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In message m, David
Nebenzahl writes
Chris Hills spake thus:

It is irrelevant as the whole world is metric apart from *some parts*
of the USA.

Huh? Where are the "other parts" of the US that have gone metric? I
know of none. Please enlighten me.

Universities and professional institutes when dealing with the rest of
the world. Multinational companies in electronics and technology.
Government when dealing internationally.

To come back to the original questions on paper the whole world uses
A4 etc including the parts of the US that need to work internationally.

I challenge you to find any business in the US, any office, that
*doesn't* use 8-1/2" x 11" paper in their office printers, for
correspondence, billing, etc. I have *never* seen anyone here who uses
A4. It's a virtually unknown paper size here. Where are you getting
your information?

The people In the US I deal with professionally

It is only time before the fits in with the rest of the world.

Maybe.

Fits in or dies.

BTW I did hear that just after the US announced that it was building
a Communist-Berlin style Iron Curtain wall between the US and Mexico
the Canadians started surveying for a wall on their southern border
too. :-)

They ought to, if they're smart.

So that should isolate the USA from the rest of the world.... I wonder
if they will notice at first.

Just for the record, I share your antipathy for this "separation
barrier", which is just as wrong-headed as the Berlin Wall, or, more
pointedly, the Israeli wall around the Occupied Territories. But that's
a separate rant for another day.

I agree but I thought the Israeli wall might start another pointless
argument so I went for Berlin.


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Chris Hills spake thus:

In message m, David
Nebenzahl writes

Chris Hills spake thus:

It is irrelevant as the whole world is metric apart from *some parts*
of the USA.

Huh? Where are the "other parts" of the US that have gone metric? I
know of none. Please enlighten me.

Universities and professional institutes when dealing with the rest of
the world. Multinational companies in electronics and technology.
Government when dealing internationally.

Are you sure about that? I've printed stuff for universities (or at
least one university, a little place you might have heard of called the
University of California at Berkeley), and *all* of it was using
standard U.S. sizes. No A4 or A-anything else for that matter.

Do you mean to say that when they send correspondence to, say, Oxford,
they use their special stash of A4 paper? I don't think so.


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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:49:23 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:


Huh? Where are the "other parts" of the US that have gone metric? I know
of none. Please enlighten me.

Probably means the parts of America that need precision and
international compatibility. I would hazard a guess that this would
include the auto makers, scientific institutions and most "high tech"
companies. As opposed to the US military machine which provides for
many engineering companies income and they still use the less precise
and antiquated systems.


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Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:24:29 -0500, "rafe b" wrote:

A4 is "unknown" to most Americans because Americans
choose to be ignorant about the rest of the world.

Yes, it's quite deliberate and quite pathetic.

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:51:35 -0500, "rafe b" wrote:

And I might be wrong but aren't you more than a little untraditional ?


I might take that as a compliment but I doubt you
meant it as such. What exactly do you mean by
that, anyway?

LOL ! Please take it as a compliment as it was meant as such. I look
around me at the "traditionalists" and my mind simply reels in
disbelief. I'm surrounded by Bush-hogs who are simply the most
stubborn and pathetic bunch I have ever had to contend with.

And yes, I'm sure you're right -- Dubya will surely
get his cut (of your inheritance) long before I do.

As will every politico on "The Hill" along with the warmongers and
contractors like Haliburton.

I plan to squander mine on digital gear. The plan
is already well underway.

Ouch ! Well I'm still saving up for a Canham.

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

"John" wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:24:29 -0500, "rafe b" wrote:

A4 is "unknown" to most Americans because Americans
choose to be ignorant about the rest of the world.

Yes, it's quite deliberate and quite pathetic.


It's not only deliberate but lots of Americans
take it as a point of pride. Recall that our
current.. cough... gag... president had hardly
ever traveled outside the USA before being
uh... err... appointed to that office.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

In message m, David
Nebenzahl writes
Chris Hills spake thus:

In message m,
David Nebenzahl writes

Chris Hills spake thus:

It is irrelevant as the whole world is metric apart from *some
parts* of the USA.

Huh? Where are the "other parts" of the US that have gone metric? I
know of none. Please enlighten me.
Universities and professional institutes when dealing with the rest
of the world. Multinational companies in electronics and technology.
Government when dealing internationally.

Are you sure about that? I've printed stuff for universities (or at
least one university, a little place you might have heard of called the
University of California at Berkeley), and *all* of it was using
standard U.S. sizes. No A4 or A-anything else for that matter.

Do you mean to say that when they send correspondence to, say, Oxford,
they use their special stash of A4 paper? I don't think so.


When dealing with institutes, professional bodies and conferences
outside the US they will have to use A4. Other Americans in this
discussion have said that A4 is used in the US for international work.

Of course if you are printing locally it will be in local sizes. They
probably use a more professional printer for the important international
stuff.


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In message , John
writes
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:49:23 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:


Huh? Where are the "other parts" of the US that have gone metric? I know
of none. Please enlighten me.

Probably means the parts of America that need precision and
international compatibility. I would hazard a guess that this would
include the auto makers, scientific institutions and most "high tech"
companies. As opposed to the US military machine which provides for
many engineering companies income and they still use the less precise
and antiquated systems.


Correct. A lot of my work is in automotive electronics and it is all in
A4. I recall, some years ago a large US company sent out a whole lot of
stuff in some US paper size and everyone it was sent to around the world
asked for it in A4. They had to re do the lot.

I had the same problem with a small Us technology company. They wanted
to do a 4 page flyer for use all over the place. So they did it on A3
paper after it was explained to them that the US paper size would not
fit the storage racks and display rack anywhere else in the world.

Adapt or die. It is that simple.


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Chris Hills wrote:
I had the same problem with a small Us technology company. They wanted
to do a 4 page flyer for use all over the place. So they did it on A3
paper after it was explained to them that the US paper size would not
fit the storage racks and display rack anywhere else in the world.

Adapt or die. It is that simple.

The right adaption is to produce things with margins so it can be printed
locally on on whatever paper is available. This would be letter hight and
A4 width.

Financialy it does not make a lot of sense though, it's cheaper to
print something in China and ship it via boat than to print it locally
unless there are high import duties.

Letter paper is easily available in any large city just about everywhere.
The U.S. government allows many forms to be downloaded as PDF files and
printed locally, but requires them to be printed on letter paper.

Any company that does business with a company in the U.S., the U.S. government,
etc, uses letter paper and keeps copies in letter sized files.

Computer printers and copy machinces no longer care, the feed trays
are "universal".

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In message , Geoffrey S.
Mendelson writes
Chris Hills wrote:
I had the same problem with a small Us technology company. They wanted
to do a 4 page flyer for use all over the place. So they did it on A3
paper after it was explained to them that the US paper size would not
fit the storage racks and display rack anywhere else in the world.

Adapt or die. It is that simple.

The right adaption is to produce things with margins so it can be printed
locally on on whatever paper is available. This would be letter hight and
A4 width.

No. As 95% of the world uses the A series not just A4 the parts of the
US that don't use A4 should move to it. By changing the height of the
A4 will mean changes in A0 to A6 and the whole world changing

The obvious solution is for the parts of the US that are different to
the rest of the world to change their margins so that the US stuff will
work with the A4 the rest of the world uses.

Financialy it does not make a lot of sense though, it's cheaper to
print something in China and ship it via boat than to print it locally
unless there are high import duties.

And the rest of the world including china uses the A series

Letter paper is easily available in any large city just about everywhere.

Only in the USA. out side the US it is IMPOSSIBLE to get. However A4 is
available EVERYWHERE in the world including in the USA. Because it is
the world wide standard most printers in tjhe US can get it and most
large stationers can also get it.

The U.S. government allows many forms to be downloaded as PDF files and
printed locally, but requires them to be printed on letter paper.

So format them so they will fit either A4 or the local US size.

Any company that does business with a company in the U.S., the U.S. government,
etc, uses letter paper and keeps copies in letter sized files.

Nope.... For international stuff it is all A4. The US government also
uses A4 for international work.

Computer printers and copy machinces no longer care, the feed trays
are "universal".

So what. The universal paper sizes are the ISO A series. There will
come a time when printer manufacturers won't bother with catering for
the no-standard US sizes. Parts of the US use the A series anyway.


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