *default* and film is the *exception*. Irrelevant to focal length and field of view. ============================ |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
In article , Sam Brown
wrote: What a lot of irrelevant blather! nothing irrelevant about it. digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. I suspect he means there's not much in your previous post (about 35mm cameras etc) which addresses the points about focal length and field of view. it exactly addressed it. tl;dr there are multiple sensor sizes, so a lens with a given focal length can have different fields of view, even on the same camera. Are you sure? yes. I'm not, so I took another look at your post and can't find a single relevant statement. Perhaps you can identify what you mean. This is what I saw: previous posts directly addressed the field of view issue. someone wanted to argue about modern digital cameras (the topic under discussion) and obsolete film cameras, so i responded to that. |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 23:27:30 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: A 35mm camera is a camera which uses 35mm movie film. These come is sveral different frame sizes using one or two movie frames. obsolete definition. There are quite a lot of people who would disagree with your characterization of "obsolete". A "35mm camera" is a camera that uses 35mm film- has been for many, many years, and will continue to be for many, many years. film is obsolete, as is your definition. a '35mm camera', aka an slr, is now digital, and is compatible with nearly all lenses and accessories in a given system (except for the ones that started fresh, such as m43). 50 year old nikon lenses work on modern nikon slr bodies. the old flashes also work, although only in manual or old school auto (no ttl). those old lenses also work on non-nikon bodies with a suitable adapter, including canon, m43 and mirrorless. winders and motor drives are obsolete, since there's nothing to wind and digital can shoot faster anyway. A digital camera that looks and feels like a 35mm camera, is a "dSLR", or a "35mm form factor camera", or a "35mm-style digital camera". A "35mm camera" is a film camera. almost all cameras sold are digital, therefore the d is redundant. i don't think the nikon f6 film slr (note the 'f') is even made anymore (not that it sold very many when it was). nikon's digital slrs begin with 'd'. guess what that's for. in other words, digital is the *default* and film is the *exception*. that means that 'film' should be a prefix when referring to an old school camera and its absence means digital. Deal with it. that goes for you. What a lot of irrelevant blather! nothing irrelevant about it. digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. of course they can one example: https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-k-1 The K-1 combines the performance of a full frame 35mm digital camera with the unique PENTAX original features you love - all in a rugged, compact body. |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 19:36:24 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. of course they can one example: https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-k-1 The K-1 combines the performance of a full frame 35mm digital camera with the unique PENTAX original features you love - all in a rugged, compact body. Hmm "403: Access Forbidden - Your location (NZ) has been blacklisted." I wonder what lies behind that? In any case, an advertising blurb does not enable a digital camera to use 35mm film. The K-1 is not a film camera. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. of course they can one example: https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-k-1 The K-1 combines the performance of a full frame 35mm digital camera with the unique PENTAX original features you love - all in a rugged, compact body. Hmm "403: Access Forbidden - Your location (NZ) has been blacklisted." that's funny. apparently enough new zealanders are up to no good that the entire country has been blacklisted. perhaps it's time to move to a more civilized country. short of that, try nz.ricoh-imaging.com or start from their main page and find it, use a search engine or use a proxy from a non-blacklisted country. I wonder what lies behind that? what i quoted lies behind that (and more). In any case, an advertising blurb does not enable a digital camera to use 35mm film. The K-1 is not a film camera. it doesn't say it uses film or is a film camera. it says it's a 35mm digital camera. here's mo https://www.digitaltrends.com/photog...d-sensor-techn ology-mean-huge-leap-forward-image-quality/ During a recent presentation at a symposium in Hawaii, Sony showed off two different curved sensors, one for a full-frame 35mm digital camera, and a smaller one that could go into compact cameras or smartphones. https://www.adorama.com/alc/0014361/...nced-compact-d igital-cameras-for-holidays-2014 Adorama Price: $2,798 Overview: No, that price is no misprint, but look at what you get for all that money: The Sony DSC-RX1 is the world¹s first 35mm compact digital camera, with a small camera body that houses 24.3MP, 35mm-sized sensor. https://www.fordhouse.org/event/0915...shop-digital-c amera-101 Learn the ins and outs of digital photography, and how to get the most out of your DSLR camera. .... Equipment: € 35mm digital camera (able to put camera in manual mode) https://www.123rf.com/photo_27394951...gital-camera-o n-wooden-table-.html Stock Photo - Professional 35mm Digital Camera on Wooden Table. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutte...ious_shutter_l ag_times Digital Point and Shoot Advanced digital Point and Shoot Amateur 35mm film SLR Professional 35mm film SLR Professional digital rangefinder Professional 35mm digital SLR Professional 35mm film rangefinder https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/ey...tor-need-a-pho to-of-my-eye A basic 35mm digital camera may be used to document patients diagnosed with an external condition or disorder. |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
On 12/30/2018 7:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. of course they can one example: https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-k-1 The K-1 combines the performance of a full frame 35mm digital camera with the unique PENTAX original features you love - all in a rugged, compact body. Gotta agree. It was not that long ago when i could have purchased a digital back for my F3, from Kodak. IIRC it was only about $10,000. -- PeterN |
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On 12/30/2018 7:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. If you read the article you cite, it clearly states on the first page: "Take greatness to the next level with the first compact, full frame DSLR engineered by PENTAX for outstanding performance, operability and affordability." And further down it also states: "Designed to move in ways never before imagined is the new Flexible Tilt-Type LCD Monitor - a first for any DSLR camera.." If what you say is true, I wonder why it is called a "DSLR." My guess is that the copywriter did not consult you. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. of course they can one example: https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-k-1 The K-1 combines the performance of a full frame 35mm digital camera with the unique PENTAX original features you love - all in a rugged, compact body. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. If you read the article you cite, it clearly states on the first page: "Take greatness to the next level with the first compact, full frame DSLR engineered by PENTAX for outstanding performance, operability and affordability." as opposed to being engineered for mediocre performance, inoperability and unaffordable. And further down it also states: "Designed to move in ways never before imagined is the new Flexible Tilt-Type LCD Monitor - a first for any DSLR camera.." what if someone actually did imagine them? obviously someone had to, else it could not be designed that way. If what you say is true, I wonder why it is called a "DSLR." My guess is that the copywriter did not consult you. your guess is correct. i was not consulted. 'dslr' is still used, however, the d is redundant. |
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Does smartphone angle of view depend only on focal length?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:17:26 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: digital is now the default. film requires a modifier. 'camera' or 'slr' is digital. But Sam Brown's original post referred to a "35mm camera". No matter how much you continue to argue, the description '35mm camera' refers to the film size used by the camera. Such cameras cannot be digital. of course they can one example: https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/pentax-k-1 The K-1 combines the performance of a full frame 35mm digital camera with the unique PENTAX original features you love - all in a rugged, compact body. Hmm "403: Access Forbidden - Your location (NZ) has been blacklisted." that's funny. apparently enough new zealanders are up to no good that the entire country has been blacklisted. perhaps it's time to move to a more civilized country. short of that, try nz.ricoh-imaging.com or start from their main page and find it, use a search engine or use a proxy from a non-blacklisted country. I wonder what lies behind that? what i quoted lies behind that (and more). In any case, an advertising blurb does not enable a digital camera to use 35mm film. The K-1 is not a film camera. it doesn't say it uses film or is a film camera. it says it's a 35mm digital camera. here's mo https://www.digitaltrends.com/photog...d-sensor-techn ology-mean-huge-leap-forward-image-quality/ During a recent presentation at a symposium in Hawaii, Sony showed off two different curved sensors, one for a full-frame 35mm digital camera, and a smaller one that could go into compact cameras or smartphones. https://www.adorama.com/alc/0014361/...nced-compact-d igital-cameras-for-holidays-2014 Adorama Price: $2,798 Overview: No, that price is no misprint, but look at what you get for all that money: The Sony DSC-RX1 is the world¹s first 35mm compact digital camera, with a small camera body that houses 24.3MP, 35mm-sized sensor. https://www.fordhouse.org/event/0915...shop-digital-c amera-101 Learn the ins and outs of digital photography, and how to get the most out of your DSLR camera. ... Equipment: € 35mm digital camera (able to put camera in manual mode) https://www.123rf.com/photo_27394951...gital-camera-o n-wooden-table-.html Stock Photo - Professional 35mm Digital Camera on Wooden Table. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutte...ious_shutter_l ag_times Digital Point and Shoot Advanced digital Point and Shoot Amateur 35mm film SLR Professional 35mm film SLR Professional digital rangefinder Professional 35mm digital SLR Professional 35mm film rangefinder https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/ey...tor-need-a-pho to-of-my-eye A basic 35mm digital camera may be used to document patients diagnosed with an external condition or disorder. And global warming is put down to carbon in the atmosphere. And you live in the US do you not? Misuse of language does not make it correct. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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