Drones banned over parts of London during Dear Leader's visit

On 4/19/2016 12:16 PM, RichA wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36083916

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/europe/london-heathrow-drone-strikes-plane/

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Best regards,

Neil

In article , Neil
wrote:

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

the pilot *thinks* it was a drone.

regardless, the plane landed safely and nobody was injured. the plane
was inspected and cleared for its next flight, which means there was no
damage.

it's a complete non-issue.

On 4/19/2016 2:48 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil
wrote:

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

the pilot *thinks* it was a drone.

There aren't many airborne things that hit a plane that a pilot can't
make a reasonable guess about. He can't *confirm it*, for obvious reasons.

regardless, the plane landed safely and nobody was injured. the plane
was inspected and cleared for its next flight, which means there was no
damage.

it's a complete non-issue.

Spoken like a true non-pilot. Those of us who *are* pilots (yes, I am
one) see it a bit differently.

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Best regards,

Neil

In article , Neil
wrote:


Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

the pilot *thinks* it was a drone.

There aren't many airborne things that hit a plane that a pilot can't
make a reasonable guess about. He can't *confirm it*, for obvious reasons.

until it's confirmed, it's merely speculation.

regardless, the plane landed safely and nobody was injured. the plane
was inspected and cleared for its next flight, which means there was no
damage.

it's a complete non-issue.

Spoken like a true non-pilot. Those of us who *are* pilots (yes, I am
one) see it a bit differently.

the facts don't agree with you.

http://www.newsweek.com/greater-thre...t-drones-36270
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Each year since 1990, the FAA compiles data on the number of
reported aircraft strikes of wildlife. In 2014, planes hit 13,759
animals, most of which, according to its list of species, are birds.
So far in 2015, planes have hit 1,417 animals into April.

so far in 2016 *and* all of 2015, planes *might* have hit 1 drone.
that's *it*. not only that, but the plane was not damaged and took to
flight just hours later. that makes it a non-issue by definition.

bird strikes and lasers pose a *much* greater danger than drones.

statistically, someone is far more likely to be injured or killed
driving to/from the airport than in a plane, no matter what the cause
of the crash is.

drones make for good clickbait though.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:53:58 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:43:43 UTC-4, Neil wrote:
On 4/19/2016 12:16 PM, RichA wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36083916

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/europe/london-heathrow-drone-strikes-plane/

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Best regards,

Neil

So what? Going to eradicate all geese because it happens with them all the frigging time.

Not to mention Griffon Vultures which according to
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...es-nea-334523/
have been involved in a bird strike at 37,000 ft.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/980926/
does not say what kind of birds were seen at 54,000 ft. It does say
that "birdstrike events are also believed to be under-reported by
about 80%".
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:37:48 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 4/19/2016 2:48 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil
wrote:

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

the pilot *thinks* it was a drone.

There aren't many airborne things that hit a plane that a pilot can't
make a reasonable guess about. He can't *confirm it*, for obvious reasons.

regardless, the plane landed safely and nobody was injured. the plane
was inspected and cleared for its next flight, which means there was no
damage.

it's a complete non-issue.

Spoken like a true non-pilot. Those of us who *are* pilots (yes, I am
one) see it a bit differently.


As I hope would anyone who "takes your safety seriously". Just need
someone to step up to the mark. The thought of a lump of metal
clanging around the fan blades and being batted into any general
direction is not a pretty one.

And before anyone mentions birds - they generally get chopped up and
bones dont get deflected through pipes, casings and fuselages.

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AnthonyL

On 2016-04-20 11:07:01 +0000, lid (AnthonyL) said:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:37:48 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 4/19/2016 2:48 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil
wrote:

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

the pilot *thinks* it was a drone.

There aren't many airborne things that hit a plane that a pilot can't
make a reasonable guess about. He can't *confirm it*, for obvious reasons.

regardless, the plane landed safely and nobody was injured. the plane
was inspected and cleared for its next flight, which means there was no
damage.

it's a complete non-issue.

Spoken like a true non-pilot. Those of us who *are* pilots (yes, I am
one) see it a bit differently.


As I hope would anyone who "takes your safety seriously". Just need
someone to step up to the mark. The thought of a lump of metal
clanging around the fan blades and being batted into any general
direction is not a pretty one.

And before anyone mentions birds - they generally get chopped up and
bones dont get deflected through pipes, casings and fuselages.

Only if they are ingested by an engine. Bird strikes can hit and damage
fuselage, cockpit, leading edges and other control surfaces.
http://www.c141heaven.info/dotcom/65/65-0229/image025.jpg
http://english4aviation.pbworks.com/f/birdstrike2.jpg
http://english4aviation.pbworks.com/f/bird_strike.jpg
http://www.metronews.ca/content/dam/thestar/2012/04/26/after-birds-strike-2-planes-senator-proposes-allowing-goose-kills-at-ny-wildlife-refuge.jpg
https://disciplesofflight.com/scariest-bird-strike/
http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/142708.jpg
http://www.campbells.org/Airplanes/airplaneGooseMidAir2.jpg

With

that sort of damage in mind, I am sure that a strike by one of today's
larger drones, especially if it had a substantial camera load, could
cause similar damage, with the possibility of bringing down an aircraft.


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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2016-04-20 12:44:46 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2016-04-20 11:07:01 +0000, lid (AnthonyL) said:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:37:48 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 4/19/2016 2:48 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil
wrote:

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

the pilot *thinks* it was a drone.

There aren't many airborne things that hit a plane that a pilot can't
make a reasonable guess about. He can't *confirm it*, for obvious reasons.

regardless, the plane landed safely and nobody was injured. the plane
was inspected and cleared for its next flight, which means there was no
damage.

it's a complete non-issue.

Spoken like a true non-pilot. Those of us who *are* pilots (yes, I am
one) see it a bit differently.


As I hope would anyone who "takes your safety seriously". Just need
someone to step up to the mark. The thought of a lump of metal
clanging around the fan blades and being batted into any general
direction is not a pretty one.

And before anyone mentions birds - they generally get chopped up and
bones dont get deflected through pipes, casings and fuselages.

Only if they are ingested by an engine. Bird strikes can hit and damage
fuselage, cockpit, leading edges and other control surfaces.
http://www.c141heaven.info/dotcom/65/65-0229/image025.jpg
http://english4aviation.pbworks.com/f/birdstrike2.jpg
http://english4aviation.pbworks.com/f/bird_strike.jpg
http://www.metronews.ca/content/dam/thestar/2012/04/26/after-birds-strike-2-planes-senator-proposes-allowing-goose-kills-at-ny-wildlife-refuge.jpg
https://disciplesofflight.com/scariest-bird-strike/
http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/142708.jpg
http://www.campbells.org/Airplanes/airplaneGooseMidAir2.jpg

With
that

sort of damage in mind, I am sure that a strike by one of today's
larger drones, especially if it had a substantial camera load, could
cause similar damage, with the possibility of bringing down an aircraft.

....and bird strikes can get messy inside the cockpit.
http://www.airsafe.com/birds/Image7.jpg

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 4/19/2016 7:53 PM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:43:43 UTC-4, Neil wrote:
On 4/19/2016 12:16 PM, RichA wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36083916

Did you miss yesterday's news that a drone hit a passenger plane while
landing at Heathrow?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/europe/london-heathrow-drone-strikes-plane/

--
Best regards,

Neil

So what? Going to eradicate all geese because it happens with them all the frigging time.

Birds are a natural part of the environment, so it is difficult to avoid
them 100% of the time. Yet, the number of bird hits is a very small
percentage of the number of flights. There is no justifiable reason to
introduce drones into controlled airspace because the potential for
damage is much greater than with birds.

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Best regards,

Neil

In article , Neil
wrote:

So what? Going to eradicate all geese because it happens with them all the
frigging time.

Birds are a natural part of the environment, so it is difficult to avoid
them 100% of the time. Yet, the number of bird hits is a very small
percentage of the number of flights.

drones are even smaller number and have not caused any crashes.

There is no justifiable reason to
introduce drones into controlled airspace because the potential for
damage is much greater than with birds.

that depends on the size of the drone, but regardless, you can't stop
someone from flying a drone in controlled airspace. what needs to
happen is mandatory geofencing, but that'll never happen.